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Reply #60 posted 12/28/07 1:42pm

sexxydancer

Overrated.I never could c what all the hype was about.Sorry y'all.
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Reply #61 posted 12/28/07 2:53pm

dirtyman2005

first of all, she was hot as fuck without showing any skin and was the master of being mysterious,

the most gorgeous girl on the planet when she did One in a Million.

Hot as hell!

sure, the whole R Kelly thing was fucked up.

But hey,

she could really sing, check out her national anthem rendition on youtube.

let her rest in peace.
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Reply #62 posted 12/30/07 6:38am

midnightmover

bboy87 said:

Harlepolis said:



Hot damn! all of us? falloff lol

Exactly how did Babygirl became the bad guy in the R.Kelly's situation? What a fucked up world we live in when we a condemn an underage child for being CLEARLY exploited,,,,even if she didn't mind.

Its the same situation as the Chris Stokes one, but with a less twisted scenario(Chris still do it and he's reported to have sex with his sister,,,YEP birth sister disbelief).

As for Joss Stone, I didn't condemn her for using sex either because then I have to condemn Mariah Carey, Diana Ross, Bette Davis, Joan Crawford and a looooong ass list of other entertainers who turned to sex to "control" their workplace. Do what you do and live with it, but don't act all self-righteous when you look @ other people,,,,thats my only problem with Joss, she was/is judgemental toward other female per4mers for their appearances when her shit stank something fierce, child.

And as for Babygirl's music, thats subjective nod so, I can understand that.

Harlepolis, I agree. People on the org can't help but hate on others

Bboy, trust me, I've got no hate for Aaliyah. She seemed like a nice enough girl and she had a few good songs, and at least one great song ("Are You That Somebody?"). And if orgers just mentioned her every now and then and said "Yeah, she was a nice girl, I liked a couple of her songs" then you'd never hear me say a bad word about her. But the fact is you guys take it way further than that. You've romanticised her out of all proportion. The fact is she was no different than the Ashantis and Ciaras that came afterwards. Like them she could not sing live, and had no real charisma as a performer. Take away the choreographers and the producers and there was really nothing there. Sorry guys, but the truth is the truth.
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Reply #63 posted 12/30/07 6:59am

midnightmover

Harlepolis said:

midnightmover said:

She had no personality, she couldn't sing live, and she was a shit performer who fooled the kids with the aid of a choreographer / robot controller. Let's face it she was Janet Jackson, but with nicer features. And y'all are a bunch of hypocrites. You diss people like Joss Stone for supposedly "fucking for tracks", yet here's a girl who owes her whole career to sucking R Kelly's dick and none of you say anything. Goddamn phonies. lol
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Hot damn! all of us? falloff lol

Exactly how did Babygirl became the bad guy in the R.Kelly's situation? What a fucked up world we live in when we a condemn an underage child for being CLEARLY exploited,,,,even if she didn't mind.

Its the same situation as the Chris Stokes one, but with a less twisted scenario(Chris still do it and he's reported to have sex with his sister,,,YEP birth sister disbelief).

As for Joss Stone, I didn't condemn her for using sex either because then I have to condemn Mariah Carey, Diana Ross, Bette Davis, Joan Crawford and a looooong ass list of other entertainers who turned to sex to "control" their workplace. Do what you do and live with it, but don't act all self-righteous when you look @ other people,,,,thats my only problem with Joss, she was/is judgemental toward other female per4mers for their appearances when her shit stank something fierce, child.

And as for Babygirl's music, thats subjective nod so, I can understand that.

I never said Aaliyah was "the bad guy in the situation". The point I'm making is that you guys label people like Joss Stone a hoe simply because she's dating Raphael Saadiq, and yet when it comes to Aaliyah you totally ignore the fact that she owes her whole career to a sexual liaison with R. Kelly. If that were Ashanti or Ciara, you guys would be foaming at the mouth with self righteousness, yet because you've all decided to deify Aaliyah, you overlook it. In Joss's case she has never benefited in career terms from fucking anyone. Aaliyah has. Let's not forget that after dating R. Kelly she dated Damon Fucking Dash. Sorry, but Damon Dash is a moron. The only reason you'd date him is for his money and power. Now I'm not criticising her for that. Everyone knows women are attracted to power, but the point is, if it was a younger artist that you guys didn't grow up with, then you would be criticising her for it. It's a blatant double standard.
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Reply #64 posted 12/30/07 7:15am

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midnightmover said:

bboy87 said:


Harlepolis, I agree. People on the org can't help but hate on others

Bboy, trust me, I've got no hate for Aaliyah. She seemed like a nice enough girl and she had a few good songs, and at least one great song ("Are You That Somebody?"). And if orgers just mentioned her every now and then and said "Yeah, she was a nice girl, I liked a couple of her songs" then you'd never hear me say a bad word about her. But the fact is you guys take it way further than that. You've romanticised her out of all proportion. The fact is she was no different than the Ashantis and Ciaras that came afterwards. Like them she could not sing live, and had no real charisma as a performer. Take away the choreographers and the producers and there was really nothing there. Sorry guys, but the truth is the truth.


I strongly disagree!!! She was in no way close to the singers that you mentioned. Alot goes into a singer singing live, especially nerves....Let's face it, some of these performers are actaully human...Also, the way the music business is, most are not prepped to sing live. I have seen Aaliyah a few times, and she was fine. I cannot say the same for the singers that you mentioned. Ashanti, with her "dancing in a circle ass", has the stage presence and charisma of a labordor retriever chasing her tale, (and yes, the pun was intended). Ciara, is at least good to look at. Yes, Aaliyah, got together with R.Kelly. But he is not the only person to blame....Let's look at her parents. What were they doing when she was 15 and going to get married to Kelly? As a producer, he had the good mind to cultivate her talent and helped build the foundation that Missy and Timberland, continued to expand on, until her demise. People can say what they want to about Kelly....But, he knows how to write and who to write for. When it comes time to fast money, he will write,"Bump & Grind" and when it comes time to get serious and get into the public's good graces, he will write, "I believe I can fly". To do this, you must be very business savy and clever.
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Reply #65 posted 12/30/07 7:53am

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midnightmover said:

You've romanticised her out of all proportion. The fact is she was no different than the Ashantis and Ciaras that came afterwards. Like them she could not sing live, and had no real charisma as a performer. Take away the choreographers and the producers and there was really nothing there. Sorry guys, but the truth is the truth.

Yes, the truth is the truth, but your whole post is full of opinions. I'll agree that Aaliyah wasn't the best singer -- although her rendition of "(At Your Best) You Are Love" is exceptional -- but AFAIC the girl exuded charisma as much as anything else. Not to speak for others, but I think the reason so many of us speak more highly of her than people like Ashanti and Ciara is the charisma we see. She made you notice her, like her, and wonder about her... and not just because she was fine and had good songs. There was something more there.

Comparing her to the young R&B teens of her era, she was vocally no match for Brandy and Monica, but she had more star power than either of them. That's part of what allowed her to compete.
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Reply #66 posted 12/30/07 9:48am

midnightmover

shorttrini said:

midnightmover said:


Bboy, trust me, I've got no hate for Aaliyah. She seemed like a nice enough girl and she had a few good songs, and at least one great song ("Are You That Somebody?"). And if orgers just mentioned her every now and then and said "Yeah, she was a nice girl, I liked a couple of her songs" then you'd never hear me say a bad word about her. But the fact is you guys take it way further than that. You've romanticised her out of all proportion. The fact is she was no different than the Ashantis and Ciaras that came afterwards. Like them she could not sing live, and had no real charisma as a performer. Take away the choreographers and the producers and there was really nothing there. Sorry guys, but the truth is the truth.


I strongly disagree!!! She was in no way close to the singers that you mentioned. Alot goes into a singer singing live, especially nerves....Let's face it, some of these performers are actaully human...Also, the way the music business is, most are not prepped to sing live. I have seen Aaliyah a few times, and she was fine. I cannot say the same for the singers that you mentioned. Ashanti, with her "dancing in a circle ass", has the stage presence and charisma of a labordor retriever chasing her tale, (and yes, the pun was intended). Ciara, is at least good to look at. Yes, Aaliyah, got together with R.Kelly. But he is not the only person to blame.
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Sorry, but if people are paying money to hear someone sing then they have a right to expect a great vocal performance. I don't want to hear how hard it is to sing live and how nervous the poor singers are. These people are paid an absolute fortune. They should be professionals. If you had a heart transplant and the doctor fucked up the operation, you wouldn't say "Oh well, he was probably nervous". He's paid to be able to do the job. Same goes for singers. Aaliyah mostly lip synced, but on the few occasions I heard her singing her hits live, she was hitting a lot of flat notes, and her lack of power really came through.
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Reply #67 posted 12/30/07 9:59am

midnightmover

AlexdeParis said:

midnightmover said:

You've romanticised her out of all proportion. The fact is she was no different than the Ashantis and Ciaras that came afterwards. Like them she could not sing live, and had no real charisma as a performer. Take away the choreographers and the producers and there was really nothing there. Sorry guys, but the truth is the truth.

Yes, the truth is the truth, but your whole post is full of opinions. I'll agree that Aaliyah wasn't the best singer -- although her rendition of "(At Your Best) You Are Love" is exceptional -- but AFAIC the girl exuded charisma as much as anything else. Not to speak for others, but I think the reason so many of us speak more highly of her than people like Ashanti and Ciara is the charisma we see. She made you notice her, like her, and wonder about her... and not just because she was fine and had good songs. There was something more there.

Comparing her to the young R&B teens of her era, she was vocally no match for Brandy and Monica, but she had more star power than either of them. That's part of what allowed her to compete.

This charisma you're speaking of was mostly down to her looks (she was beautiful) and the fact that she only had one facial expression. The combination of those two things obviously comes off to some as mysterious. But you could randomly pull a good looking, reserved chick who knew how to carry a tune, off the street and get a similar effect if you gave her good producers and a choreographer. I'm not knocking her personally, but for me she was always fairly run of the mill. When she died, I was shocked that someone so ordinary would die one of those romantic early rock 'n' roll deaths. You tend to think of legends like Jimi, Lennon, Marley, Cobain, even Tupac and Biggie dying early. All of them were very interesting characters, whereas Aaliyah seemed too plain a person to join such an exclusive club.
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Reply #68 posted 12/30/07 10:44am

Dance

Some of you act like the girl raped you.

The only thing this girl was guilty of was having bad parents and wanting to be Janet.

I'm not a fan of hers, but DAMN. I'd hate to see how some of you respond to a death in your lives. You must go to the funeral and piss on the body.
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Reply #69 posted 12/30/07 11:01am

midnightmover

Dance said:

Some of you act like the girl raped you.

The only thing this girl was guilty of was having bad parents and wanting to be Janet.

I'm not a fan of hers, but DAMN. I'd hate to see how some of you respond to a death in your lives. You must go to the funeral and piss on the body.

You're not reading properly. I'm not dissing Aaliyah. I have no real opinion about her personally, and she seemed like a nice enough person. What I'm talking about is how overpraised she is. I agree with you that she was Janet Junior, but to hear folks round here talk you'd think she was the reincarnation of Florence Nightingale.
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Reply #70 posted 12/30/07 11:31am

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Reply #71 posted 12/30/07 11:34am

midnightmover

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No comment.
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Reply #72 posted 12/30/07 11:53am

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midnightmover said:

Harlepolis said:



Hot damn! all of us? falloff lol

Exactly how did Babygirl became the bad guy in the R.Kelly's situation? What a fucked up world we live in when we a condemn an underage child for being CLEARLY exploited,,,,even if she didn't mind.

Its the same situation as the Chris Stokes one, but with a less twisted scenario(Chris still do it and he's reported to have sex with his sister,,,YEP birth sister disbelief).

As for Joss Stone, I didn't condemn her for using sex either because then I have to condemn Mariah Carey, Diana Ross, Bette Davis, Joan Crawford and a looooong ass list of other entertainers who turned to sex to "control" their workplace. Do what you do and live with it, but don't act all self-righteous when you look @ other people,,,,thats my only problem with Joss, she was/is judgemental toward other female per4mers for their appearances when her shit stank something fierce, child.

And as for Babygirl's music, thats subjective nod so, I can understand that.

I never said Aaliyah was "the bad guy in the situation". The point I'm making is that you guys label people like Joss Stone a hoe simply because she's dating Raphael Saadiq, and yet when it comes to Aaliyah you totally ignore the fact that she owes her whole career to a sexual liaison with R. Kelly. If that were Ashanti or Ciara, you guys would be foaming at the mouth with self righteousness, yet because you've all decided to deify Aaliyah, you overlook it. In Joss's case she has never benefited in career terms from fucking anyone. Aaliyah has. Let's not forget that after dating R. Kelly she dated Damon Fucking Dash. Sorry, but Damon Dash is a moron. The only reason you'd date him is for his money and power. Now I'm not criticising her for that. Everyone knows women are attracted to power, but the point is, if it was a younger artist that you guys didn't grow up with, then you would be criticising her for it. It's a blatant double standard.


Well i agree on that, especially with this whole GARBAGE this year with Joss Stone "fucking for tracks" nonsense, when the real issue was she was a "white girl" with a Black Guy, if that was Angie Stone no one would give a shit. Sad to say but Aaliyahs first acclaim was the whole R Kelly thing, and not her music. Im not saying she wasnt musically interesting because she was, and by far more interesting than Ashanti and Ciara mainly because they are "clones" to Aaliyah. And for Joss Stone, she benefited ZERO from anyone she was screwing, I mean she would have been signed regardless somewhere. So there is often a "picking and choosing" with whos screwing who, who uses sex to sell, etc...I think to play it safe, everyone is screwing someone, and they all (male/female) use sex and image to sell something.

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Reply #73 posted 12/30/07 1:35pm

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lastdecember said:

midnightmover said:


I never said Aaliyah was "the bad guy in the situation". The point I'm making is that you guys label people like Joss Stone a hoe simply because she's dating Raphael Saadiq, and yet when it comes to Aaliyah you totally ignore the fact that she owes her whole career to a sexual liaison with R. Kelly. If that were Ashanti or Ciara, you guys would be foaming at the mouth with self righteousness, yet because you've all decided to deify Aaliyah, you overlook it. In Joss's case she has never benefited in career terms from fucking anyone. Aaliyah has. Let's not forget that after dating R. Kelly she dated Damon Fucking Dash. Sorry, but Damon Dash is a moron. The only reason you'd date him is for his money and power. Now I'm not criticising her for that. Everyone knows women are attracted to power, but the point is, if it was a younger artist that you guys didn't grow up with, then you would be criticising her for it. It's a blatant double standard.


Well i agree on that, especially with this whole GARBAGE this year with Joss Stone "fucking for tracks" nonsense, when the real issue was she was a "white girl" with a Black Guy, if that was Angie Stone no one would give a shit. Sad to say but Aaliyahs first acclaim was the whole R Kelly thing, and not her music. Im not saying she wasnt musically interesting because she was, and by far more interesting than Ashanti and Ciara mainly because they are "clones" to Aaliyah. And for Joss Stone, she benefited ZERO from anyone she was screwing, I mean she would have been signed regardless somewhere. So there is often a "picking and choosing" with whos screwing who, who uses sex to sell, etc...I think to play it safe, everyone is screwing someone, and they all (male/female) use sex and image to sell something.


screwing is good

ask the preacher in 'vampire in brooklyn'

'getting ass is good'
' you all need to get some ass'
something like that biggrin

aaliyah had no talent whatsoever but she was actually a very nice person. Her sex life is irrelevant really but facts are facts
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Reply #74 posted 12/30/07 3:02pm

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Well....I loved her in Queen of the Damned. I loved Are You That Somebody? And my granddaughter was named after her....Rest in peace, Aaliyah.
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