This is a hot ghetto mess if I've EVER seen one.
I've never been a fan of that whole Immature/B2K camp, so I don't really know any of the players. But I feel so sad for all parties involved. There is LOTS of healing, accountability, etc., that needs to take place in this circle. And, for all the recovery this Raz kid seems to believe he's experienced, there's something quite curious about a guy who goes on Noah's Arc as an expression of the comfort he has with his... heterosexuality , or levels this kinda stuff -- true or false -- in a public forum like youtube amid attempts to reconcile with family. Clearly, this boy, bless his heart, needs as much help as the rest of them. I hope they all get it. [Edited 12/25/07 0:02am] Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
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Jesus be Mrs Garrett on a Very Special episode of The Facts Of Life
YouTube will not heal your wounds Raz. I was messed with at the age of 4 (or 5) by an adult Babysitter. I was so young that I didn't know anything was wrong. My parents picked out that something was wrong by me doing the same things that I did with the adult at home. When I told them that happened all the time with the adult they had the appropriate Black family response at that time. They said don't talk about it and kept sending me to the Adult for another year. (Bad Parenting) Luckily I wasn't affected for life because at the time I was so young that it wasn't a moral or right and wrong issue for me. I didn't really understand or realize what had happened until I was about 10. That creep had moved away, but my relationship with my parents became very distant. I don't feel It branded me or ruined my life and have moved on. If I were older like 11 or 12 and understood what was going on then I probably would be wrecked for life. At this stage Raz needs professional ADULT counselling from professionals. He is all over the place in that YouTube video, even trying to relate his appearing on Noah's Arc as connected in his mind with the Molestation (all kinds of wrong for that). Noah's Arc was about entertainment and being positive and acceptance on a lot of levels. He shouldn't be mentally connecting that to Molestation suffered at the hands Chris Stokes. If he continues in this Industry he needs counselling and a proper Mentor like a Quincy Jones type to guide him. Going to YouTube to air this out is like going on Maury to find your Baby daddy. Hella Wrong. Get Help. (If you have been on Maury three times already and still haven't found you Baby Daddy, give it up you ain't gonna find em.) [ZUNECARD]MikeChristopher[/ZUNECARD] | |
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I don't know what to say or think...
And that pic was Chris Stokes? I pictured him as a middle aged 50 something... He looks young to be a manager. | |
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WillieDynamite said: Jesus be an ABC afternoon special
I had go back to Tivo and dig up that MTV Cribs marathon with B2K. Wow they had two houses and a bunch of cars at that time. Both houses were uber tacky and one house was Chris Stokes', which he happened to share with Raz, and the other scrubs had to share the other house. In pimp terms was Raz the Bottom B*tch? (you know, the main person?) In Star Trek terms was Raz the #1? (Engage!) This whole mess smells fishy. If these things were so bad why wait so long to expose it? When they broke up Raz was the most vocal one talking about MONEY. I see a LIFETIME movie in Raz's future, kinda like Fantasia's. (Maybe on LOGO network) Can someone remind me what purpose did Raz, J-Boog or Tito serve in this group other than background dancers? I'm guessing that they were along for the ride like the other members of Destiny's Child. Where are the other member's at? Do they have an opinion on this? Chris will probably bankroll whatever album (or venture) Raz and Ricky (Romance?, Really? My People...) are trying to get done just to make it go away. Remember when Kid's groups were just that and not Sexual? The Boys, Brandy, Shanice, Tracie Spencer, ABC. Fun Times. Because I actually have experienced both a Jackson five concert and a b2k concert in my lifetime let me explain J-Boog actually was just as popular as Omarion. J-boog was the other LEAD singer of the group. My daughter was like 13-14ish during the hype of b2k. Believe me I know this mess. Tito is a great musician. | |
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DanceWme said: SexyBeautifulOne said: DAMN!!! This shit's gonna go viral in a matter of hours and when it does...!!!!! I really feel for the families but DAMN...they didn't seem too surprised to me!! WTF???
[Edited 12/24/07 8:24am] It has recently been revealed that Omarion was molested by both Chris Stokes and Marques Houston when he was younger. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omarion There are 2 ways to look at it: 1. All of these n****s is gay! OR 2. They were only F***ing For Tracks and STILL didn't get pay! | |
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DanceWme said: banks said: He was the manager of Immature, B2k and now Marques and Omarion Now if them other two guys LDB and Romeo that was in Immature with MH come out, im done! I thought Romeo (of Immature/IMx) WAS gay. Who knows. | |
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And the fallout begins...
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Lammastide said: This is a hot ghetto mess if I've EVER seen one.
I've never been a fan of that whole Immature/B2K camp, so I don't really know any of the players. But I feel so sad for all parties involved. There is LOTS of healing, accountability, etc., that needs to take place in this circle. And, for all the recovery this Raz kid seems to believe he's experienced, there's something quite curious about a guy who goes on Noah's Arc as an expression of the comfort he has with his... heterosexuality , or levels this kinda stuff -- true or false -- in a public forum like youtube amid attempts to reconcile with family. Clearly, this boy, bless his heart, needs as much help as the rest of them. I hope they all get it. [Edited 12/25/07 0:02am] You are 100% dead on with that assessment. I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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SexyBeautifulOne said: And the fallout begins...
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SexyBeautifulOne said: And the fallout begins...
WTH..... | |
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SexyBeautifulOne said: And the fallout begins...
I love this guy! He should do a video with Chris Crocker. All humor aside, though, dude is telling the TRUTH! This is just insanity. Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
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Lammastide said: SexyBeautifulOne said: And the fallout begins...
I love this guy! He should do a video with Chris Crocker. All humor aside, though, dude is telling the TRUTH! This is just insanity. No, the killer is, he posted a video a few days ago about childhood traumas affecting our adulthoods...his examples were the Sisters Spears! He's good! | |
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SexyBeautifulOne said: Lammastide said: I love this guy! He should do a video with Chris Crocker. All humor aside, though, dude is telling the TRUTH! This is just insanity. No, the killer is, he posted a video a few days ago about childhood traumas affecting our adulthoods...his examples were the Sisters Spears! He's good! Wow. Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
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SexyBeautifulOne said: Lammastide said: I love this guy! He should do a video with Chris Crocker. All humor aside, though, dude is telling the TRUTH! This is just insanity. No, the killer is, he posted a video a few days ago about childhood traumas affecting our adulthoods...his examples were the Sisters Spears! He's good! He's very good and so on point. Not to mention funny but he was dead on it with this Chris Stokes case. I hope the media gets involved in this case. I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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Shit's really going down, Perez Hilton is reporting about it on his front page.
http://perezhilton.com/ I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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SexyBeautifulOne said: And the fallout begins...
I'm surprised P's folks didn't get this vid pulled. | |
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Raz-B said something that I didn't pay attention to when I first saw the clip until I saw it again a few minutes ago. He said, "Im a real man. im not gay". Part of me wonders what's in his mind to think that just because someone is gay, it doesn't make them a man. That's deception at its best right there. I'm a gay man who served in the U.S. Marine Corps for 8 years. It doesn't get anymore "manly" than that. I just hate hearing such ignorant shit like what he said in that clip. I'm sorry homeboy went through what he went through but it's apparent to me that he's got some unresolved issues going on within him that needs to be addressed. Personally, my gaydar rings loudly when I see Raz-B so I think he needs to be real with himself. If he isn't gay, then cool but that way of thinking about being a real man needs to be worked on IMHO. I just hope he finds peace through all of this. I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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purplecam said: Raz-B said something that I didn't pay attention to when I first saw the clip until I saw it again a few minutes ago. He said, "Im a real man. im not gay". Part of me wonders what's in his mind to think that just because someone is gay, it doesn't make them a man. That's deception at its best right there. I'm a gay man who served in the U.S. Marine Corps for 8 years. It doesn't get anymore "manly" than that. I just hate hearing such ignorant shit like what he said in that clip. I'm sorry homeboy went through what he went through but it's apparent to me that he's got some unresolved issues going on within him that needs to be addressed. Personally, my gaydar rings loudly when I see Raz-B so I think he needs to be real with himself. If he isn't gay, then cool but that way of thinking about being a real man needs to be worked on IMHO. I just hope he finds peace through all of this.
He's a confused little boy who's been turned out by the industry and pimped by his parents. Grown, educated, and sane gay men that feel that way should bother you. | |
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Dance said: purplecam said: Raz-B said something that I didn't pay attention to when I first saw the clip until I saw it again a few minutes ago. He said, "Im a real man. im not gay". Part of me wonders what's in his mind to think that just because someone is gay, it doesn't make them a man. That's deception at its best right there. I'm a gay man who served in the U.S. Marine Corps for 8 years. It doesn't get anymore "manly" than that. I just hate hearing such ignorant shit like what he said in that clip. I'm sorry homeboy went through what he went through but it's apparent to me that he's got some unresolved issues going on within him that needs to be addressed. Personally, my gaydar rings loudly when I see Raz-B so I think he needs to be real with himself. If he isn't gay, then cool but that way of thinking about being a real man needs to be worked on IMHO. I just hope he finds peace through all of this.
He's a confused little boy who's been turned out by the industry and pimped by his parents. Grown, educated, and sane gay men that feel that way should bother you. Oh don't get it twisted , it does bother me. As I think about it, it's all that he went through that's got him to thinking the way that he does and it's sad as hell. My prayers are with him and those affected by child molestation. NO child should have to go through that shit. I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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TonyVanDam said: DanceWme said: It has recently been revealed that Omarion was molested by both Chris Stokes and Marques Houston when he was younger. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omarion There are 2 ways to look at it: 1. All of these n****s is gay! OR 2. They were only F***ing For Tracks and STILL didn't get pay! As much as I love the characters from Boondocks, I fail to see the joke here. | |
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DanceWme said: SexyBeautifulOne said: And the fallout begins...
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SexyBeautifulOne said: And the fallout begins...
B Scott is hillarious. | |
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It's spreading... and people are responding...I'd really hate to be Chris Stokes, right about now!
She's a bit long winded but at around 4:50...she puts it out there and lays it all on the line and makes you think! The almost (un)funny thing is the "damage control" teams are on Christmas break and by the time they get around to this...it'll be entirely too late. Stick a fork in 'im...he's done!!! | |
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SexyBeautifulOne said: It's spreading... and people are responding...I'd really hate to be Chris Stokes, right about now!
She's a bit long winded but at around 4:50...she puts it out there and lays it all on the line and makes you think! The almost (un)funny thing is the "damage control" teams are on Christmas break and by the time they get around to this...it'll be entirely too late. Stick a fork in 'im...he's done!!! Sounds like it was a strategic move on Raz-B's part. If that's the case, then that was a smart move. I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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all i can say is 4 of the videos in the most watched today on youtube are about this if they were gonna try and do damage control they might as well give up With Love there is no Death | |
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Why are there so many nuts at YouTube who think that this has something to do with being gay? I'm stunned when they comment that "its cool if he (the molester) is gay but just don't do it with little boys"... When a man molests a little girl I never hear people say that "its okay to be straight, just don't be straight with little girls." | |
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The story has been going around on other Blogs for sometime now. It is really sad.
----- sosgemini said: DanceWme said: It has recently been revealed that Omarion was molested by both Chris Stokes and Marques Houston when he was younger. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omarion releaved by whom? anybody can put stuff on wiki...im not saying that it never happened but we need to take whatever ends up on wiki with a grain of salt... i think it's totally inappropriate for this situation to be played out on youtube. if you want justice then file a civil lawsuit...while i sympathize with any victim of abuse i find it disturbing and dangerous for our society if these types of situations are played out the way that it is. | |
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Co-sign this kid has major issues. I can't imagine the anger is must feel.
----- Dance said: purplecam said: Raz-B said something that I didn't pay attention to when I first saw the clip until I saw it again a few minutes ago. He said, "Im a real man. im not gay". Part of me wonders what's in his mind to think that just because someone is gay, it doesn't make them a man. That's deception at its best right there. I'm a gay man who served in the U.S. Marine Corps for 8 years. It doesn't get anymore "manly" than that. I just hate hearing such ignorant shit like what he said in that clip. I'm sorry homeboy went through what he went through but it's apparent to me that he's got some unresolved issues going on within him that needs to be addressed. Personally, my gaydar rings loudly when I see Raz-B so I think he needs to be real with himself. If he isn't gay, then cool but that way of thinking about being a real man needs to be worked on IMHO. I just hope he finds peace through all of this.
He's a confused little boy who's been turned out by the industry and pimped by his parents. Grown, educated, and sane gay men that feel that way should bother you. | |
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Chris Stokes has responded:
http://www.sohh.com/artic....php/13288 Chirs Stokes, former B2K manager, has issued a response to the claims of child molestation made by Raz-B and his brother. Stokes says the two have alterior motives. As SOHH previously reported, a few video clips surfaced on the internet in the midst of talks surrounding a B2K reality show that would feature Raz-B, Lil' Fizz, and J-Boog. On one clip, Raz (born DeMario Thornton) is on the phone breaking the news to the family of Marques Houston, who is also a protege of Chris Stokes. "It started one day when Chris said, 'Let me touch you,'" Raz-B explains. He says he was only 11 or 12 years-old at the time. Stokes issued a statement today, in which he says the claims of molestation "hold no merit." He went on to say the two may be motivated by money. "I have recently stopped financially supporting both individuals along with assisting them with their criminal and legal matters which leads me to believe they are resentful and looking to benefit financially from this." On another clip, Raz's brother Ricardo "Ricky Romance" Thornton tells his side. "Chris made me take showers with the other boys," he said. "All that little sh-t that my brother was introduced to was brought to me first and I blocked that sh-t." Ricardo went on to say, "I kinda knew what was going on over there and yet I took my brother over to Chris. I didn't protect him." Stokes says these statements have "slandered" him and that he will "take all legal routes to protect myself, my family and my four children." He further dismisses the accusations by pointing to an incident that took place a short time ago. "It's also quite ironic that these statements were made only 2 weeks after they were denied admittance by a venue for an event I hosted in Beverly Hills." | |
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