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PrintableCloudbuster said: How can Michael's influence be over when he's influencing the younger artists of today?
That's a good point! In addition to Usher,Ginuwine and Justin Timberlake,there is a dance song out right now,and it sounds like a MJ song all the way.It's called "I'm Gonna Get Through This",but I can't recall who sings it. And let's not forget Alien Ant Farm's successful cover of "Smooth Criminal" last year.Mike's influence over this generation of artists cannot be denied. | |
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Well, i ain't cussing you Davideye 'cos u seem like a genuine dude but it was in your post (just above) that u said Michael's influence was over. That's one major contradiction. You tired,man? | |
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Cloudbuster said: Well, i ain't cussing you Davideye 'cos u seem like a genuine dude but it was in your post (just above) that u said Michael's influence was over. That's one major contradiction. You tired,man?
Yeah,too many beers 
I was trying to agree "a little" with Moonbeam,so he wouldn't think I was attacking him or anything...lol...but he knows how I feel on this subject,so he will overlook ny contradictions. | |
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Yeah, funny how we take insults about our favourite artists so personally. I do my best to remain neutral about such things but sometimes...lol!
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DavidEye said: Cloudbuster said: How can Michael's influence be over when he's influencing the younger artists of today?
That's a good point! In addition to Usher,Ginuwine and Justin Timberlake,there is a dance song out right now,and it sounds like a MJ song all the way.It's called "I'm Gonna Get Through This",but I can't recall who sings it. Danniel Beddingfield, the boy sucks. | |
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Darren Hayes' vocals on 'insatiable'. I thought this was Mike briefly.Michael is influencing lots of artists.
Janet? | |
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Thecherryloon said: Darren Hayes' vocals on 'insatiable'. I thought this was Mike briefly.Michael is influencing lots of artists.
Janet? Janet = Britney Spears, Samantha Mumba, J-Lo, Aguilera... MJ brought us Timberlake, Usher, Ginuwine, Darren Hayes... Hmmm we have a lot to thank them for right there.  | |
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I think they're both great for their work in the past, and some of it in the present too. I don't think either one is as consistent now as they were back in the day. If I had to choose for back then, it would probably be Michael, but just by a fake nose!
Rhythm Nation is so freakin great, but the mega successful Thriller, Bad, Dangerous triumverate can't be denied in my book. As for today, it's close too. In my opinion, All for You was a more consistent album than Invincible- but at the same time the high points (songs) of Invincible are bigger than any of Janet's newer songs (just compare Butterflies, Heaven Can Wait, or Break of Dawn to any song on All for You). For as it stands today though, I would have to choose Janet. I guess they can both live and breathe for another day in the same world...sigh. | |
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DavidEye said: You think "The Lady In My Life" is "sappy"??? That song is a masterpiece!! Did you ever notice that Janet's song "Funny How Time Flies When You're Having Fun" has the SAME exact melody as "The Lady In My Life"? I can't even bear to listen to "The Lady in My Life" because it's so sappy. I don't like "Funny How Time Flies" either though, so at least I'm consistent. Still, "Thriller" has 7 killer tracks out of 9, and that isn't bad.
To tell you the truth,the only great album Janet ever did was 'Rhythm Nation'.I liked that one all the way through,and Jam and Lewis were at the top of their game back then.Her follow-up albums are all interchangeable.She has adopted the role of "sex kitten" and that's pretty much all she's about these days.As for "Michael's influence being over",you are correct.His time has passed.But,you only need to listen to the music of Justin Timberlake,Usher and Ginuwine and you'll see that MJ is STILL influencing many of today's wannabee artists.Watch these guy's videos and look at how much they're stealing from Michael!
I'll never agree with you about "janet." "The Velvet Rope" and "All for You" being interchangeable, but I know that you'll never agree that they aren't. That point is moot for both of us.  In any case, Michael's DIRECT influence is over. So is that of the Beatles and other legendary artists. Their music of the past has influenced a lot of current artists, but they aren't releasing anything current that is turning any heads. I suppose that I should have specified. Of course, Michael's influence can be see in the artists you mentioned and others. However, the influence comes from his older material.
Janet is a very successful,popular artist,but she has never been a trailblazing "pioneer" of anything.Her dance routines and her slick music videos were all influenced by Michael,her "sex kitten" persona was already done (more impressively) by Madonna in the early 90s,and many other artists have worked with Jam and Lewis before and after she decided to jump on the "Minneapolis" bandwagon.Unlike Michael,she is just not an "IMPORTANT" artist who will be remembered for doing anything special,unique or innovative in her career.She WILL be remembered as Michael's little sis who had a string of sexy pop hits.
A lot of artists today credit Janet for her dancing especially. Watching her "ICON" show reveals that. Perhaps she was influential there because she is the main female figure in choreographed dance. Aaliyah, for one, counts Janet as her favorite artist and as the artist who has had the most influence in her career. | |
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DavidEye said: Moonbeam said: DavidEye said: fairmoan said: Moonbeam said: DavidEye said: Oh come on Moonbeam,you know that 'Off The Wall' and 'Thriller' kills ANYTHING that Janet has done or will do in the future.I'm sure even SHE would agree with me
No, "Rhythm Nation" beats anything Michael has done ten-fold. you fucken idiot... No,Moonbeam is not an idiot.It's just that,he's too young to fully remember the impact that Michael had on the world.He was only TWO YEARS OLD when 'Thriller' came out,and he wasn't even alive when 'Off The Wall' was released.I was around during the "Michaelmania" of 1983-84 and I can tell you,it was unlike anything I had ever seen. Thanks, buddy. Some people are so defensive of their opinions! I do remember a little bit of the Michael mania. When I was about 5, my bro, friends and I used to go around the neighborhood blaring "Beat It" through our ghettoblaster. It was great! I remember watching the "Black or White" video for the first time- what an event that was!
Don't get me wrong- I do love Michael's music, but it hasn't stood the test of time for me like Janet's has. I'll still throw on a Michael Jackson album now and then, but it is more of a nostalgic ride than it is a current interest. That is as much of a reflection of the music itself as it is a reflection of my own taste. "Off the Wall," "Thriller," "Bad" and "Dangerous" are all great albums. However, each one of them contains some weak tracks in my opinion. "The Lady in My Life," "The Girl Is Mine," "Just Good Friends," "Just Can't Stop Loving You," "Will You Be There?" and "Heal the World" are all pretty sappy. The most consistent is probably "Off the Wall." On the other hand, "Rhythm Nation" and "All for You" are both composed of songs that still hold my interest and I still believe are top-notch. "The Velvet Rope" and "janet." are nearly flawless in my opinion, too. It just boils down to a matter of taste. Who will be remembered as the bigger star? Michael, clearly. He has earned his legendary status. However, I get the feeling that his influence is over. I doubt the youth of today much care about Michael Jackson, let alone remember him before it was uncool to like him. However, Janet is still releasing singles that blaze up the charts. Her influence is just beginning to manifest itself in a lot of different acts. Her "ICON" performance is indicative of this. Both have EARNED a lot of respect from me and a great number of people. Who's bigger? Michael Jackson is bigger than everyone. Who's better? That's a matter of opinion. You think "The Lady In My Life" is "sappy"??? That song is a masterpiece!! Did you ever notice that Janet's song "Funny How Time Flies When You're Having Fun" has the SAME exact melody as "The Lady In My Life"? To tell you the truth,the only great album Janet ever did was 'Rhythm Nation'.I liked that one all the way through,and Jam and Lewis were at the top of their game back then.Her follow-up albums are all interchangeable.She has adopted the role of "sex kitten" and that's pretty much all she's about these days.As for "Michael's influence being over",you are correct.His time has passed.But,you only need to listen to the music of Justin Timberlake,Usher and Ginuwine and you'll see that MJ is STILL influencing many of today's wannabee artists.Watch these guy's videos and look at how much they're stealing from Michael! Janet is a very successful,popular artist,but she has never been a trailblazing "pioneer" of anything.Her dance routines and her slick music videos were all influenced by Michael,her "sex kitten" persona was already done (more impressively) by Madonna in the early 90s,and many other artists have worked with Jam and Lewis before and after she decided to jump on the "Minneapolis" bandwagon.Unlike Michael,she is just not an "IMPORTANT" artist who will be remembered for doing anything special,unique or innovative in her career.She WILL be remembered as Michael's little sis who had a string of sexy pop hits. [This message was edited Wed Oct 23 4:10:41 PDT 2002 by DavidEye] mistermaxxx | |
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NO Contest
Janet!! MJ has been moonwalking in place for 20 years trying to make sequels to the same album. Janet is new and was smart to get 2 "Prince guys" to produce her. Every album shows growth and is very personal. Janet is great | |
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Janet's voice is too small. Nonetheless, her songs and music is ok or nice. Mj can sing and has songs that have so much feeling. | |
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DavidEye said: Moonbeam said: DavidEye said: fairmoan said: Moonbeam said: DavidEye said: Oh come on Moonbeam,you know that 'Off The Wall' and 'Thriller' kills ANYTHING that Janet has done or will do in the future.I'm sure even SHE would agree with me
No, "Rhythm Nation" beats anything Michael has done ten-fold. you fucken idiot... No,Moonbeam is not an idiot.It's just that,he's too young to fully remember the impact that Michael had on the world.He was only TWO YEARS OLD when 'Thriller' came out,and he wasn't even alive when 'Off The Wall' was released.I was around during the "Michaelmania" of 1983-84 and I can tell you,it was unlike anything I had ever seen. Thanks, buddy. Some people are so defensive of their opinions! I do remember a little bit of the Michael mania. When I was about 5, my bro, friends and I used to go around the neighborhood blaring "Beat It" through our ghettoblaster. It was great! I remember watching the "Black or White" video for the first time- what an event that was!
Don't get me wrong- I do love Michael's music, but it hasn't stood the test of time for me like Janet's has. I'll still throw on a Michael Jackson album now and then, but it is more of a nostalgic ride than it is a current interest. That is as much of a reflection of the music itself as it is a reflection of my own taste. "Off the Wall," "Thriller," "Bad" and "Dangerous" are all great albums. However, each one of them contains some weak tracks in my opinion. "The Lady in My Life," "The Girl Is Mine," "Just Good Friends," "Just Can't Stop Loving You," "Will You Be There?" and "Heal the World" are all pretty sappy. The most consistent is probably "Off the Wall." On the other hand, "Rhythm Nation" and "All for You" are both composed of songs that still hold my interest and I still believe are top-notch. "The Velvet Rope" and "janet." are nearly flawless in my opinion, too. It just boils down to a matter of taste. Who will be remembered as the bigger star? Michael, clearly. He has earned his legendary status. However, I get the feeling that his influence is over. I doubt the youth of today much care about Michael Jackson, let alone remember him before it was uncool to like him. However, Janet is still releasing singles that blaze up the charts. Her influence is just beginning to manifest itself in a lot of different acts. Her "ICON" performance is indicative of this. Both have EARNED a lot of respect from me and a great number of people. Who's bigger? Michael Jackson is bigger than everyone. Who's better? That's a matter of opinion. You think "The Lady In My Life" is "sappy"??? That song is a masterpiece!! Did you ever notice that Janet's song "Funny How Time Flies When You're Having Fun" has the SAME exact melody as "The Lady In My Life"? To tell you the truth,the only great album Janet ever did was 'Rhythm Nation'.I liked that one all the way through,and Jam and Lewis were at the top of their game back then.Her follow-up albums are all interchangeable.She has adopted the role of "sex kitten" and that's pretty much all she's about these days.As for "Michael's influence being over",you are correct.His time has passed.But,you only need to listen to the music of Justin Timberlake,Usher and Ginuwine and you'll see that MJ is STILL influencing many of today's wannabee artists.Watch these guy's videos and look at how much they're stealing from Michael! Janet is a very successful,popular artist,but she has never been a trailblazing "pioneer" of anything.Her dance routines and her slick music videos were all influenced by Michael,her "sex kitten" persona was already done (more impressively) by Madonna in the early 90s,and many other artists have worked with Jam and Lewis before and after she decided to jump on the "Minneapolis" bandwagon.Unlike Michael,she is just not an "IMPORTANT" artist who will be remembered for doing anything special,unique or innovative in her career.She WILL be remembered as Michael's little sis who had a string of sexy pop hits. [This message was edited Wed Oct 23 4:10:41 PDT 2002 by DavidEye] mistermaxxx | |
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Moonbeam said: Who will be remembered as the bigger star? Michael, clearly. He has earned his legendary status. However, I get the feeling that his influence is over.
i don't. like prince, mike still gets props from younger acts like destiny's child, usher, cisqo and justin timberlake who say he's been a tremendous influence on their careers. I doubt the youth of today much care about Michael Jackson, let alone remember him before it was uncool to like him.
i agree. musically and image-wise mike, as well as prince for that matter, isn't that interesting anymore to the mass. and specifically to the younger generation. though i do believe that many youngsters KNOW that mike has done some great things musically in the past whether they like him today or whether they don't. for that reason i believe they do CARE a bit. However, Janet is still releasing singles that blaze up the charts.
okay but although mike is far from hot in the us, he still does well in other parts of the world. especially in europe people dig his music. he even scored a hit with 'you rock my world'. can you believe it? Her influence is just beginning to manifest itself in a lot of different acts. Her "ICON" performance is indicative of this.
honestly, i believe she's come a long way. she's achieved a lot. but still i just don't see her as a real star, you know? someone that deserves a lot of credit. 'cause what has her input really been in her succes? the ideas for her choreography and mimicry on stage and in videos are all copied from mike in my opinion. the music is completely made up by her producers jimmy jam and terry lewis (prince link). okay, she has (co-)written a lot of good songs since, and her influence on the music probably increased with every new recording, but for some reason she has never been IT for me! her getting an 'icon' status is just ridiculous.. Both have EARNED a lot of respect from me and a great number of people. Who's bigger? Michael Jackson is bigger than everyone. Who's better? That's a matter of opinion.
that's the best closing i've read on this thread.. peace. don't need no reefer, don't need cocaine
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I'd say Janet...
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Janet is at least a human. After seeing him on stage with Nsync, he looks and acts like fat Elvis in reverse. I used to be down with Off the Wall Mike but he is so gone that its sad. He is kinda hurts me to watch him. Janet is the only one that is sane, not perfect, just sane and human. ---------------------------------
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jthad1129 said: Janet is at least a human. After seeing him on stage with Nsync, he looks and acts like fat Elvis in reverse. I used to be down with Off the Wall Mike but he is so gone that its sad. He is kinda hurts me to watch him. Janet is the only one that is sane, not perfect, just sane and human.
Funny that, b'cos a lot of people who have met Janet said she came across as fake, insincere and creepy, whereas people who have met Mike report him as being genuine and warm! | |
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Cloudbuster said: jthad1129 said: Janet is at least a human. After seeing him on stage with Nsync, he looks and acts like fat Elvis in reverse. I used to be down with Off the Wall Mike but he is so gone that its sad. He is kinda hurts me to watch him. Janet is the only one that is sane, not perfect, just sane and human.
Funny that, b'cos a lot of people who have met Janet said she came across as fake, insincere and creepy, whereas people who have met Mike report him as being genuine and warm! mistermaxxx | |
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if u r asking who i think has more talent...michael
if u r asking who i would rather sleep with...janet  you're only as old as you feel..............so how old do i feel 
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jthad1129 said: Janet is at least a human. After seeing him on stage with Nsync, he looks and acts like fat Elvis in reverse. I used to be down with Off the Wall Mike but he is so gone that its sad. He is kinda hurts me to watch him. Janet is the only one that is sane, not perfect, just sane and human.
Hmmm,let's see...Janet lied to her fans about being married,there are rumors that she had a baby a long time ago but won't tell anybody,and she went on 'Oprah' where she spent most of the time talking about her pierced nipples and the fact that she uses coffee enemas! "Sane and human",you say?
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Janet is just backwards. She has openly admitted to shoving coffee up her ass and drinking horse's urine. | |
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Ellie said: Janet is just backwards. She has openly admitted to shoving coffee up her ass and drinking horse's urine.
Ugh! And Michael's supposed to be the crazy one...lol! | |
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Janet owes everything she is 2 Michael. During the dance sequence in the "Scream" video, Michael's dance number is tight and consistant... Janet is desperate 2 just hang in there. Michael's voice buries Janet's. Her videos r classic rips of her older brothers... even tho they're tired 2. In short... MICHAEL! |
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moderatorIt's more "socially acceptable" to like Janet than to like Michael, but Michael is more talented and will always be more recognized as an artist. Janet hasn't written a single song without the aid of her producers, while most of Michael's best songs were written by him alone:
Don't Stop Til You Get Enough, Wanna Be Starting Something, Beat It, Billie Jean, Bad, The Way You Make Me Feel, Smooth Criminal, Black Or White, Who Is It, Will You Be There, They Don't Care About Us, Stranger In Moscow, etc... End. | |
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well, let's see..
Michael's definitely a better dancer & (usually) singer.. Janet's got a deeper voice, better skin, & is more masculine overall.. what a wonderfully talented family. I'm still waiting for Marlon's "comeback" album.. I'll see you tonight..
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