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Frank Zappa, Cosmic Debris, live!

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #1 posted 12/15/07 8:40am

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ok. i watched this. pretty funky. not a Zappa fan but that was entertaining. biggrin

ok is this my 1st step to recovery 2freaky? redface
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Reply #2 posted 12/15/07 9:00am

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CHIC0 said:

ok. i watched this. pretty funky. not a Zappa fan but that was entertaining. biggrin

ok is this my 1st step to recovery 2freaky? redface


eek
You must not be a music fan then
Zappa is the greatest composer EVER!

If you think Prince is a genius; try listening to zappa.

If you don't own Hot rats BUY IT NOW!
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Reply #3 posted 12/15/07 9:16am

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Ah Chico, we all must learn grasshopper.

woowoo
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Reply #4 posted 12/15/07 12:24pm

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fcukthepolice said:

CHIC0 said:

ok. i watched this. pretty funky. not a Zappa fan but that was entertaining. biggrin

ok is this my 1st step to recovery 2freaky? redface


eek
You must not be a music fan then
Zappa is the greatest composer EVER!

If you think Prince is a genius; try listening to zappa.

If you don't own Hot rats BUY IT NOW!


who's Prince? confuse

i don't dislike Zappa...just never got into his music. give me a chance here. lol
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Reply #5 posted 12/15/07 12:24pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

Ah Chico, we all must learn grasshopper.

woowoo



innocent thanks oh wise one. wink
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Reply #6 posted 12/15/07 12:36pm

fcukthepolice

CHIC0 said:

fcukthepolice said:



eek
You must not be a music fan then
Zappa is the greatest composer EVER!

If you think Prince is a genius; try listening to zappa.

If you don't own Hot rats BUY IT NOW!


who's Prince? confuse

i don't dislike Zappa...just never got into his music. give me a chance here. lol

You MUST!

It will enrich your life

If i knew how to do it i would email you some tracks i have.
Watermelon in easter hey is STUNNING!
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Reply #7 posted 12/15/07 1:38pm

SenseOfDoubt

Thanks for the vid!

I loved the man (well, I still do), but I do not listen to his (post MOI) output too often anymore. I hope the "zappa feeling" comes back one day.
Anyway, the (original) MOI is still among my faves (Freak Out, Abs. Free, We are.., Uncle Meat, Burnt Weeny Sandwich, Weasels...). I prefer this albums very much over his later work Overnite Sensation, Apostrophe, Roxy, and so on.
Youtube serves up a lot Zappa, lot of gems there. If youtube had been around 7, 8 years ago, I would have been in heaven.

has anybody heard the Zappa Wazoo record thats out now? Live performance(s) with the Grand Wazoo stuff. I have heard very positive things about it.

When I put on post MOI Zappa, its Jazz From Hell, You Are What You Is and Joe's Garage... and sometimes Broadway The Hardway.
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Reply #8 posted 12/15/07 1:41pm

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There's an old Mike Douglas clip where Douglad is treating Zappa pretty bad. People forget, the guy was classically trained, could write sheet music, loved classical music, hated cookie cutter pop and rock and railed against it, supported free speech when democrats became the thought police. Zappa was our friend.
All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #9 posted 12/15/07 1:46pm

SenseOfDoubt

2freaky4church1 said:

There's an old Mike Douglas clip where Douglad is treating Zappa pretty bad. People forget, the guy was classically trained, could write sheet music, loved classical music, hated cookie cutter pop and rock and railed against it, supported free speech when democrats became the thought police. Zappa was our friend.


Have you seen the discussion with Candy Stroud (think that was her name) during the age of the PMRC? Pretty funny, that is.
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Reply #10 posted 12/15/07 1:50pm

fcukthepolice

SenseOfDoubt said:

Thanks for the vid!

I loved the man (well, I still do), but I do not listen to his (post MOI) output too often anymore. I hope the "zappa feeling" comes back one day.
Anyway, the (original) MOI is still among my faves (Freak Out, Abs. Free, We are.., Uncle Meat, Burnt Weeny Sandwich, Weasels...). I prefer this albums very much over his later work Overnite Sensation, Apostrophe, Roxy, and so on.
Youtube serves up a lot Zappa, lot of gems there. If youtube had been around 7, 8 years ago, I would have been in heaven.

has anybody heard the Zappa Wazoo record thats out now? Live performance(s) with the Grand Wazoo stuff. I have heard very positive things about it.

When I put on post MOI Zappa, its Jazz From Hell, You Are What You Is and Joe's Garage... and sometimes Broadway The Hardway.


I agree. I just bought wazoo. Not listened to all yet but SOUNDS GREAT so far.

I would recommend getting zappa on vinyl. The cds have weird reverb and added stuff.

Roxy sounds amazing on vinyl. MUTANT guitar sounds; just as zappa wanted. BRILLIANT!
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Reply #11 posted 12/15/07 1:52pm

fcukthepolice

2freaky4church1 said:

There's an old Mike Douglas clip where Douglad is treating Zappa pretty bad. People forget, the guy was classically trained, could write sheet music, loved classical music, hated cookie cutter pop and rock and railed against it, supported free speech when democrats became the thought police. Zappa was our friend.



so true.

He could see where things were headed. I used to disagree with NO censorship but now i know why it's essential. Civil liberties must come first and we are losing them day by day with new laws passed

FIGHT THE POWER
RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE!
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Reply #12 posted 12/15/07 2:19pm

MsLegs

fcukthepolice said:

2freaky4church1 said:

There's an old Mike Douglas clip where Douglad is treating Zappa pretty bad. People forget, the guy was classically trained, could write sheet music, loved classical music, hated cookie cutter pop and rock and railed against it, supported free speech when democrats became the thought police. Zappa was our friend.



so true.

He could see where things were headed. I used to disagree with NO censorship but now i know why it's essential. Civil liberties must come first and we are losing them day by day with new laws passed

FIGHT THE POWER
RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE!


thumbs up!
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Reply #13 posted 12/15/07 2:21pm

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Ummm, Zappa is the shit.

Hot Rats > than many many many albums
Kick the old school joint 4 the true funk soldiers.

1. Sign 'o' the Times
2. 1999
3. Dirty Mind
4. Parade
5. Purple Rain
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Reply #14 posted 12/15/07 2:25pm

squiddyren

Pretty good. The backing vocals don't compare to those on the record, but it's somethin' different and I respect that. The live solo killed. cool Zappa could pick a guitar.
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Reply #15 posted 12/15/07 2:34pm

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fcukthepolice said:

CHIC0 said:



who's Prince? confuse

i don't dislike Zappa...just never got into his music. give me a chance here. lol

You MUST!

It will enrich your life

If i knew how to do it i would email you some tracks i have.
Watermelon in easter hey is STUNNING!


hmmm
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Reply #16 posted 12/15/07 3:28pm

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Thanks a lot, it is always a pleasure to hear his music. his style was special, challenging, free-spirited, innovative. Zappa rocks! cool
"Girly Man Man Man..... Kill her kill her kill her"
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Reply #17 posted 12/16/07 11:15am

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fcukthepolice said:


If you think Prince is a genius; try listening to zappa.

Most won't "hear" it.

tA

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"Ya see, we're not interested in what you know...but what you are willing to learn. C'mon y'all."
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Reply #18 posted 12/16/07 11:19am

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A Zappa retrospective.
Performances & compositions from various periods.




...Brown Shoes Don't Make It (From '67's Absolutely Free - after the fact video)




...King Kong ('68 Mothers of Invention)




...In The Sky ('68 Amazingly strange sounding, but nice, vocal by bassist Roy Estrada)




...Montana ('73 Notice George Duke scuffling to get the Mini-Moog's oscillators in tune)




...Florentine Pogen ('74 w/George Duke - keys, Chester Thompson - drums, Ruth Underwood - percussion)




...Inca Roads ('74 featuring George Duke's vocals)




...Stinkfoot ('74)




...Black Napkins ('77 w/Adrian Belew on guitar)




...Stevie's Spanking ('82 w/Steve Vai - guitar)




...Stairway To Heaven ('88)




...Watermelon in Easter Hay ('88)




...Uncle Remus ('88)

You should also check out George Duke's arrangement on this piece (along w/Echinda's Arf) from his The Aura Will Prevail album.




...The Yellow Shark Overture ('92)


Someone uploaded the orignal Peaches en Regalia (from Hot Rats thumbs up! ) video but the playback is sketchy.
Luckily I downloaded a better version of it some months ago.


Such a shame he had to leave the country to play what he really wanted (modern orchestral music).


tA

peace Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431
[Edited 12/16/07 12:43pm]
"Ya see, we're not interested in what you know...but what you are willing to learn. C'mon y'all."
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Reply #19 posted 12/16/07 1:00pm

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Yellow Shark. worship
All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #20 posted 12/16/07 3:48pm

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theAudience said:

fcukthepolice said:


If you think Prince is a genius; try listening to zappa.

Most won't "hear" it.
tA


mad wtf you tryin' to say?!?! chair
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Reply #21 posted 12/16/07 6:20pm

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SenseOfDoubt said:

Thanks for the vid!

I loved the man (well, I still do), but I do not listen to his (post MOI) output too often anymore. I hope the "zappa feeling" comes back one day.
Anyway, the (original) MOI is still among my faves (Freak Out, Abs. Free, We are.., Uncle Meat, Burnt Weeny Sandwich, Weasels...). I prefer this albums very much over his later work Overnite Sensation, Apostrophe, Roxy, and so on.
Youtube serves up a lot Zappa, lot of gems there. If youtube had been around 7, 8 years ago, I would have been in heaven.

has anybody heard the Zappa Wazoo record thats out now? Live performance(s) with the Grand Wazoo stuff. I have heard very positive things about it.

When I put on post MOI Zappa, its Jazz From Hell, You Are What You Is and Joe's Garage... and sometimes Broadway The Hardway.


omfg

I have to find this!!! drool

Yeah, i submerged myself into Zappa's work for about three years and still never heard everything this man has created. People talk about Prince being prolific but musically Zappa was eons passed what P was doing back then and could never ever (that's right folks, you read it right) never ever compare to Zappa as a writer. The only thing P has on Zappa is the Funk and that's about it besides the whole mystery man, Svengali thing that he does so well....anyways, lol i hope that "Zappa Feeling" returns to me too. : )
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Reply #22 posted 12/16/07 7:36pm

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CHIC0 said:

theAudience said:


Most won't "hear" it.
tA


mad wtf you tryin' to say?!?! chair

I said MOST (the kool-aid party types), not specifically YOU. disbelief


tA

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"Ya see, we're not interested in what you know...but what you are willing to learn. C'mon y'all."
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Reply #23 posted 12/16/07 7:41pm

magnificentsyn
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theAudience said:

CHIC0 said:



mad wtf you tryin' to say?!?! chair

I said MOST (the kool-aid party types), especially you! YOU. disbelief


tA

peace Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431


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Reply #24 posted 12/16/07 8:44pm

MsLegs

theAudience said:

A Zappa retrospective.
Performances & compositions from various periods.




...Brown Shoes Don't Make It (From '67's Absolutely Free - after the fact video)




...King Kong ('68 Mothers of Invention)




...In The Sky ('68 Amazingly strange sounding, but nice, vocal by bassist Roy Estrada)




...Montana ('73 Notice George Duke scuffling to get the Mini-Moog's oscillators in tune)




...Florentine Pogen ('74 w/George Duke - keys, Chester Thompson - drums, Ruth Underwood - percussion)




...Inca Roads ('74 featuring George Duke's vocals)




...Stinkfoot ('74)




...Black Napkins ('77 w/Adrian Belew on guitar)




...Stevie's Spanking ('82 w/Steve Vai - guitar)




...Stairway To Heaven ('88)




...Watermelon in Easter Hay ('88)




...Uncle Remus ('88)

You should also check out George Duke's arrangement on this piece (along w/Echinda's Arf) from his The Aura Will Prevail album.




...The Yellow Shark Overture ('92)


Someone uploaded the orignal Peaches en Regalia (from Hot Rats thumbs up! ) video but the playback is sketchy.
Luckily I downloaded a better version of it some months ago.


Such a shame he had to leave the country to play what he really wanted (modern orchestral music).


tA

peace Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431
[Edited 12/16/07 12:43pm]

bow These are some of the best performance retrospectives I've seen on my man Zappa.
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Reply #25 posted 12/17/07 4:00am

fcukthepolice

magnificentsynthesizer said:

SenseOfDoubt said:

Thanks for the vid!

I loved the man (well, I still do), but I do not listen to his (post MOI) output too often anymore. I hope the "zappa feeling" comes back one day.
Anyway, the (original) MOI is still among my faves (Freak Out, Abs. Free, We are.., Uncle Meat, Burnt Weeny Sandwich, Weasels...). I prefer this albums very much over his later work Overnite Sensation, Apostrophe, Roxy, and so on.
Youtube serves up a lot Zappa, lot of gems there. If youtube had been around 7, 8 years ago, I would have been in heaven.

has anybody heard the Zappa Wazoo record thats out now? Live performance(s) with the Grand Wazoo stuff. I have heard very positive things about it.

When I put on post MOI Zappa, its Jazz From Hell, You Are What You Is and Joe's Garage... and sometimes Broadway The Hardway.


omfg

I have to find this!!! drool

Yeah, i submerged myself into Zappa's work for about three years and still never heard everything this man has created. People talk about Prince being prolific but musically Zappa was eons passed what P was doing back then and could never ever (that's right folks, you read it right) never ever compare to Zappa as a writer. The only thing P has on Zappa is the Funk and that's about it besides the whole mystery man, Svengali thing that he does so well....anyways, lol i hope that "Zappa Feeling" returns to me too. : )


I have it BRAND NEW AND SEALED!
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Reply #26 posted 12/17/07 4:41am

MsLegs

fcukthepolice said:

magnificentsynthesizer said:



omfg

I have to find this!!! drool

Yeah, i submerged myself into Zappa's work for about three years and still never heard everything this man has created. People talk about Prince being prolific but musically Zappa was eons passed what P was doing back then and could never ever (that's right folks, you read it right) never ever compare to Zappa as a writer. The only thing P has on Zappa is the Funk and that's about it besides the whole mystery man, Svengali thing that he does so well....anyways, lol i hope that "Zappa Feeling" returns to me too. : )


I have it BRAND NEW AND SEALED!

Say What!
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Reply #27 posted 12/17/07 9:00am

Miles

Cool thread.

Having just acquired and watched the excellent 'Classic Albums: 'Apostrophe'/'Overnite Sensation' DVD, I sense I am entering a new phase of Zappa listening. His music is amazing in some any ways. For me, his music is head and shoulders above all the '60-'70s jazz-rock/progressive stuff that it may superficially sound like at times, and he is my favourate lead guitarist alongside Hendrix.

As a composer, he covers so much ground, with influences ranging from Varese to Johnny Guitar Watson, Duke Ellington to Spike Jones, but you always know Frank when you hear him.

I am constantly amazed by the organisational skills the man must have possessed in order to compose, arrange, record and perform live such complex, unique music, while am also puzzled as to why his estate are releasing his apparently large vault of unreleased material in such occassional and imo sometimes unsatisfactory quantities and ways. His musical mastery needs to be even better known than it is imo.

His barbed wit and social/ political satire is much missed in these recent years.
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Reply #28 posted 12/17/07 9:04am

MsLegs

Miles said:


His barbed wit and social/ political satire is much missed in these recent years.

Agreed. Zappa's approach is rare these days.
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Reply #29 posted 12/17/07 9:32am

fcukthepolice

Miles said:

Cool thread.

Having just acquired and watched the excellent 'Classic Albums: 'Apostrophe'/'Overnite Sensation' DVD, I sense I am entering a new phase of Zappa listening. His music is amazing in some any ways. For me, his music is head and shoulders above all the '60-'70s jazz-rock/progressive stuff that it may superficially sound like at times, and he is my favourate lead guitarist alongside Hendrix.

As a composer, he covers so much ground, with influences ranging from Varese to Johnny Guitar Watson, Duke Ellington to Spike Jones, but you always know Frank when you hear him.

I am constantly amazed by the organisational skills the man must have possessed in order to compose, arrange, record and perform live such complex, unique music, while am also puzzled as to why his estate are releasing his apparently large vault of unreleased material in such occassional and imo sometimes unsatisfactory quantities and ways. His musical mastery needs to be even better known than it is imo.

His barbed wit and social/ political satire is much missed in these recent years.



Agreed.
I think the zappa family trust is not releasing dozens of albums becuase of the money involved. These would have to be mastered; pressed etc which costs alot of money if it's a box set.

still i would like some of the thousands and thousands of tracks and live recording in the zappa vaults
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