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krayzie said:

That's not true at all. I don't like classical, opera, symphonies, or country music and I have never called them shit hop. As for Shitney and Barbara, I've never called them shit hop either. Those two are adult contemporary.

Beyonce is shit hop. Shit hop isn't rap, it's the sound of the music behind either singing, rapping, or even farting, if that's what someone wants to do on a song. The music behind Beyonce's singing is definately shit hop which puts her on the same level as the rest of the gutter trash.

1. video performances 90's janet
2. concert performances 90's janet
3. songwriting ability 80's madonna
4. movie performances 80's madonna
5. mass appeal 80's madonna
6. award show performances 00 beyonce

badujunkie said:

Ha, I was gonna post exactly the same thing (cept for 00's Madge being above 00's Janet), other than that i totally agree. Oh and beyonce is a talent for sure, but ive never been able to listen to an album straight through, be it Destiny's Child or solo.....she's still a brilliant performer though.

krayzie said:

CORRECTION: Barbara Streisand isn't shit hop. She's just freaking wack!!!!

Actually, I've always said that I wish folks like Barbara Streisand would make a shit hop record. Remember when folks like Ethel Mermon made a disco record? That was one of the factors in disco's death besides racism and homophobia. Most of the young crowd didn't consider it cool when fuddy duddy folks like Ethel Mermon are getting into their music. And they sure didn't find it cool when their grandparents were taking disco dance lessons. I wish old folks would take shit hop dance lessons also. It's certainly slow enough for them to dance to.

Anyway, that strategy wouldn't work in killing shit hop because these kids today would just make a joke out of the old people and continue on making what they are making. As for homophobia, now that strategy might work. You know how homophobic those bastards are. A whole bunch of openly gay queens need to start making shit hop records. The thugs might abandon it real quick (after they fuck the queens of course). Then again, that strategy might not work either because the thugs don't have any musical talent or ability to make any other kind of music that is actual "music". It's just fucking hopeless killing this bullshit off.

Dance said:

this is funny.

why do so many put her in comparison of those who have been in the business ten to twenty years longer than her. she can't have the agility as them. why not compare her tooooo..... ohhh I don't know, alisha, ashanti, britney, you know, people more her age? is her vocals that powerful to chow her down because she doesn't apparently compare to mariah, janet, madonna, mary? she is only in her twenties. plus she had to make changes from a group to solo. just curious

1. video performances

90s and 80s Janet. Janet just has some awesome videos. If I had to choose between just Beyonce and Madonna, than Madonna, even though that damn 'Ray of Light' video has the potential to cause seizures.

2. concert performances

Janet because she doesn't have to do 100 costume changes to put on a good show...sorry Madonna

3. songwriting ability

I would say none of them, like everybody else, but "What About", by Janet sways me towards her.

4. movie performances

80s Madonna. Sorry, I'm a sucker for "Who's that girl?" and "Desperately Seeking Susan"

5. mass appeal

Madonna can shit in a box and put it on record shelves and her fans would buy it, so my vote goes to Madonna on this one.

6. award show performances

This is a tough one, because they have all had great award show performances. I'll give this to Beyonce because she actually opens her mouth and sings live and sounds good doing it when she does her little award show performances.
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estelle81 said:

Um, interesting language there

vainandy said:

Nope, my friend, the fact of the matter is you don't care about talent...
This is the reason why you think Vanity Shit is more legitimate than Whitney Houston

This is the reason why you claimed "fuck singing", and would legitimate talentless people like Omarion, Cassie or T PAin and if they worked with Prince...

vainandy said:

Nope my friend, Beyonce is not hip hop...

When I think of soul singers that clearly use hip hop behind, artists like
D'Angelo, Mary J Blidge, Lauryn Hill, Jodeci come to my mind

Those people appeal more to hip hop fans than Beyonce...

Beyonce is more Pop/soul than hip hop

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vainandy said:

I like this Krayzie guy... he's right on the money .

Dance said:

I've never heard of those people but a cat howling on fence with some funk behind it would sound better than Shitney Houston. I care a lot about talent, if I didn't, I would love shit hop. What I do don't care about is dull and Shitney is definately dull, talented or not.

As for Vanity, at least she had the talent to either choose or be chosen to have some funky talented folks making the music behind her weak singing....and most of all....she didn't choose someone dull.




Oh, she's not shit hop huh? Are her drum machines any different sounding than the shit hoppers' drum machines? No, they have that same sound....cheap sounding, barely tap with no strength or power to them, cheap sounding bass just like the shit hoppers, and hardly any other instruments (if any). As for drum machines, yeah there are other kinds such as the kind that Prince used in the 1980s or the kind that are used in house music. However, those other drum machines beat much harder and sound much better. How is Beyonce's music behind her singing any different than anyone else these days? I don't hear it all.

The instruments behind her singing don't even sound like they were bought from Walmart. They sound more like they came from the Dollar General Store. And as for her music being pop/soul, what do you think pop/soul is these days? Pop/soul these days is shit hop.

If anyone knows what qualifies as the shit hop sound, it is me because I am the proud inventor of the term and the reason I invented it is because I absolutely despise that sound.
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I choose 80's Madonna to all of them....Janet is second with ruling the 90's she did hold it down....but now with Be-YAWN-ce...I can do without her screeching.

Bigonce is definitely hip hop.

All her songs are tracks that some rapper didn't want just like her peers.

The only people jocking her are the same people who think hip hop is genius.

1. video performances - 90s Janet
2. concert performances - 90s Janet
3. songwriting ability - 90s Janet
4. movie performances - 90s Janet
5. mass appeal - 80s Madonna
6. award show performances - 80s Madonna

Dance said:

If you remove the vocals from songs like "Get Me Bodied","Crazy In Love" or "Irreplaceable",you're basically left with an instrumental hip-hop track.Beyonce makes shit hop music,that's a fact She works with producers who mostly produce hip-hop crap.

I think she can sing,though.But,like Mariah,she's more interested in making shit hop instead of making real music.

vainandy said:

Oh yeah my friend you know them well... Remember when I asked you about T Pain or Cassie working with Prince, how you said it's Ok if prince produces their album

Now you try to pretend that you don't know them... What a joke...

vainandy said:

Nope my friend you don't care about talent, raw talent... NOT AT ALL... You only care about the music behind... That's why you care about Vanity Shit...

You even said "Fuck singing" remember ??? For you singing is not talent, which is ignorant...

That's why you care about Vanity Shit... Because you don't care if they are talented or not...They have NO MUSICAL TALENT TO SAVE THEIR FUCKING LIFE... ZERO TALENT... And it's not a problem for you...

You don't care if artists have any musical ability whatsoever... You only care about the music behind...

You are like those kids who love T PAin, Omarion, and Cassie...

Talent doesn't matter to you...
Talent is not what drives you in music
And to me this SHAMEFUL...

vainandy said:

Hahahahaahahahahahaha

Because you seriously think your Vanity Shit "chose" to make , does she even know what music is all about ???? And I love when you said "she had the talent "

Yeah she had to talent to suck Prince's dick to get a record deal and make a pathetic career...

She a straight pure creation of Prince who molded her...

What a joke...

vainandy said:

Nope my friend, she worked with r&b producers, and pop producers... In fact the sound of Beyonce is not hiphop... She's not hip hop..

In fact you pretty much ignore the difference between hip hop and Pop/soul

Her music is clearly POP/SOUL and R&B ... This is what she wants to be... And this what her music is all about

She never tries to be an hip hop icon, like Mary J or Laury Hill, she's not that... Her music is clearly Pop oriented, oriented to the white audience...

If you want to listen to singers who clearly embraced hip hop, go listen to Mary J, Laury Hill, D'Angelo, Jodeci, Blackstreet etc

Beyonce music is not hip hop, and there's no surprise her audience is not hip hop or strongly black...

Irreplaceable is pop, Listen is adult contempory song, Crazy in Love/DeJa Vu is Pop/Soul
This is not hip hop...

Again, you don't know what you talk about, go listen to D'Angelo or Lauryn Hill if you want to hear real hip hop beats behind...

Now saying she's hip hop is as ignorant as saying Jamiroquai is a funk group...

vainandy said:

Now that's that's a typical non sensical statement by Vainandy , he claims that all Drum machines suck BUT he reminds the fact that Prince used to put A LOT of drum machines in the 80's so Vainandy starts saying "Yeah but that's different beat much harder and sound much better..."

Harder ? Better ?? Always taking his point of view as a norm...

In fact, Vainandy also forgets that Prince was a rapper back in the day, and was VERY inluenced by the hip hop movement in the early 90's... But still that was Ok ...

What a joke...

vainandy said:

Yea, everything you dislike is shit hop to you, Whitney is shit hop, Beyonce is shit hop, Michael Bolton is shit hop,
Barbara Streisand is shit hop...


But coming from someone who believes that Vanity Shit is more relevant than Whitney and Jamiroquai is a funk group, I'm not suprised...

vainandy said:

Shit hop : everything Vainandy doesn't like


And I forget another Fuck "singing"... And Fuck talent...
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krayzie,if you remove the vocals from songs like "Get Me Bodied","Crazy In Love" or "Irreplaceable",you're basically left with instrumental hip-hop tracks.Beyonce makes shit hop music,that's a fact.She works with producers who mostly produce predictable,midtempo,boring hip-hop crap.Don't you dare call it "soul",there's nothing soulful about a hip-hop track filled with samples and lazy,programmed drum machined beats.Soul music is about real instruments and something called a melody.Somehow,songs like "Get Me Bodied" and "Freakum Dress" don't qualify.



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Almost none of the alleged r&b artists of today make that music.

Hip hop has poisoned or crippled nearly every genre. Even so-called neosoul or even r&b directed at people over thirty by established soul artists is tainted with hip hop.

SoulAlive said:

My friend Irreplaceable is a POP song, A POP SONG.. not hip hop... This is a typical ballad that white artists love to sing all the time

A song that Jessica Simpson could sing... It's a ballad, how can you say that's hip hop ???

Crazy In Love is a pop/soul song... It's not a hip hop...


Beyonce never appeals to hip hop fans in the first place... People who buy hip hop music don't support Beyonce...

White folks love Beyonce...

Go listen to D'Angelo if you want to hear a singer over hip hop beats...

Damn...


She's a Pop/soul artist... Not a hip hop artist...


PS : And please stop trying to emulate Vainandy, it sounds ridiculous...
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krayzie said:



Just because I said it's OK, whoever they are, if Prince produces and plays all the instruments on their album does not mean that I know them. I don't listen to stations that play current music whatsover so how the hell would I know them?




You are absolutely correct. All I care about is the music behind the singing. But, yes, I do care about talent....talented musicians, not singers. As for me saying that singing is not a talent, that's a damn lie. Singing is definately a talent but if a talented singer sings boring ass music, no, I could give less than a damn about them.





There's her talent right there. Dick sucking is definately a talent. At least she had the good taste to suck the dick of a man that is handsome is close to her own age. Unlike a certain little goodie two shoes who got her career by sucking the dick of an old gray haired white codger that's probably got gray hairs hanging from his balls looking like tinsel hanging from a Christmas tree.




Apparently you are thinking that R&B music is still like it used to be in the 1980s when black people listened to R&B and white people listened to pop. Those days are gone. Sure she has a large white audience because she makes shit hop. Shit hop is the new pop music these days. Who do you think made shit hop as large as it has become? Yeah, she's pop and R&B but, these days, pop and R&B is shit hop.





I've never said that all drum machines suck, only the shit hop sounding ones. You know as well as I do that the drum machines on the "1999" or "Purple Rain" sound nothing like the drum machines of today. They had a harder sound to them, not a weak tap.



Yeah, keep believing that if it helps you sleep better.




This coming from someone who has not made one post on any of the funk threads. You probably think Beyonce is funky.

Shit hop is slow enough to be a ballad.




And white folks love shit hop.




There's only one me, the one and only. SoulAlive has a mind of his own and ears of his own. He's not copying me. He's got good hearing. You're the one that must have wax in the ears and can't hear that shit hop beat behind her singing.

krayzie said:

Do not ever use the word "soul" when you describe Beyonce's music.There's nothing "soulful" about the shit hop that she does.There's nothing soulful about samples.There's nothing soulful about tuneless,shit hop tracks like "Freakum Dress".

Once again,I ask you....if you remove the vocals from Beyonce songs like "Freakum Dress","Upgrade U" and "Get Me Bodied",what would you be left with? You'd be left with INSTRUMENTAL HIP-HOP TRACKS that any rapper could use on his own album.This isn't real music,played by real musicians,and it certainly isn't soul.This is drum-machined,programmed,sample-heavy,melody-less noise....the same predictable bullshit you find on any rap album.Beyonce is just singing over shit hop tracks.

"Shit hop is the new pop music these days"


Very good point! Krayzie wants to pretend that pop and R&B is something entirely different from hip-hop,but it's all the same thing.R&B and hip-hop have merged into one genre,it seems like.Shit hop is the new "pop music".

vainandy said:

aw come on vain I am always agreeing with you. but come on, this generation ain't doing much anyway, I would do what would go along with the time if I could get paid for it. Beee writes and she writes for others. Many of the ladies from this age have songs that sound like hers. this lady has written believe me. she just messed up when she mentioned she wrote neo's song. (and a few other songs too) OKAY VAIN ANDY YOU MAY HAVE A POINT HERE OKAY!