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Ike and Tina Turner Box Set




The Soul of Ike & Tina Turner
Los Angeles Times

January 1

A new box set features the urgency of her vocals as well as his many musical talents.

By Robert Hilburn, Special to The Times
January 1, 2008

The pop world has focused for so long on the remarkably sensual energy and excitement of Ike & Tina Turner's old live show that it is often easy to forget the duo also made some dynamic records. But even if you have wanted to go back and check up on the pair's records from the 1960s and 1970s, it was difficult to know just which "best of" collection to buy because the Turners recorded for so many labels.

Time Life has finally put together what it bills as Ike & Tina's "first-ever complete career retrospective." Released just weeks before Ike's death Dec. 12 at age 76, the three-disc boxed set includes tunes from each of the Turners' most noteworthy label affiliations.

The results are mixed, but the highlights, mostly taken from their early days on Sue Records, offer astonishingly raw slices of soul music; music often as frenetic as Tina's hip-shaking moves on stage.

Though she proved to be a stylish and controlled R&B-pop singer after leaving Ike in the mid-'70s, Tina's vocals in the Sue sessions reflected a desperate urgency reminiscent of Janis Joplin.

The team's first single was "A Fool in Love," which reached No. 2 on the R&B charts in 1960. Even today, Tina's sudden vocal outbursts on the record are startling.

The great misconception in the Ike & Tina story, however, is that Ike rode into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1991 on Tina's coattails. In truth, Ike was a highly regarded talent scout, guitarist, pianist and record producer long before he met Tina (real name: Anna Mae Bullock) in 1957.

He was a guiding force, for instance, behind the 1951 single "Rocket 88" that some pop observers point to as the first rock 'n' roll record. He not only gave Bullock the name Tina Turner (years before they were married in 1962), but he also is credited with developing Tina's sexy, larger-than-life stage persona.

Clad in dresses as skimpy as the law allowed in concert, Tina shook her hips with mesmerizing force to some of the most seductive beats this side of James Brown or Prince. The hips, of course, were Tina's; the beat was Ike's.

The back story: Tina's film biography, "What's Love Got to Do With It," was a huge success, partly because of the dramatic story of Tina reaching even greater stardom after rebelling against Ike's physical abuse and leaving the marriage and the Revue.

But Ike's own life could make an equally dramatic film. When the Mississippi native (real name: Izear Luster Turner) was 5, he saw white men drag his father from the family house and beat him so badly that he eventually died of the injuries. The dispute, Ike said, had something to do with a woman.

Ike found comfort and joy in music, and he formed the Kings of Rhythm band during high school. He was just 19 when "Rocket 88," an upbeat boogie-woogie number, went to No. 1 on the R&B charts. The musician realized early that he wasn't an especially strong frontman (he didn't even sing lead on "Rocket 88"), so he was always searching for singers for his band. That's where Anna Mae Bullock came in.

Though he wrote "A Fool for You" for someone else, Bullock talked Ike into letting her take a stab at it in the recording studio, Collin Escott writes in the set's liner notes. Her screams were so loud during the session that the studio owner was afraid she was going to ruin the microphone. But Ike was so impressed that he sent the recording to Sue Records in New York, which released it.

And why the name Tina?

According to the liner notes, Bullock was dating a saxophonist who had left the band and Ike was worried that the saxophonist might take Anna Mae for his own band if the record was a hit. So Ike released the record under the name Ike & Tina Turner, figuring he could just bring in another singer "as Tina" if Anna Mae jumped ship.

The music: The first disc is devoted largely to the Sue material, and that's where Tina's voice is the most striking. Unfortunately, the version of "River Deep-Mountain High" isn't the original 1966 Phil Spector-produced one that contained arguably Tina's most memorable vocal ever.

She still sings powerfully in the 1973 live version included in the set, but the band doesn't push her the way the Spector musicians did.

The second disc has several cover versions of R&B and rock songs, including John Fogerty's "Proud Mary," which was the duo's only Top 10 pop single. Other remakes include the Beatles' "Come Together" and the Rolling Stones' "Honky Tonk Women." Though creditable, the tracks are not as striking as the early Sue tunes.

The third disc is a live concert featuring several other cover tunes, including the Dusty Springfield hit "Son of a Preacher Man" and Otis Redding's "Respect." The music is taut, but the disc reflects little of the heat of the visual live show. Too bad the set didn't include a DVD from the period.

Further study: To hear Tina on her own, try "Tina Turner/Simply the Best" on Capitol. It features 18 songs, including the solo hit "What's Love Got to Do With It" and the Spector-produced version of "River Deep-Mountain High."

For Ike's solo work, there's "I Like Ike! The Best of Ike Turner" on Rhino Records. It starts with "Rocket 88" and goes through tracks recorded on several labels and featuring various vocalists. Even if he's not singing, you can still feel Ike's scorching R&B stamp on the tracks.
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Reply #1 posted 01/01/08 5:13pm

horatio

does it include the smack-down sessions?
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Reply #2 posted 01/01/08 5:23pm

Timmy84

Interesting tidbits from the liner notes.
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Reply #3 posted 01/01/08 6:00pm

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I was thinking about getting this. It looks pretty nice and plus there's a live disc to boot, so I'll probably pick this up shortly...
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Reply #4 posted 01/01/08 6:56pm

Harlepolis

What a STRIKING figure love

Anna Mae Bullock was a bombshell in her heyday.
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Reply #5 posted 01/01/08 6:59pm

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Harlepolis said:

What a STRIKING figure love

Anna Mae Bullock was a bombshell in her heyday.

just what i was thinking...damn I need to go on a fuckin' diet.
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Reply #6 posted 01/01/08 7:06pm

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Harlepolis said:

What a STRIKING figure love

Anna Mae Bullock was a bombshell in her heyday.

There's nothing wrong with her now. lol
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Reply #7 posted 01/01/08 7:09pm

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AlexdeParis said:

Harlepolis said:

What a STRIKING figure love

Anna Mae Bullock was a bombshell in her heyday.

There's nothing wrong with her now. lol

I don't think the comment was to say that she doesn't look great now, but judging from the picture above, back then she had a grade A perfect figure.
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Reply #8 posted 01/01/08 7:16pm

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missfee said:

AlexdeParis said:


There's nothing wrong with her now. lol

I don't think the comment was to say that she doesn't look great now, but judging from the picture above, back then she had a grade A perfect figure.

I know. After I posted, I realized I probably should've starting with "...and." I was too lazy to edit it. smile
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Reply #9 posted 01/01/08 7:18pm

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AlexdeParis said:

missfee said:


I don't think the comment was to say that she doesn't look great now, but judging from the picture above, back then she had a grade A perfect figure.

I know. After I posted, I realized I probably should've starting with "...and." I was too lazy to edit it. smile

lol lol oh I gotcha!!
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Reply #10 posted 01/01/08 8:39pm

Timmy84

Harlepolis said:

What a STRIKING figure love

Anna Mae Bullock was a bombshell in her heyday.


I know, right. She's one of the examples of "black don't crack" (so what if she had surgery, most of the time she had to anyway but still...).
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Reply #11 posted 01/01/08 9:02pm

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awesome! finally!
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Reply #12 posted 01/01/08 10:05pm

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silverchild said:



I was thinking about getting this. It looks pretty nice and plus there's a live disc to boot, so I'll probably pick this up shortly...

Anyone notice how much Ike looks like Prince in the pic above.
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Reply #13 posted 01/02/08 2:23am

Harlepolis

daPrettyman said:

silverchild said:



I was thinking about getting this. It looks pretty nice and plus there's a live disc to boot, so I'll probably pick this up shortly...

Anyone notice how much Ike looks like Prince in the pic above.
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Wow!

*knocking on wood*

You got a deadly pair of eyes lol
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Reply #14 posted 01/02/08 6:46am

Slave2daGroove

I picked this up at Amoeba over the holidays and the live disk really outlines their shows (and their dysfunction) but I love Soul music so this was a must have.
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Reply #15 posted 01/02/08 8:41am

Harlepolis

Slave2daGroove said:

I picked this up at Amoeba over the holidays and the live disk really outlines their shows (and their dysfunction) but I love Soul music so this was a must have.


Explain that, please hmmm
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Reply #16 posted 01/03/08 8:28am

Slave2daGroove

Harlepolis said:

Slave2daGroove said:

I picked this up at Amoeba over the holidays and the live disk really outlines their shows (and their dysfunction) but I love Soul music so this was a must have.


Explain that, please hmmm


I've only had one listen to the live disk but she's talking about being in love with a real man and he makes a derogatory comment about the man being feminine or something. This is over-top of her pouring her soul out on the mic, which not only seemed out of place but like he had to add his two cents.

There was something else but I'll have to re-listen to this and edit this post...
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Reply #17 posted 01/11/08 6:55pm

Dance

Harlepolis said:

What a STRIKING figure love

Anna Mae Bullock was a bombshell in her heyday.


Dead ass wrong lol
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