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Printablealso according to the above site these artists are eligible for nomination for the first time next year:
Anthrax The Art of Noise Bananarama Billy Bragg Bon Jovi Butthole Surfers Corrosion of Conformity Dio Europe Frankie Goes to Hollywood Howard Jones James k.d. lang Katrina and the Waves Lita Ford Naked Raygun New Edition NOFX Pantera Paul Rodgers Pulp Queensrÿche Ratt Run DMC Slayer The Smiths Social Distortion Stevie Ray Vaughan The Style Council Suicidal Tendencies Zebra <<<<< Run DMC would be the obvious front runner out of that seemingly light class. Also Bon Jovi . [Edited 12/6/07 7:52am] | |
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Vainandy is right. The famous bridge from "Planet Rock" is a musical riff taken from Kraftwerk's "Transatlantic Express" but its not the basis of the instrumental or the rap version of that song. The melody, the rhythm arrangements, everything else was totally original.
OK, I would like to shift gears. Let's name some acts or principals who deserve to be inducted but have yet to be named. As I said on another thread, I cannot see why this duo has not been inducted yet into the Rock And Roll Hall of Fame (along with co-collaborator Thom Bell): 
Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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newpower99 said: Run DMC would be the obvious front runner out of that seemingly light class. Also Bon Jovi.
I also would say New Edition should get heavy consideration, especially when you factor in the solo careers of Bobby Brown, Johnny Gill, Ralph Tresvant and Bell Biv DeVoe under the N.E. umbrella. THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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Najee said: newpower99 said: Run DMC would be the obvious front runner out of that seemingly light class. Also Bon Jovi.
I also would say New Edition should get heavy consideration, especially when you factor in the solo careers of Bobby Brown, Johnny Gill, Ralph Tresvant and Bell Biv DeVoe under the N.E. umbrella. If NE get nominated next year, this should be interesting. And speaking of Gamble & Huff, maybe they got a good chance now: the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame has just brought back the Non-Performer category so hopefully they'll be inducted next year. 
The HOF got a lot of flack for taking the Sidemen and Non-Performer categories off. When you have more performances and less awards, the thing is actually boring (except for Prince's hell-raising rendition of "While My Guitar Gently Weeps", lol). [Edited 12/6/07 8:10am] | |
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newpower99 said: Run DMC would be the obvious front runner out of that seemingly light class. Also Bon Jovi . [Edited 12/6/07 7:52am] Bon Jovi. Lord. Times are getting hard for the R&RHOF now they're coming to the 80s. Talent had fallen way down the totem pole by that time. Oh and by the way, the best act on that list are actually The Smiths, but knowing how these things work it wouldn't surprise me if Bananarama pipped 'em all to the post. [Edited 12/6/07 8:06am] “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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Timmy84 said: If NE get nominated this year, this should be interesting. And speaking of Gamble & Huff, maybe they got a good chance now: the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame has just brought back the Non-Performer category so hopefully they'll be inducted next year.
I would say New Edition has a very strong case. As a group, they were very successful in the 1980s with every album selling at least one million units (not to mention 1996's "Home Again" album, which sold more than two million units). Not to mention the blueprint of their success was modeled in the pop market (New Kids On The Block, which fathered the 98 Degrees, Backstreet Boys and N'Sync-type acts) and soul markets through the end of the '90s. And then factor in their success as solo acts -- Bobby Brown, Johnny Gill, Bell Biv DeVoe and Ralph Tresvant are the only group in popular music besides The Beatles where each member had a platinum album as a solo artist -- and it would be fairly difficult for them not to be inducted. There's no reason not to have The Philly Sound represented in the Rock And Roll Hall of Fame. Kenny Gamble, Leon Huff and Thom Bell (as well as McFadden and Whitehead) pretty much defined soul music in the 1970s with their many songs. [Edited 12/6/07 8:18am] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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Another act who is now eligible and who should be inducted is this man:
Luther Vandross [Edited 12/6/07 8:27am] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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ehuffnsd said: Timmy84 said: I know you are somewhere  that they "don't" induct Ms. Ciccone.  hall of fame like the baseball or football hall of fames are based on who is the best in their field and most of the time that is proven with satisitics or fame. who besides the Beatles Michael Jackson and Elvis have been more successful than Madonna? or more famous? though you may not like what she has done there is no doubt based on the scope of her carear the length of it, the high sales volumes and her cultural impact there is no reason she shouldn't be in the hall of fame. I know Anx would like to see Joan in there but when comes down to it she's just like all those sports players who might be good but just don't make it into their hall of fame. Madge belongs. You know, I used to think the way you do about this, but when I actually sat back and thought about it, they ought to change the name to the "Music Hall Of Fame." The whole point of a Hall Of Fame is for it to be exclusive. If everyone can get in, then it doesn't mean much, right? The Ronettes? What are they doing there? They never played rock n roll. Madonna? Nope, sorry. Joan Jett was a rocker and one of the great frontwomen so she belongs there. If this was the Music Hall Of Fame, or the Pop Hall Of Fame, then yeah, put Madonna in there because she would belong. But not in the ROCK N ROLL Hall Of Fame. They should either change the name or change their policy because it doesn't make sense to let in EVERYBODY. | |
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vainandy said: Neither is rap but Grandmaster Flash was inducted. If they are going to stretch the genres, Donna Summer should have been in long before Grandmaster Flash. The Rock And Roll Hall of Fame is not stretching genres as much as some people are being way too literal with the term "rock 'n' roll." In this context, "rock 'n' roll" and "rock" are used as euphemisms and as an umbrella for "popular U.S.-based music." Look at the history of inductions and you will see country, jazz and blues artists who also entered. [Edited 12/6/07 8:36am] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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newpower99 said: also according to the above site these artists are eligible for nomination for the first time next year:
Anthrax The Art of Noise Bananarama Billy Bragg Bon Jovi Butthole Surfers Corrosion of Conformity Dio Europe Frankie Goes to Hollywood Howard Jones James k.d. lang Katrina and the Waves Lita Ford Naked Raygun New Edition NOFX Pantera Paul Rodgers Pulp Queensrÿche Ratt Run DMC Slayer The Smiths Social Distortion Stevie Ray Vaughan The Style Council Suicidal Tendencies Zebra <<<<< Run DMC would be the obvious front runner out of that seemingly light class. Also Bon Jovi . [Edited 12/6/07 7:52am] Yeah i agree from that group only Run Dmc and Bon Jovi,stevie ray would even have a shot at the ballot "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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guitarslinger44 said: ehuffnsd said: hall of fame like the baseball or football hall of fames are based on who is the best in their field and most of the time that is proven with satisitics or fame. who besides the Beatles Michael Jackson and Elvis have been more successful than Madonna? or more famous? though you may not like what she has done there is no doubt based on the scope of her carear the length of it, the high sales volumes and her cultural impact there is no reason she shouldn't be in the hall of fame. I know Anx would like to see Joan in there but when comes down to it she's just like all those sports players who might be good but just don't make it into their hall of fame. Madge belongs. You know, I used to think the way you do about this, but when I actually sat back and thought about it, they ought to change the name to the "Music Hall Of Fame." The whole point of a Hall Of Fame is for it to be exclusive. If everyone can get in, then it doesn't mean much, right? The Ronettes? What are they doing there? They never played rock n roll. Madonna? Nope, sorry. Joan Jett was a rocker and one of the great frontwomen so she belongs there. If this was the Music Hall Of Fame, or the Pop Hall Of Fame, then yeah, put Madonna in there because she would belong. But not in the ROCK N ROLL Hall Of Fame. They should either change the name or change their policy because it doesn't make sense to let in EVERYBODY. But Rock n Roll is the umbrella term for American Pop Music after 1953. Pop, RnB, Soul, Rock, Disco, Metal, Dance, Rap and whatever else are just subgenres. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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RipHer2Shreds said: I don't think he was arguing against Madonna, just making a (valid) argument for why The Runaways should be in there...and they should. They were - and continue to be (just ask The Donnas) - an influential band.
You may be right, but I've also read comments on this site where people are making what I call odd reasonings on why acts like Madonna, Diana Ross, Janet Jackson, etc. should NOT be inducted. It's mostly based on being too literal with the term "rock 'n' roll" as a subgenre and not looking at how it's also used as a euphemism/umbrella term for "U.S.-based popular music." [Edited 12/6/07 9:35am] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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ehuffnsd said: guitarslinger44 said: You know, I used to think the way you do about this, but when I actually sat back and thought about it, they ought to change the name to the "Music Hall Of Fame." The whole point of a Hall Of Fame is for it to be exclusive. If everyone can get in, then it doesn't mean much, right? The Ronettes? What are they doing there? They never played rock n roll. Madonna? Nope, sorry. Joan Jett was a rocker and one of the great frontwomen so she belongs there. If this was the Music Hall Of Fame, or the Pop Hall Of Fame, then yeah, put Madonna in there because she would belong. But not in the ROCK N ROLL Hall Of Fame. They should either change the name or change their policy because it doesn't make sense to let in EVERYBODY. But Rock n Roll is the umbrella term for American Pop Music after 1953. Pop, RnB, Soul, Rock, Disco, Metal, Dance, Rap and whatever else are just subgenres. I don't buy it. When was the last time you heard anyone refer to Madonna, Donna Summer, or Luther Vandross as "rock n roll" artists? You may be right, but I've also read comments on this site where people are making what I call odd reasonings on why acts like Madonna, Diana Ross, Janet Jackson, etc. should NOT be inducted. It's mostly based on being too literal with the term "rock 'n' roll" as a subgenre and not looking at how it's also used as a euphemism/umbrella term for "U.S.-based popular music."
Again, I ask, when was the last time someone referred to Madonna, Donna Summer, or Janet Jackson as "rock n roll?" People use rock n roll as a blanket term to cover the various ROCK genres, not really to refer to hip hop or disco music. | |
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guitarslinger44 said:[quote] ehuffnsd said: I don't buy it. When was the last time you heard anyone refer to Madonna, Donna Summer, or Luther Vandross as "rock n roll" artists? You may be right, but I've also read comments on this site where people are making what I call odd reasonings on why acts like Madonna, Diana Ross, Janet Jackson, etc. should NOT be inducted. It's mostly based on being too literal with the term "rock 'n' roll" as a subgenre and not looking at how it's also used as a euphemism/umbrella term for "U.S.-based popular music."
Again, I ask, when was the last time someone referred to Madonna, Donna Summer, or Janet Jackson as "rock n roll?" People use rock n roll as a blanket term to cover the various ROCK genres, not really to refer to hip hop or disco music. i refer to all as rock music. as does my family that listens to country. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: guitarslinger44 said: Again, I ask, when was the last time someone referred to Madonna, Donna Summer, or Janet Jackson as "rock n roll?" People use rock n roll as a blanket term to cover the various ROCK genres, not really to refer to hip hop or disco music. i refer to all as rock music. as does my family that listens to country. Well, that's cool, but that's just you. That doesn't mean the rest of the world sees it as you do. To be fair, a lot of the country music produced today IS rock music, but with a twang and some pedal steel guitars applied, but I don't get this whole referring to EVERY genre of music as "rock." [Edited 12/6/07 10:57am] | |
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guitarslinger44 said: ehuffnsd said: i refer to all as rock music. as does my family that listens to country. Well, that's cool, but that's just you. That doesn't mean the rest of the world sees it as you do. i have a feeling a lot of people do. you should ask around. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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guitarslinger44 said: Again, I ask, when was the last time someone referred to Madonna, Donna Summer, or Janet Jackson as "rock n roll?" People use rock n roll as a blanket term to cover the various ROCK genres, not really to refer to hip hop or disco music.
I've heard "rock 'n' roll" used in the context of a catchphrase to sum up comtemporary, mainstream, U.S.-based or -influenced music plenty of times over the past 30 years. A context used, by many times I may add, by the likes of Dick Clark, Casey Kasem and Wolfman Jack. Those artists you named are not rock artists, but they are contemporary, mainstream, U.S.-based or -influenced artists. But then again, I always understood "rock 'n' roll" (an umbrella term) to be different from "rock" (a subgenre of contemporary, mainstream, mostly white-accepted music) in the first place. The phase of music that was called rock 'n' roll in the 1950s drew from a variety of sources, primarily blues, R&B, and country, but also gospel, traditional pop, jazz, and folk -- all combined in a simple, blues-based song structure that was fast, danceable and catchy. So I would say the umbrella analogy applies, and evidently one that has been used in the logic of the Rock And Roll Hall of Fame's selections since its first inductions in 1986. And since the music Bill Haley and His Comets, Ike Turner, Chuck Berry, Fats Domino, etc. made is totally different from the music acts like Foreigner, Cream, KISS, etc. made, so I imagine that puts those rock artists in the same situation as Madonna, Janet Jackson, Luther Vandross, etc. Like I said, some people are being too literal with a term when it has been demonstrated over the years that "rock 'n' roll" has been used to describe the overall palatte of U.S. mainstream, contemporary music. [Edited 12/6/07 18:41pm] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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Najee said: Another act who is now eligible and who should be inducted is this man:
Luther Vandross  I think he's a sure bet | |
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