Harlepolis said: PFunkjazz said: I'm a bit of a SF geek and dig his science-fiction roles (INDEPENDENCE DAY, I, ROBOT, MIBs (but his serious ACTOR roles are either over-the top (PURSUIT OF HAPPYNESS) or horribly miscast (ALI...too skinny)! His recent I AM LEGEND is aMAJOR star turn!! I thoroughly dug that flick!!!! . That Ali movie is a 2-hours cringe special I can't blame Spike Lee for snubbing the whole thing. I actually couldn't watch Ali halfway through, lol. I watch "Training Day" with Denzel (the one he finally won the Oscar for Best Actor on) and I can see WHY they gave it to Denzel, lol. [Edited 1/6/08 14:45pm] | |
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Timmy84 said: Harlepolis said: That Ali movie is a 2-hours cringe special I can't blame Spike Lee for snubbing the whole thing. and I can see WHY they gave it to Denzel, lol. I can't He played Malcolm X and Hurricane, mofo got snubbed. But he played a delinquent corrupted cop taken down by a *suprice suprice* a good white cop, and he gets an Oscar for it. GTFOH with that bullshit. And don't get me started on "American Gangster". Phonywood works in a mysterious stanky way, I tell ya | |
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Harlepolis said: Timmy84 said: and I can see WHY they gave it to Denzel, lol. I can't He played Malcolm X and Hurricane, mofo got snubbed. But he played a delinquent corrupted cop taken down by a *suprice suprice* a good white cop, and he gets an Oscar for it. GTFOH with that bullshit. And don't get me started on "American Gangster". Phonywood works in a mysterious stanky way, I tell ya True, it just shows that we don't get attention unless we do exactly how they think we act, then all of a sudden we get "praise". | |
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Timmy84, I got a question! Who was 'Marty Madison' in Dreamgirls supposed to be in real life? | |
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DANGEROUSx said: Timmy84, I got a question! Who was 'Marty Madison' in Dreamgirls supposed to be in real life?
Hmm, I have no idea at the moment. I wanted to say Harvey Fuqua but he worked with Berry Gordy in Motown so I don't know. | |
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Timmy84 said: DANGEROUSx said: Timmy84, I got a question! Who was 'Marty Madison' in Dreamgirls supposed to be in real life?
Hmm, I have no idea at the moment. I wanted to say Harvey Fuqua but he worked with Berry Gordy in Motown so I don't know. Thanks anyway | |
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Harlepolis said: Timmy84 said: and I can see WHY they gave it to Denzel, lol. I can't He played Malcolm X and Hurricane, mofo got snubbed. But he played a delinquent corrupted cop taken down by a *suprice suprice* a good white cop, and he gets an Oscar for it. GTFOH with that bullshit. And don't get me started on "American Gangster". Phonywood works in a mysterious stanky way, I tell ya I didn't really dig Malcolm because there was too much of Spike Lee's ego in it. Denzil put forth a great performance, but the movie needed a good 25 minutes of editing. Yet and still, Denzil's portrayal of Hurricane Carter was superb; probably his best role to date test | |
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Harlepolis said: a delinquent corrupted cop taken down by a *suprice suprice* a good white cop, and he gets an Oscar for it. GTFOH with that bullshit. And don't get me started on "American Gangster"
Well, at least AG was reality. test | |
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PFunkjazz said: DANGEROUSx said: Yeah Will Smith should stick to acting.. I'm a bit of a SF geek and dig his science-fiction roles (INDEPENDENCE DAY, I, ROBOT, MIBs (but his serious ACTOR roles are either over-the top (PURSUIT OF HAPPYNESS) or horribly miscast (ALI...too skinny)! His recent I AM LEGEND is aMAJOR star turn!! I thoroughly dug that flick!!!! . I keep forgetting that you like SF so much. I am Legend was good, but was light on the SF stuff (much to my disappointment). Make sure you pick up the new Blade Runner release. Good stuff! Philip K Dick is one of my fave authors. At any rate, I expected I would really dislike Beyonce in Dreamgirls, but honestly? I thought she was pretty good. Not fantastic, and she was bad in a few spots, but I went with it and thought she brought some presence to the role. | |
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Look at the performance and not what the movie was about. Al Paciano's character is a monster in "Godfather" but his performance is flawless.
Should not be any different for Denzel. ----- Harlepolis said: Timmy84 said: and I can see WHY they gave it to Denzel, lol. I can't He played Malcolm X and Hurricane, mofo got snubbed. But he played a delinquent corrupted cop taken down by a *suprice suprice* a good white cop, and he gets an Oscar for it. GTFOH with that bullshit. And don't get me started on "American Gangster". Phonywood works in a mysterious stanky way, I tell ya | |
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PFunkjazz said: Harlepolis said: a delinquent corrupted cop taken down by a *suprice suprice* a good white cop, and he gets an Oscar for it. GTFOH with that bullshit. And don't get me started on "American Gangster"
Well, at least AG was reality. All I see is another typical "Black pimp taken down by a good white cop" tag. Clearly made for white audience and how they relate to movies. I'm not dismissing ANY of the roles mentioned. I'm just sick of the glamorization of "gangsters and drugs" and the whole re-hashed charade. These roles and movies are what the middle class white people see US through, they're more comfortable seeing us as pimps, whores and dope fiends instead of "REAL" leaders. Thats why Malcolm X' movies tanked. And thats why Denzel's recent movie The Great Debaters gets the cold shoulder too Have some balance, but Phonywood has a tendency of emphasizing the negative when it comes to black people. As for Malcolm's movie. There're some biased moments from Spike's behalf and some misinterpretations, some outright IMPORTANT details were cut from the movie like Malcom's transformation and radical change after his pilgrimage, but I'll give the movie credit for making many youngsters like me at the time to go back, read the book and look deeper past the Malcolm X character,,,as opposed to just sporting an "X" shirt or cap since it was all the rage back then. [Edited 1/6/08 10:31am] | |
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RipHer2Shreds said:[quote] PFunkjazz said: I keep forgetting that you like SF so much. I am Legend was good, but was light on the SF stuff (much to my disappointment). Make sure you pick up the new Blade Runner release. Good stuff! Philip K Dick is one of my fave authors. Actually it was perfectly "on point", if your perspective is how science is used to solve the problem presented in the plot. Here we have an established research scientist who actually uses the scientific method and logic to solve the problemn of a biochemical miracle gone awry. There weren't any aliens from outer space, miracle visitations from supreme beings or super-tech weapons. Just a dedicated labcoat tech trying to survive long enough to save humanity. PKD is definitely a good read. He still comes off as the best of the "old fogey writers of the 50s/60s". Right now I'm totally immersed in Walter Mosley's writing, so I'll probably get back into Dick (damn that sounds gay!) late next year. I hear the family has some projects forthcoming that will benefit his estate more than H'wood. AG gets praise from me. I tend to dig Ridley Scott's movies, so I want the BR Director's Cut. test | |
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PFunkjazz said: Actually it was perfectly "on point", if your perspective is how science is used to solve the problem presented in the plot.
That's my preferred brand of SF. It's lacking from a lot of today's stuff in the genre. It kills me when people refer to stuff like Transformers as SF. Fun enough film, but no...it's action. Mosley's new to me. I'll look him up. | |
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RipHer2Shreds said: At any rate, I expected I would really dislike Beyonce in Dreamgirls, but honestly? I thought she was pretty good. Not fantastic, and she was bad in a few spots, but I went with it and thought she brought some presence to the role.
To get back on topic, we're talking about a musical, where the narrative flow is from songset to songset. In this genre, I don't expect many dramatic turns in dialog: just stay in key. [Edited 1/6/08 10:46am] test | |
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RipHer2Shreds said: PFunkjazz said: Actually it was perfectly "on point", if your perspective is how science is used to solve the problem presented in the plot.
That's my preferred brand of SF. It's lacking from a lot of today's stuff in the genre. It kills me when people refer to stuff like Transformers as SF. Fun enough film, but no...it's action. Mosley's new to me. I'll look him up. Remember DEVIL IN A BLUE DRESS with Denzil? So-so for a movie (Mosley's preference was for Danny Glover who has a little "ruffer" edge than Denzil). This is part of his Easy Rawlins detective series. Mosley creates heroic black males that know the streets, but aren't tainted by them. He is quite prolific with SF, contemporary fiction and an existential porno novel. http://www.hachettebookgr...y/bio.html test | |
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i totally agree. | |
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PFunkjazz said: RipHer2Shreds said: That's my preferred brand of SF. It's lacking from a lot of today's stuff in the genre. It kills me when people refer to stuff like Transformers as SF. Fun enough film, but no...it's action. Mosley's new to me. I'll look him up. Remember DEVIL IN A BLUE DRESS with Denzil? So-so for a movie (Mosley's preference was for Danny Glover who has a little "ruffer" edge than Denzil). This is part of his Easy Rawlins detective series. Mosley creates heroic black males that know the streets, but aren't tainted by them. He is quite prolific with SF, contemporary fiction and an existential porno novel. http://www.hachettebookgr...y/bio.html Simply put, truthfuly stated; I love Mr.Walter Mosley | |
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Harlepolis said: glamorization of "gangsters and drugs" and the whole re-hashed charade.
Speaking of which, THE WIRE starts up tonight on HBO. http://www.hbo.com/thewir...main_image One of television's most critically acclaimed programs, the Peabody Award-winning drama series 'The Wire' continues to challenge viewers with a "cop show" unlike anything on air.
The fifth and final season of 'The Wire' centers on the media's role in addressing - or failing to address - the fundamental political, economic and social realities depicted over the course of the series, while also resolving storylines of the numerous characters woven throughout the narrative arc of the show. Explains series creator David Simon, "It made sense to finish 'The Wire' with this reflection on the state of the media, as all the other attendant problems of the American city depicted in the previous four seasons will not be solved until the depth and range of those problems is first acknowledged. And that won't happen without an intelligent, aggressive and well-funded press." This season of 'The Wire' is based in large part on Simon's experiences in 13 years at The Baltimore Sun. Simon decries recent trends in the newspaper industry that have conspired to make high-end journalism vulnerable: out-of-town chain ownership, an economic climate in which the share price of media companies matters more to industry leaders than the product itself, and a newsroom culture in which prizes, personal ambition and the cult of the "impact" story has replaced consistent and detailed coverage of complex issues as the primary goal. The first season of 'The Wire' (2002) concentrated on the often-futile efforts of police to infiltrate a West Baltimore drug ring headed by Avon Barksdale and his lieutenant, Stringer Bell. In Seasons Two and Three, as the Barksdale investigation escalated, new storylines involving pressures on the working class and the city's political leadership were introduced. Season Four focused on the stories of several young boys in the public school system, struggling with problems at home and the lure of the corner - set against the rise of a new drug empire in West Baltimore and a new Mayor in City Hall. Returning cast regulars from the first four seasons of 'The Wire' include Dominic West, Sonja Sohn, Lance Reddick, Wendell Pierce, Deirdre Lovejoy, Clarke Peters, Reg E. Cathey, Domenick Lombardozzi, Seth Gilliam, Aidan Gillen, Jamie Hector, Michael Kenneth Williams, John Doman, Andre Royo, Corey Parker Robinson, Tristan Wilds, Gbenga Akinnagbe, Jermaine Crawford and Isiah Whitlock, Jr. New cast regulars this season include Clark Johnson ('Homicide: Life on the Street') as city editor Augustus "Gus" Haynes, Tom McCarthy ('Year of the Dog') as reporter Scott Templeton, Michelle Paress as reporter Alma Gutierrez, Neal Huff ('Michael Clayton') as Michael Steintorf, Mayor Carcetti's chief of staff, and Michael Kostroff ('The Closer') as attorney Maury Levy. Supporting cast members this season include Steve Earle, Frankie Faison, Anwan Glover, Method Man, Felicia "Snoop" Pearson and Amy Ryan. Among the directors this season are series veterans Dan Attias, Joe Chappelle, Ernest Dickerson, Agnieszka Holland, Seith Mann, Anthony Hemingway and Clark Johnson (who directed the first episode of 'The Wire,' and also directs its final episode). New directors this season include the husband and wife team of Joy Kecken & Scott Kecken and series regular Dominic West, in his directorial debut. The writing staff of 'The Wire' includes David Simon, who penned two books of narrative nonfiction, 'Homicide: A Year on the Killing Streets,' which inspired the hit series 'Homicide: Life on the Street,' and 'The Corner: A Year in the Life of an Inner-City Neighborhood,' which inspired the Emmy(R)-winning HBO miniseries 'The Corner'; Ed Burns, a former Baltimore police detective and Baltimore city public school teacher, who coauthored the book 'The Corner' with Simon; William F. Zorzi, a former political writer and editor for the Baltimore Sun; and Chris Collins, an up-and-coming talent who served as staff writer last season and also wrote the award-winning documentary 'Disarm.' Also writing for the series this season are novelists Dennis Lehane ('Gone Baby Gone,' 'Mystic River'), George Pelecanos ('Hard Revolution,' 'Right as Rain') and Richard Price ('Lush Life,' 'Clockers'), as well as TV veteran David Mills, who was one of the writers and executive producers on 'The Corner,' and a writer for 'NYPD Blue' and 'Homicide: Life on the Street.' 'The Wire' was created by David Simon; executive producers, David Simon and Nina Kostroff Noble; co-executive producers, Joe Chappelle and Ed Burns; producers, Karen Thorson and George Pelecanos. test | |
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Timmy84 said: Harlepolis said: That Ali movie is a 2-hours cringe special I can't blame Spike Lee for snubbing the whole thing. I actually couldn't watch Ali halfway through, lol. I watch "Training Day" with Denzel (the one he finally won the Oscar on) and I can see WHY they gave it to Denzel, lol. I think you mean he finally won his second oscar. He won one in 1989 for Glory, too. | |
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Lovesexy82 said: Timmy84 said: I actually couldn't watch Ali halfway through, lol. I watch "Training Day" with Denzel (the one he finally won the Oscar on) and I can see WHY they gave it to Denzel, lol. I think you mean he finally won his second oscar. He won one in 1989 for Glory, too. Ha, I should've worded it for BEST ACTOR. | |
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Not even Jen Hudson's extreme rackage would make me sit through that bullshit movie. | |
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Timmy84 said: Lovesexy82 said: I think you mean he finally won his second oscar. He won one in 1989 for Glory, too. Ha, I should've worded it for BEST ACTOR. are you slipping Timmy??? I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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missfee said: Timmy84 said: Ha, I should've worded it for BEST ACTOR. are you slipping Timmy??? Nope, lol. I just said it out of the blue. | |
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Timmy84 said: missfee said: are you slipping Timmy??? Nope, lol. I just said it out of the blue. sure tell me anything I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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missfee said: Timmy84 said: Nope, lol. I just said it out of the blue. sure tell me anything I edited it. | |
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Harlepolis said: Timmy84 said: and I can see WHY they gave it to Denzel, lol. I can't He played Malcolm X and Hurricane, mofo got snubbed. But he played a delinquent corrupted cop taken down by a *suprice suprice* a good white cop, and he gets an Oscar for it. GTFOH with that bullshit. And don't get me started on "American Gangster". Phonywood works in a mysterious stanky way, I tell ya There's no denying that Hollywood has its own biases like any other business. However, they also have a long history of bigotry and racism. I gotta tell ya, Harle, I actually think they gave him the Oscar for Training Day because it was the best performance that year. He was very good in the role, and people were talking Oscar right from the start. It was a role that was written to be grand and over-the top, and he brought it to life brilliantly, be the character inherently good or bad. Of course, you could make a valid argument that he was snubbed for Hurricane or Malcolm X. Unfortunately for him, in 1998 he was nominated against Al Pacino for Scent of a Woman. Pacino, previous to that year, had been nominated 6 times without a win. Oscar has their favorites, but they also love to give make-up awards. Many people think that was why Pacino won that year. Sometimes they get it wrong. Sometimes they do get it right, and I think that was the case for Washington's Best Actor win for Training Day. | |
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