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Printablelastdecember said: TotalAlisa said: i always wonder why people bring up mariah or madonna and say janet should follow their formula.... ITS not true....
I just ask for you guys to stop comparing or say that janet needs to follow the music strategies of madonna or mariah... its NOT CUTE>.. every time a jj thread gets started you will hear one of the two names mentioned..... [Edited 12/11/07 8:58am] Take a look at the post, im not saying she SHOULD follow what Mariah did, SHE IS following what Mariah did, same guy doing the executive producinng, very similar Production lineup for both women. Not really - JD produced a lot of Mimi. | |
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VoicesCarry said: lastdecember said: My only issue with the producers and sometimes using multiple ones, is that the albums dont synch well, its like you are getting hit by everyones sounds, which is why i thought "Mimi" though a good record was far from being solid work from Mariah, and this happens alot when you just get the flava of the month/year producers. Though LA is executive producing he should have been able to corral "mimi" into a solid album but he didnt, though a big seller, album wise it wasnt very memorable. So i hope he is more in "tune" with putting together a solid final product this time, and not just a "seller". I thought Mimi was her best album since Butterfly, and one of her best overall, but I guess that's just me.  Butterfly i thought was stronger except for that good awful Prince Cover, i just think Mariah needs to go for a more Dance sound as oppsoed to the typical RB thing shes been doing, its played out at this point for everyone. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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VoicesCarry said: lastdecember said: Take a look at the post, im not saying she SHOULD follow what Mariah did, SHE IS following what Mariah did, same guy doing the executive producinng, very similar Production lineup for both women. Not really - JD produced a lot of Mimi. with the exception of JD, everyone on that list was in on the Mimi recording and the new tracks done, its only a question of who will make it, and JD might actually NOT make mariahs album either. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: VoicesCarry said: Not really - JD produced a lot of Mimi. with the exception of JD, everyone on that list was in on the Mimi recording and the new tracks done, its only a question of who will make it, and JD might actually NOT make mariahs album either. Wow... that'll be a double whammy for him! | |
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VoicesCarry said: purplecam said: Thanks for the info VoicesCarry. Am I the only reading this info and not excited by any of this? Seeing that JJ and TL aren't going to be on this is a HUGE bummer for me. Her best stuff is with them. The only tolerable songs on the last 3 albums are the ones that JJ and TL did and I won't mention the 80's and 90's. I love me some Janet but she better pull out a HUGE rabbit from that hat cause it's not looking good IMHO.
See, I feel the opposite. I think JJ & TL are *over* as producers (when was the last time they produced something truly interesting, or even exciting?), and if she wants to stay fresh and alive as an artist, it's clear she had to go back to the drawing board. I will always love her work with them, but I felt it was time for something new. This shows me that she is willing to stray from her formula. Her best stuff is with them, and it likely always will be, but they're no longer the best producers for her to work with. [Edited 12/11/07 8:32am] I don't agree at all. I love the trio of JJ, Jimmy, and TL. I think the problem with the last two albums, though I loved them both, was that JJ & TL were either relegated to only handling a handful of tracks, or did not have their usual control over the entire theme/cohesiveness. "Damita Jo" had a whole mess of "hotter, younger" producers (kanye, etc) while "20 YO" was obviously JD's vision, with JJ and TL just fiddling the knobs. When they have set out as the chief creative producers from top to bottom (Control, Janet, TVR, RN1814), the albums have always sounded crazy fresh and ahead of their time (save for All For You, but that's a whole other bag of shit). Whenever they appoint the guest producers/songwriters/musicians (ie Avila Brothers), the tracks are awesome. I just can't imagine a Janet record without them. At this point, with all the "news" from both camps, I can't decide which is sounding like a bigger letdown: Madonna or Janet. Janet without JJ and TL don't make sense to me. Madonna with fuckin Justin, Timbaland and Pharrell = recipe for overproduced, recyclable, d-o-a booolshit. At least Erykah (and god willing, D'Angelo!) is dropping in 08! I'll leave it alone babe...just be me | |
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lastdecember said: TotalAlisa said: i always wonder why people bring up mariah or madonna and say janet should follow their formula.... ITS not true....
I just ask for you guys to stop comparing or say that janet needs to follow the music strategies of madonna or mariah... its NOT CUTE>.. every time a jj thread gets started you will hear one of the two names mentioned..... [Edited 12/11/07 8:58am] Take a look at the post, im not saying she SHOULD follow what Mariah did, SHE IS following what Mariah did, same guy doing the executive producinng, very similar Production lineup for both women. okay how is having the same producers following.... mariah went to virgin and worked with jimmy... but i don't consider her following janet during that time.. they are in the same company... and industry so its going to happen with every artist... and that does NOT mean the albums will sound the same.... |
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TotalAlisa said: lastdecember said: Take a look at the post, im not saying she SHOULD follow what Mariah did, SHE IS following what Mariah did, same guy doing the executive producinng, very similar Production lineup for both women. okay how is having the same producers following.... mariah went to virgin and worked with jimmy... but i don't consider her following janet during that time.. they are in the same company... and industry so its going to happen with every artist... and that does NOT mean the albums will sound the same.... Im saying the technique is the same, the whole blueprint that they did with "mimi" the marketing etc...if you think that isnt what LA Reid is going for than you are wrong, this is a "commercial" do or die record just like it was for Mariah, though its Janets debut for the label she is coming off "commercial" failures in terms of the "public" thats all im saying, just like Mariah was in the same trouble coming off Glitter and Charmbracelet and those being "commercial" let downs and in the publics eye she was a done deal. As for using JJ on Glitter, they were brought in because Glitter was supposed to be a 80's period album, and what better producers were there for RB in the 80's than Jam and Lewis. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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[Edited 12/11/07 7:56am] Ne-Yo? URRGH. Jazze Pha is a DOPE producer. I hope his stuff makes the album. Please no Darkchild. That guy sucks. I can do without Storch and Akon as well. Pharrell may do something cool. Johnta Austin is a good songwriter, he wrote "We Belong Together" for Mimi right? I also like the track he did with Tupac, which was the remix of "Changed Man" off the Better Dayz album, produced by Jazze Pha. Maybe him and Jazze are working together on the Janet stuff. If so that will be some good material, they work well together. |
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lastdecember said: TotalAlisa said: okay how is having the same producers following.... mariah went to virgin and worked with jimmy... but i don't consider her following janet during that time.. they are in the same company... and industry so its going to happen with every artist... and that does NOT mean the albums will sound the same.... Im saying the technique is the same, the whole blueprint that they did with "mimi" the marketing etc...if you think that isnt what LA Reid is going for than you are wrong, this is a "commercial" do or die record just like it was for Mariah, though its Janets debut for the label she is coming off "commercial" failures in terms of the "public" thats all im saying, just like Mariah was in the same trouble coming off Glitter and Charmbracelet and those being "commercial" let downs and in the publics eye she was a done deal. As for using JJ on Glitter, they were brought in because Glitter was supposed to be a 80's period album, and what better producers were there for RB in the 80's than Jam and Lewis. WHATEVER...  you think you know everything and clearly don't that is why i did not bother reading this entire post... someone already cleared things up when they said mimi is working more with JD |
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TotalAlisa said: lastdecember said: Im saying the technique is the same, the whole blueprint that they did with "mimi" the marketing etc...if you think that isnt what LA Reid is going for than you are wrong, this is a "commercial" do or die record just like it was for Mariah, though its Janets debut for the label she is coming off "commercial" failures in terms of the "public" thats all im saying, just like Mariah was in the same trouble coming off Glitter and Charmbracelet and those being "commercial" let downs and in the publics eye she was a done deal. As for using JJ on Glitter, they were brought in because Glitter was supposed to be a 80's period album, and what better producers were there for RB in the 80's than Jam and Lewis. WHATEVER... you think you know everything and clearly don't that is why i did not bother reading this entire post... someone already cleared things up when they said mimi is working more with JDNo kidding shes working with JD which is why i said with the EXCEPTION of JD, but EVERYONE on that list was in on the MIMI sessions and the new album sessions, exact same producers, just because they all dont make the record doesnt mean they didnt all work on tracks together. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: TotalAlisa said: WHATEVER... you think you know everything and clearly don't that is why i did not bother reading this entire post... someone already cleared things up when they said mimi is working more with JDNo kidding shes working with JD which is why i said with the EXCEPTION of JD, but EVERYONE on that list was in on the MIMI sessions and the new album sessions, exact same producers, just because they all dont make the record doesnt mean they didnt all work on tracks together. janet is definitly doing her OWN thing... and mariah has worked with a lot of unknown people and she wont tell you who they are... so janets album is going to be different w/ diff. strategy.... |
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TotalAlisa said: lastdecember said: No kidding shes working with JD which is why i said with the EXCEPTION of JD, but EVERYONE on that list was in on the MIMI sessions and the new album sessions, exact same producers, just because they all dont make the record doesnt mean they didnt all work on tracks together. janet is definitly doing her OWN thing... and mariah has worked with a lot of unknown people and she wont tell you who they are... so janets album is going to be different w/ diff. strategy.... ok believe what you want but the strategy is the same, the music, of course is different. But if you dont think they are going for "mimi" effect to re-boost janet than youre missing the point. LA Reid proved he could do it for Mariah and now he is implementing the same for Janet, thats all. To me "sales" wise i could care less just make a good album [Edited 12/11/07 9:42am] "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: TotalAlisa said: janet is definitly doing her OWN thing... and mariah has worked with a lot of unknown people and she wont tell you who they are... so janets album is going to be different w/ diff. strategy.... ok believe what you want but the strategy is the same, the music, of course is different. But if you dont think they are going for "mimi" effect to re-boost janet than youre missing the point. LA Reid proved he could do it for Mariah and now he is implementing the same for Janet, thats all. To me "sales" wise i could care less just make a good album [Edited 12/11/07 9:42am] THE mimi album had JD, pharrell, and many other producers on the album.... Janet does NOT have JD or pharrell... so this album is NOT like hers.... you can believe what you want... or think you know everything.... but im pretty sure guys like you get into lots of arguments with people... |
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TotalAlisa said: lastdecember said: ok believe what you want but the strategy is the same, the music, of course is different. But if you dont think they are going for "mimi" effect to re-boost janet than youre missing the point. LA Reid proved he could do it for Mariah and now he is implementing the same for Janet, thats all. To me "sales" wise i could care less just make a good album [Edited 12/11/07 9:42am] THE mimi album had JD, pharrell, and many other producers on the album.... Janet does NOT have JD or pharrell... so this album is NOT like hers.... you can believe what you want... or think you know everything.... but im pretty sure guys like you get into lots of arguments with people... Im telling you what it is whether you wanna hear it than thats your choice, everyone on that list worked on Mimi and is working on the new album, they are the producers and flava of the year thats why they are there case closed. The POINT which u are missing is that the IDEA of this record is the same IDEA as was for Mimi, not the music, not the sound, BUT THE IDEA, its called get me back into the public eye and music world ears again. And if you think that lineup of producers isnt a grasp at that it well you just dont get the way business works these days. Its do or die, bottom of the ninth, fourth quarter, whatever you wanna call it, but it has to succeed plain and simple. and by the way Pharrel is listed as an "uncomfirmed" producer for the album along with the rest of the list all of which have "unconfirmed" tracks for the new mariah. [Edited 12/11/07 9:53am] "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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badujunkie said: VoicesCarry said: See, I feel the opposite. I think JJ & TL are *over* as producers (when was the last time they produced something truly interesting, or even exciting?), and if she wants to stay fresh and alive as an artist, it's clear she had to go back to the drawing board. I will always love her work with them, but I felt it was time for something new. This shows me that she is willing to stray from her formula. Her best stuff is with them, and it likely always will be, but they're no longer the best producers for her to work with. [Edited 12/11/07 8:32am] I don't agree at all. I love the trio of JJ, Jimmy, and TL. I think the problem with the last two albums, though I loved them both, was that JJ & TL were either relegated to only handling a handful of tracks, or did not have their usual control over the entire theme/cohesiveness. "Damita Jo" had a whole mess of "hotter, younger" producers (kanye, etc) while "20 YO" was obviously JD's vision, with JJ and TL just fiddling the knobs. When they have set out as the chief creative producers from top to bottom (Control, Janet, TVR, RN1814), the albums have always sounded crazy fresh and ahead of their time (save for All For You, but that's a whole other bag of shit). Whenever they appoint the guest producers/songwriters/musicians (ie Avila Brothers), the tracks are awesome. I just can't imagine a Janet record without them. At this point, with all the "news" from both camps, I can't decide which is sounding like a bigger letdown: Madonna or Janet. Janet without JJ and TL don't make sense to me. Madonna with fuckin Justin, Timbaland and Pharrell = recipe for overproduced, recyclable, d-o-a booolshit. At least Erykah (and god willing, D'Angelo!) is dropping in 08! Their protegees, the Avila Brothers, do a better job of replicating the J&L sound than J&L themselves do these days. They don't have any fresh ideas or anything new to do anymore. It happens to the best of producers. Really, she should have stopped working with them after All For You, but at least it's happening now. I'm glad to see Janet moving foward with a new team instead of floundering with the same carbon copy of their previous stuff. It makes sense to me to try new things when you've been working with the same producers for 20 years and the majority of people think it's tired and you can't milk the partnership for anything else. Their output for other artists pretty much backs up the point that it's not just their work with Janet that has suffered since the early part of this decade, it's their production work as a whole. If you can't see Janet without Jam & Lewis, it's her own fault for not diversifying earlier when she should have. She needs to erase that perception with this record. [Edited 12/11/07 10:43am] | |
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VoicesCarry said: lastdecember said: My only issue with the producers and sometimes using multiple ones, is that the albums dont synch well, its like you are getting hit by everyones sounds, which is why i thought "Mimi" though a good record was far from being solid work from Mariah, and this happens alot when you just get the flava of the month/year producers. Though LA is executive producing he should have been able to corral "mimi" into a solid album but he didnt, though a big seller, album wise it wasnt very memorable. So i hope he is more in "tune" with putting together a solid final product this time, and not just a "seller". I thought Mimi was her best album since Butterfly, and one of her best overall, but I guess that's just me. I agree also. love is a fate resigned memories mar my mind love it is a fate resigned Over futile odds and laughed at by the Gods and now the final frame Love is a losing game | |
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badujunkie said: VoicesCarry said: See, I feel the opposite. I think JJ & TL are *over* as producers (when was the last time they produced something truly interesting, or even exciting?), and if she wants to stay fresh and alive as an artist, it's clear she had to go back to the drawing board. I will always love her work with them, but I felt it was time for something new. This shows me that she is willing to stray from her formula. Her best stuff is with them, and it likely always will be, but they're no longer the best producers for her to work with. [Edited 12/11/07 8:32am] I don't agree at all. I love the trio of JJ, Jimmy, and TL. I think the problem with the last two albums, though I loved them both, was that JJ & TL were either relegated to only handling a handful of tracks, or did not have their usual control over the entire theme/cohesiveness. "Damita Jo" had a whole mess of "hotter, younger" producers (kanye, etc) while "20 YO" was obviously JD's vision, with JJ and TL just fiddling the knobs. When they have set out as the chief creative producers from top to bottom (Control, Janet, TVR, RN1814), the albums have always sounded crazy fresh and ahead of their time (save for All For You, but that's a whole other bag of shit). Whenever they appoint the guest producers/songwriters/musicians (ie Avila Brothers), the tracks are awesome. I just can't imagine a Janet record without them. At this point, with all the "news" from both camps, I can't decide which is sounding like a bigger letdown: Madonna or Janet. Janet without JJ and TL don't make sense to me. Madonna with fuckin Justin, Timbaland and Pharrell = recipe for overproduced, recyclable, d-o-a booolshit. At least Erykah (and god willing, D'Angelo!) is dropping in 08! Thank God I'm not the only one who feels this way. I agree with you on everything you said badujunkie, including the Madonna and Erykah stuff. I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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Another problem that I have with this is that they (the producers) are going to try and give Janet a Hip-Hop sound and she doesn't sound right doing that kind of stuff. She's dance-pop with some funk undertones, at least her first albums with JJ & TL. I am willing to see what the likes of Pharell and Ne-Yo can do but the question marks aren't leaving my head with this project.
And lastdecember is on point, LA is going to follow the Mariah route with this one. With all them producers on board for this, you'd be silly not to see it. [Edited 12/11/07 11:36am] I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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purplecam said: Another problem that I have with this is that they (the producers) are going to try and give Janet a Hip-Hop sound and she doesn't sound right doing that kind of stuff. She's dance-pop with some funk undertones, at least her first albums with JJ & TL. I am willing to see what the likes of Pharell and Ne-Yo can do but the question marks aren't leaving my head with this project.
I don't think so. Polow does pop, as does Scott Storch, Johnta Austin, The Dream, Ne-Yo, and even Pharrell. [Edited 12/11/07 11:41am] | |
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As long as the first single is not like another call on me and hits people hard like promiscous girl or sexyback, she'll be fine | |
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alphastreet said: As long as the first single is not like another call on me and hits people hard like promiscous girl or sexyback, she'll be fine
True but she has to hit people with something memorable to her fans, she has to do a combo of both really more leaning towards your fan base, believe it or not the second single is almost as crucial as the first because if you miss on the first, you have to hit on the second "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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 Ooh yay, I can't wait!  | |
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Why are you mad? It's encouraging to see a Jackson put new music out. As much shit as I sometime talk about Janet, I hope her album turns out well. | |
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Rodya24 said: paisleypark4 said: :mad2:mad2: :mad2:mad2: :mad2:mad2: :mad2:mad2: :mad2:mad2: :mad2:mad2: :mad2:mad2: :mad2:mad2: :mad2:mad2: :mad2:mad2: :mad2:mad2: :mad2:mad2: :mad2:mad2: :mad2:mad2: :mad2:mad2: :mad2:mad2: :mad2:mad2: :mad2
Why are you mad? It's encouraging to see a Jackson put new music out. As much shit as I sometime talk about Janet, I hope her album turns out well. Check the bolded part. | |
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Timmy84 said: Rodya24 said: Why are you mad? It's encouraging to see a Jackson put new music out. As much shit as I sometime talk about Janet, I hope her album turns out well. Check the bolded part. 
I still don't understand. Like VoicesCarry said, it's not like Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis have been phenomenal on her last three albums. It's time to move on. | |
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Rodya24 said: Timmy84 said: Check the bolded part.
I still don't understand. Like VoicesCarry said, it's not like Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis have been phenomenal on her last three albums. It's time to move on. NO NO NO NO!!!!  Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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I just heard that the single will be on the net this saturday | |
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paisleypark4 said: Rodya24 said:
I still don't understand. Like VoicesCarry said, it's not like Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis have been phenomenal on her last three albums. It's time to move on. NO NO NO NO!!!! 
I know you've liked some of the non-J&L tracks she's done over the past 10 years. | |
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