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PrintableNDRU said: He may just have a disease, but it's rather suspicious that the only member of the family to have it is also the one who's constantly getting other procedures, as well, and seems to be the most unstable.
If he had a disease and that was it, people wouldn't be so mean. I don't see people making fun of Michael J Fox. And have you ever seen a family where most members would have this desease? I don´t know, but I have not. Why is it sad? MJ is a celebrity therefore like it or not people are going to talk about him...And especially when you are as eccentric as Michael is, there is NO WAY you can expect people not to speculate.
I'm not saying that people have a right to know these things because whatever is going on with him is his business, but it would help if he would give actual sensible explainations for the changes in his face (instead of coming up with ridiculous reasons like in the Bashir Documentary when he claimed that the changes in his appeareance was due to the work of "God" ). Then again, most people think Michael is a pathological liar so it probably wouldn't do any good if he said anything. I may be mistaken here and I´d have to watch the documentary again to make sure and I don´t have time for that, but I believe Mj said it was work of God when "Bashit" was talking about him looking like a white man or something which in MJ´s mind was probably assosiated with vitiligo and not the surgery and in that case he had the right to say it was a work of God. I think Mike strictly distinguishes between the surgery and the vitiligo, but for us it´s all about his appearance which is automatically artificial, therefore any statement like that causes the reaction of MJ being a liar. Plus let´s not forget the undisputable fact that it has been edited, which you will probably take as a excuse, but it´s a fact. I´d love to see that interview unedited, full version. I still can´t believe Mike would talk about his surgery as if it was a work of art. Mike may be crazy sometimes, but he ain´t stupid to say that. I just don´t know. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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Timmy84 said: Rodya24 said: Have you ever thought that perhaps the disease contributed to his instability? Hell, I would be disturbed if I started to lose pigmentation. I don't know if vitiligo can make you unstable because I've heard people who have it actually don't do the things Michael do nor do they step out in the public like that. It's hard to defend a man's space when one, he's a celebrity, two, he's been infamously alleged to be the king of "nip and tuck", and three, he's afraid or too grossed out to tell people just what the fuck is going on, lol. People here say Michael says this and they STILL don't believe him, but I don't think he says "enough". I mean you can argue that he has said anything but even then it's like "and what..." It's like he's begging you for more explanation that he just don't wanna give you. I can respect it after so long but I still wonder. I'm not trying to evade his space but... damn, Mike... see what happens when you step out and do things without explaining? You get everybody gossiping. And they been doing that for 25 years, don't you think he's tired of it? MJ has had vitiligo for over 20 years and been in the spot light for most of his life, the lil fag should be over it by now. what he really needs is for joe to beat the living shit out of him again. maybe this time it'll take and he'll stop being such a pussy. I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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Rodya24 said: Timmy84 said: I don't know if vitiligo can make you unstable because I've heard people who have it actually don't do the things Michael do nor do they step out in the public like that. It's hard to defend a man's space when one, he's a celebrity, two, he's been infamously alleged to be the king of "nip and tuck", and three, he's afraid or too grossed out to tell people just what the fuck is going on, lol. People here say Michael says this and they STILL don't believe him, but I don't think he says "enough". I mean you can argue that he has said anything but even then it's like "and what..." It's like he's begging you for more explanation that he just don't wanna give you. I can respect it after so long but I still wonder. I'm not trying to evade his space but... damn, Mike... see what happens when you step out and do things without explaining? You get everybody gossiping. And they been doing that for 25 years, don't you think he's tired of it? I have read that vitiligo can cause psychological trauma and stress for the patients. But yeah, I am not blaming vitiligo for all of his antics. But I have a feeling that it has a part in some of them. [Edited 12/17/07 13:56pm] I'm sure he has trauma and stress but it still don't explain his "hot air balloon" comment on the Bashit interview. | |
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Timmy84 said: Rodya24 said: I have read that vitiligo can cause psychological trauma and stress for the patients. But yeah, I am not blaming vitiligo for all of his antics. But I have a feeling that it has a part in some of them. [Edited 12/17/07 13:56pm] I'm sure he has trauma and stress but it still don't explain his "hot air balloon" comment on the Bashit interview.  | |
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dag said: NDRU said: He may just have a disease, but it's rather suspicious that the only member of the family to have it is also the one who's constantly getting other procedures, as well, and seems to be the most unstable.
If he had a disease and that was it, people wouldn't be so mean. I don't see people making fun of Michael J Fox. And have you ever seen a family where most members would have this desease? I don´t know, but I have not. Why is it sad? MJ is a celebrity therefore like it or not people are going to talk about him...And especially when you are as eccentric as Michael is, there is NO WAY you can expect people not to speculate.
I'm not saying that people have a right to know these things because whatever is going on with him is his business, but it would help if he would give actual sensible explainations for the changes in his face (instead of coming up with ridiculous reasons like in the Bashir Documentary when he claimed that the changes in his appeareance was due to the work of "God" ). Then again, most people think Michael is a pathological liar so it probably wouldn't do any good if he said anything. I may be mistaken here and I´d have to watch the documentary again to make sure and I don´t have time for that, but I believe Mj said it was work of God when "Bashit" was talking about him looking like a white man or something which in MJ´s mind was probably assosiated with vitiligo and not the surgery and in that case he had the right to say it was a work of God. I think Mike strictly distinguishes between the surgery and the vitiligo, but for us it´s all about his appearance which is automatically artificial, therefore any statement like that causes the reaction of MJ being a liar. Plus let´s not forget the undisputable fact that it has been edited, which you will probably take as a excuse, but it´s a fact. I´d love to see that interview unedited, full version. I still can´t believe Mike would talk about his surgery as if it was a work of art. Mike may be crazy sometimes, but he ain´t stupid to say that. I just don´t know. Nah, Michael said "no I've changed because of age and diet"... Take that how you like it.  | |
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Timmy84 said: Cinnamon234 said: Why is it sad? MJ is a celebrity therefore like it or not people are going to talk about him...And especially when you are as eccentric as Michael is, there is NO WAY you can expect people not to speculate. I'm not saying that people have a right to know these things because whatever is going on with him is his business, but it would help if he would give actual sensible explainations for the changes in his face (instead of coming up with ridiculous reasons like in the Bashir Documentary when he claimed that the changes in his appeareance was due to the work of "God"  ). Then again, most people think Michael is a pathological liar so it probably wouldn't do any good if he said anything.You know? It's not hard to be a fan but I think it's hard to be Michael because he doesn't explain himself or doesn't know how, I don't know. 
[Edited 12/17/07 13:56pm] I think it is too painful for him to talk about certain things. I wants to, he starts doing it and than as if it becomes too much and he doesn´t finish completely.  "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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Rodya24 said: Timmy84 said: I'm sure he has trauma and stress but it still don't explain his "hot air balloon" comment on the Bashit interview. Lord, you don't understand. When he said that shit, I wanted to come to that screen and smack the white out of his black ass and go "the hell you a black man and you're going on a hot air balloon with Macaulay Culkin, you know you's a lie! "
And "I feed them milk and cookies" like the fool was at a camp with boy scouts. COME ON NOW! I love Michael but he says the most ridiculous stuff! I can't even defend that.
When he's not confronted and he speaks to people, he's articulate but you try to interview him and ask him some HARD questions, he starts acting a fool and then you can't stop him, it's only for entertainment unfortunately. | |
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dag said: Timmy84 said: You know? It's not hard to be a fan but I think it's hard to be Michael because he doesn't explain himself or doesn't know how, I don't know.
[Edited 12/17/07 13:56pm] I think it is too painful for him to talk about certain things. I wants to, he starts doing it and than as if it becomes too much and he doesn´t finish completely. That's Michael for you... please don't leave me "hanging" (no pun intended, Mike). 
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Rodya24 said: PricelessHo said: what's new, seriously?
let the guy be for God's sake. I agree. Same. | |
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GreenLeaves said: Rodya24 said: I agree. Same. MJ should of applied that logic to jordy | |
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Timmy84 said: Rodya24 said: Lord, you don't understand. When he said that shit, I wanted to come to that screen and smack the white out of his black ass and go "the hell you a black man and you're going on a hot air balloon with Macaulay Culkin, you know you's a lie! "
And "I feed them milk and cookies" like the fool was at a camp with boy scouts. COME ON NOW! I love Michael but he says the most ridiculous stuff! I can't even defend that.
When he's not confronted and he speaks to people, he's articulate but you try to interview him and ask him some HARD questions, he starts acting a fool and then you can't stop him, it's only for entertainment unfortunately. Me neither. The worst however was when he claimed that he only had two nose jobs  There was just no way I could even attempt to defend that 'cause I knew it was bulls*it. I think Michael would probably be better off just declining to comment when asked questions like that in the future.
fcukthepolice said: MJ should of applied that logic to jordy Knock it off already. It's really not funny. [Edited 12/17/07 14:13pm] "And When The Groove Is Dead And Gone, You Know That Love Survives, So We Can Rock Forever" RIP MJ 
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fcukthepolice said: GreenLeaves said: Same. MJ should of applied that logic to jordy Okay - what the fuck does any of that have to do with the subject at hand, or the commentary you just issued a direct reply to?  | |
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Cinnamon234 said: Me neither. The worst however was when he claimed that he only had two nose jobs
There was just no way I could even attempt to defend that 'cause I knew it was bulls*it. I think Michael would probably be better off just declining to comment when asked questions like that in the future.
That's it right there. I think he was good at that until 1993 and all hell broke loose and it hasn't really subsided since.[Edited 12/17/07 14:14pm] | |
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Cinnamon234 said:[quote] Timmy84 said: Me neither. The worst however was when he claimed that he only had two nose jobs There was just no way I could even attempt to defend that 'cause I knew it was bulls*it. I think Michael would probably be better off just declining to comment when asked questions like that in the future.
fcukthepolice said: MJ should of applied that logic to jordy Knock it off already. It's really not funny. [Edited 12/17/07 14:13pm] I know; it's not funny The point is jacko fanatics talk about leave him alone; well what about the hurt he's caused to others? Pedos have to accept some hatred | |
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fcukthepolice said: Cinnamon234 said: Knock it off already. It's really not funny. [Edited 12/17/07 14:13pm] I know; it's not funny The point is jacko fanatics talk about leave him alone; well what about the hurt he's caused to others? Pedos have to accept some hatred Dude, I agree with you on a lot of issues in politics, etc. However, I disagree with you on the case of Michael Jackson. I recommend that you read the court transcripts before labeling him a pedophile. | |
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Lord, you don't understand. When he said that shit, I wanted to come to that screen and smack the white out of his black ass and go "the hell you a black man and you're going on a hot air balloon with Macaulay Culkin, you know you's a lie! "
And "I feed them milk and cookies" like the fool was at a camp with boy scouts. COME ON NOW! I love Michael but he says the most ridiculous stuff! I can't even defend that. When he's not confronted and he speaks to people, he's articulate but you try to interview him and ask him some HARD questions, he starts acting a fool and then you can't stop him, it's only for entertainment unfortunately. You´re hilarious.
On the other hand, fcuckthepolice, you are not funny, you are annoying. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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fcukthepolice said: Cinnamon234 said: Knock it off already. It's really not funny. [Edited 12/17/07 14:13pm] I know; it's not funny The point is jacko fanatics talk about leave him alone; well what about the hurt he's caused to others? Pedos have to accept some hatred The hurt that he's caused to others? Yeah okay. I do understand why lot of people think that Michael is a pedophille and I myself have had doubts but I'm not going to sit here like so many others and say that I know he's a pedo FOR SURE until I see some concreate proof (I.e. video, audio,picture,etc.). The thing is so many of you will say MJ Fanatics like myself are delusional when it comes to him but at least I can back up what I say about Michael and those allegations with actual FACTS from those transcripts. Michael detractors like yourself on the other hand will swear up and down that they know for A FACT that he's a pedo, but that's ridiculous because you have no proof. Unless you've seen some actual proof or unless you are Michael, Jordan or Gavin then you are just speculating like everyone else. [Edited 12/17/07 14:28pm] [Edited 12/17/07 14:31pm] "And When The Groove Is Dead And Gone, You Know That Love Survives, So We Can Rock Forever" RIP MJ
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Timmy84 said: NDRU said: He may just have a disease, but it's rather suspicious that the only member of the family to have it is also the one who's constantly getting other procedures, as well, and seems to be the most unstable.
If he had a disease and that was it, people wouldn't be so mean. I don't see people making fun of Michael J Fox. But see that's the thing. Michael never says anything. Michael J. Fox HAD to make it known he had Parkinson's because people were actually joking that he was on crack! With Jackson, it's whatever. exactly, Michael Jackson is so weird he acts as if he doesn't even understand why people think he's weird. My Legacy
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NDRU said: Timmy84 said: But see that's the thing. Michael never says anything. Michael J. Fox HAD to make it known he had Parkinson's because people were actually joking that he was on crack! With Jackson, it's whatever. exactly, Michael Jackson is so weird he acts as if he doesn't even understand why people think he's weird. I know. It's like when he writes a song about why people are invading his privacy... well when you have Post-Its on your face, what are people gonna do? Stop 'cause you say "stop"? I don't think so. Ain't nothing wrong with being weird but I find denial about it wrong. | |
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NDRU said: Timmy84 said: But see that's the thing. Michael never says anything. Michael J. Fox HAD to make it known he had Parkinson's because people were actually joking that he was on crack! With Jackson, it's whatever. exactly, Michael Jackson is so weird he acts as if he doesn't even understand why people think he's weird. So what if he's weird? I don't understand why it's such a problem for some people. As long as he's not hurting anyone, then I don't see what the problem is. Look, only MJ knows why he does the things he does or behaves the way he does. I don't think any of us will ever truly understand him. He's just too complicated of a person to ever fully understand. There will always be some mystery and confusion surrounding him and I don't think he'd have it any other way. "And When The Groove Is Dead And Gone, You Know That Love Survives, So We Can Rock Forever" RIP MJ
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Cinnamon234 said: NDRU said: exactly, Michael Jackson is so weird he acts as if he doesn't even understand why people think he's weird. So what if he's weird? I don't understand why it's such a problem for some people. As long as he's not hurting anyone, then I don't see what the problem is. Look, only MJ knows why he does the things he does or behaves the way he does. I don't think any of us will ever truly understand him. He's just too complicated of a person to ever fully understand. There will always be some mystery and confusion surrounding him and I don't think he'd have it any other way. He probably wanted it that way from the get-go. | |
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Cinnamon234 said: NDRU said: exactly, Michael Jackson is so weird he acts as if he doesn't even understand why people think he's weird. So what if he's weird? I don't understand why it's such a problem for some people. As long as he's not hurting anyone, then I don't see what the problem is. Look, only MJ knows why he does the things he does or behaves the way he does. I don't think any of us will ever truly understand him. He's just too complicated of a person to ever fully understand. There will always be some mystery and confusion surrounding him and I don't think he'd have it any other way. Nothing wrong with being weird, I like weird. But he brings up questions about what should the public support. We're partly responsible for his (appearing to be) very very unhealthy. And there is some question as to whether he may even be dangerous. My Legacy
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Timmy84 said: I'm sure he has trauma and stress but it still don't explain his "hot air balloon" comment on the Bashit interview.
Why do you keep harping about this "hot air balloon" thing! You've never been on a "hot air balloon"?? You should do so... it's great! And there is even footage of him on a hot air balloon! | |
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NDRU said: Cinnamon234 said: So what if he's weird? I don't understand why it's such a problem for some people. As long as he's not hurting anyone, then I don't see what the problem is. Look, only MJ knows why he does the things he does or behaves the way he does. I don't think any of us will ever truly understand him. He's just too complicated of a person to ever fully understand. There will always be some mystery and confusion surrounding him and I don't think he'd have it any other way. Nothing wrong with being weird, I like weird. But he brings up questions about what should the public support. We're partly responsible for his (appearing to be) very very unhealthy. And there is some question as to whether he may even be dangerous. I seriously doubt he is dangerous. As for the child molestation charges, he was acquitted. But like someone said, you have to make up your own mind whether or not he is a pedophile. As for him being a father, even the people who have accused him of being a pedophile (i.e. Martin Bashir) have admitted that he is a good father to his three children. | |
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PatrickS77 said: Timmy84 said: I'm sure he has trauma and stress but it still don't explain his "hot air balloon" comment on the Bashit interview.
Why do you keep harping about this "hot air balloon" thing! You've never been on a "hot air balloon"?? You should do so... it's great! And there is even footage of him on a hot air balloon! Why didn't he show it on his Private Home Movies then? 
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Cinnamon234 said: Me neither. The worst however was when he claimed that he only had two nose jobs
There was just no way I could even attempt to defend that 'cause I knew it was bulls*it. I think Michael would probably be better off just declining to comment when asked questions like that in the future.
Well, maybe he meant two major nose jobs and rest was only touch up things!? Or he simply didn't want to talk about it further! [Edited 12/17/07 14:53pm] | |
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PatrickS77 said:[quote] Cinnamon234 said: Timmy84 said: Me neither. The worst however was when he claimed that he only had two nose jobs There was just no way I could even attempt to defend that 'cause I knew it was bulls*it. I think Michael would probably be better off just declining to comment when asked questions like that in the future.
Well, maybe he meant two major nose jobs and rest was only touch up things!? Or he simply didn't want to talk about it further! He shouldn't even talk about it. I still don't get why he even agreed to do the motherfucking interview. | |
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Timmy84 said: PatrickS77 said: Well, maybe he meant two major nose jobs and rest was only touch up things!? Or he simply didn't want to talk about it further! He shouldn't even talk about it. I still don't get why he even agreed to do the motherfucking interview. I am of the belief that he was as high as a kite during the Invincible era.
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PatrickS77 said: Well, maybe he meant two major nose jobs and rest was only touch up things!? Or he simply didn't want to talk about it further!
So you're telling me that you honestly believe he's only had two major nose jobs in his entire life? Maybe he only had two nose jobs done for the month lol, but seriously there's just no way that's all he's had done in total. He was lying plain and simple and I found that to be really annoying. I am a big supporter of his, but I do not like the fact that he got on national TV and blatantly lied like that. [Edited 12/17/07 14:59pm] "And When The Groove Is Dead And Gone, You Know That Love Survives, So We Can Rock Forever" RIP MJ
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Rodya24 said: NDRU said: Nothing wrong with being weird, I like weird. But he brings up questions about what should the public support. We're partly responsible for his (appearing to be) very very unhealthy. And there is some question as to whether he may even be dangerous. I seriously doubt he is dangerous. As for the child molestation charges, he was acquitted. But like someone said, you have to make up your own mind whether or not he is a pedophile. As for him being a father, even the people who have accused him of being a pedophile (i.e. Martin Bashir) have admitted that he is a good father to his three children. I don't know or assume anything, but he raises far more questions than he answers. And the questions he raises are about his being a possible threat to himself and to children. That's why we can't just leave him alone, though in some ways if we did it would probably be the best thing for him (like Britney). My Legacy
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