1.Radiohead

2.U2 (Downhill All the Way since 'The Joshua Tree')

3.The Rolling Stones (Haven't done anything noteworthy for two decades)

4.Madonna (Daring in everyway except in her music.follows trends in music, rather than sets them.her 80's stuff is far more dated than say Prince's.)

5.Robbie Williams (I'm sick of reading about this guy in the UK papers,Talentless and certainly not the next big thing Stateside.'Rock DJ' sounds about 10 years old already.I can't Believe EMI have thrown $80 million at this guy!)

so who are yours?

Thecherryloon said:

I think 1989's Steel Wheels was a very good album by the Stones.


Agreed, but ... look out...


I don't really have a list.

1. U2 - A generally good band, but they've basically had the SAME sound for over 20 years.

2. Paul McCartney - smirky git. Almost as bad as Robbie Williams.

3. David Bowie - OK, I'm not clued up on this guy and you'll all probably jump down my throat at me mentioning him in this topic, but I just don't get why he's this untouchable musical God to critics.

4. Radiohead - A few good songs, nothing spectacular. OK Computer best British album ever? Errm, yeah, and I'm Bananaman.

5. Madonna - I'm a huge fan or her earlier stuff and I think Erotica is underrated, but now it's just pretentious techno. Some tracks on her last album have dated already. Quite a dull personality as of late too. New song sucks, big time!

Thecherryloon said:

Who's this?

Robbie Williams - Smug twat, used to be in Take That, the most popular British boy band of the 90s. He left about 6 months before they split up and had various drug problems, started hanging out with Oasis to appear "cool" and released an awful cover of George Michael's Freedom as his debut single in 1996. For some reason, he released the most BLAND song called Angels and it's like a national anthem over here

All he does is pose, take his shirt off, pretend to be Frank Sinatra and wiggle his arse about. All of a sudden he's worth an £80m record contract despite having already been promoted in the US and failing.

1. The Beatles
2. AC/DC
3. Pink Floyd
4. The Beach Boys
5. The Eagles

on them all!

Ellie said:


Umm where are you getting that from? Their transition from Joshua Tree/Rattle and Hum to Achtung Baby is one of the greatest career makeovers in the history of rock and roll. And they're definitely not overrated. Just listen to their work and you'll see.

Thecherryloon said:

MADONNA!!!

Watch out Cherry you are talking about DavidEye's Woman!!!

Ellie said:


You're right. You're clueless. Buy his new album and find out what all the fuss is about. He's tackled more styles more successfully than Prince. And he's started more shit than just about anyone. That's why he's a legend.

I'll let someone else tackle the Madonna issue.

TRON said:

I'll tackle it! How can a woman who is traditionally not rated very highly be overrated when she has succeeded in completely transforming society and influencing virtually everyone who succeeded her?
[This message was edited Sat Oct 12 19:11:09 PDT 2002 by Moonbeam]

TRON said:

there isn't an issue.In 30 years time, nobody will be talking about how she shaped music or brought new ideas to the table.As a celebrity, she is second to none and i'll admit she has done really well for herself on such limited talent, and she's turned herself into a powerful business woman.this is what will be discussed.

I'm talking musically.She is lacking.Who's the next hot producer? She'll be there, whoever it is.

Moonbeam said:

Bull!!!

Moonbeam said:

Who has she influenced? How? What Artist can you listen to today and say "i hear alot of Madonna in her"?

She Even stole her original look from someone else - Cyndi Lauper or maybe Pat Benatar.Take your pick.

gman1966 said:

Of course you would refute it. I'm white.

Thecherryloon said:

Any female in the market owes a lot to Madonna, whether they like to admit it or not. She opened doors that no one else could. Want an example of someone you wouldn't think was influenced by her? Liz Phair. Yes, Liz Phair. She has mentioned that "when we saw 'Lucky Star,' my friends and I saw OUR star." Her music doesn't sound like Madonna, but the influence is acknowledged.

Futhermore, anyone who is known for videos owes a lot to Madonna as well, who helped to transform it into an artform that transcends the music itself.

The strokes
the vines
the hives
the white stripes
and countless "backpack rappers",neo soul peeps,pop punk bands,etc...

The Rolling Stones,1) Bruce Springsteen 2) Bon Jovi 3)Aerosmith 4) Eminem 5) and 98% of the Rappers,Neo Soul Acts&Alternative Acts plus Country Artists&Soft Jazz Acts,etc..

Thecherryloon said:

I would say that Madonna and U2 deserve all the acclaim and success that comes their way.They were extremely "hot" in the 80s and have both maintained their popularity and success with excellent,thought-provoking albums and songs.They're both celebrating over 20 years in the biz,and they continue to do great things.Their longevity speaks for itself.


Btw,it looks like Madonna is addressing her naysayers in her new single....."I guess I'll find another way,there's so much more to know...I guess I'll die another day,it's not my time to go"
[This message was edited Mon Oct 14 6:36:57 PDT 2002 by DavidEye]

Thecherryloon said:

Agreed. Madonna's greatest talent is in how she markets herself. She also has a keen knack for picking the hotest producers and paying attention to what's hot in the clubs. That's how she keeps up with the biz and stays on the charts. Her first hits came from copying the sounds she heard in the 80s club scene.

DavidEye said:

I might Be Tired of Madonna&U2 with all the Attention thye both get but you can't ever take away the Music.Madonna is a Pop Musician Live with it&get over it Already!She Makes Music&Her Voice is a Instrument that has moved alot of People.I haven't been into Her for many years but you can't ever downplay Her Music Period.as far as U2 same goes they do there thing&People Respect.I haven't been into them in Many Moons but You gotta Give it up they are doing something right Period.

GoldNigga said:

Madonna is primarily a dance music artist and she listens to dance music herself.So,it's only natural that she would keep up with what's "hot" in the clubs.That's HER scene,too,you know.As for picking the "hottest producers" to work with...William Orbit and the unkown Mirwais weren't exactly Top Ten producers when she chose to work with them.In the 80s,she worked with Steve Bray,Shep Pettibone and Patrick Leonard and neither of these guys were exactly household names when she chose to work with them.It's hilarious watching people try to "rationalize" her success.Perhaps she stays on top because she actually makes music that her fans WANT to hear?

TRON said:

THANK YOU!!! Plus how the hell does Achtung-Zooropa-POP sound anything like JT. Quit U2 hating for non musical reasons.

Thecherryloon said:

Who overrates this guy? England?...well there ya go
[This message was edited Tue Oct 15 4:48:12 PDT 2002 by rdhull]

mistermaxxx said:

AMEN to #5!!! It seems like anything nowadays with a Rhodes piano is considered Neo Soul and good! Not so!! LOL!!

DavidEye said:

Do you know...I think you're fabulous.

This woman is a legend...do not argue. Just accept.

1.Eminem-funny for the first 5 minutes but after the minimal shock value wore off had nothing interesting or original to say
2.Jay Z-All downhill after Reasonable Doubt,had a brief return to form w/ The Blueprint, but judging by that terrible track w/ Beyonce has returned to champagne poet banality.A great artist ruined by massive success.
3.A Tribe Called Quest-Mediocre lyrics hidden in amazing musical arrangements
4.Ja Rule-Everything that is wrong w/ much of current hip hop.Derivative watered down studio gangster.
5.Mariah Carey-A technically amazing voice w/ no real opinion or personal point of view, didn't have to resort to being a pop product but chose to anyway
Honorable Mention: Bilal-The least talented of the current crop of neo soul acts. Just plain boring.

Ahh c'mon now Bilal is the shit. I pick him anyday over today's R&B cats(Mario-B2K-Jagged Edge,,, etc etc etc).

Ok:

Bitchney-Well, I can give her the credit of her beauty,,,oh there's more??

Ja rule/Ashanti and the hole Murder Inc-UGH UGH UGH!!!

Madonna-'Sigh' I'm just sick of this bitch

Elvis-The CUTEST white man on earth but why don't ya'll bring Jackie Wilson instead??

[b]Prince[/b--The top 5!!!

Alicia Keys. I'll believe the hype when I see that she can actually live up to it.

Ashanti. Pretty face, but no vocal talent at all.

Justin Timberlake. Again, pretty face, but no vocal talent.

jessyMD32781 said:

2 that list I must add Shitney Spears - same description as above