benyamin said:

which album is that on, Head Like a Hole i mean, not sure i have that here

Whitnail said:

Pretty Hate Machine.

As this seems to be the NIN place to be @ P.Org, am i right in saying that the video "We are in This Together now" is one of the most outstanding videos of the last 10 yrs?

benyamin said:

dont have it, but i will make it my business to find it

BTW what is the connection between P and NIN, i would get it if it was the Smashing Pumpkins, but Trent & Prince as some sort of musical buddies :confused:

Trent wouldnt put up with the bullshit that comes along with prince....


besides, trent is making much better quality music than prince these days

Whitnail said:

Prince wanted Trent to remix Loose! Trent agreed, was given ground rules (no looking at Prince in the eye, do not speak until spoken too, etc - usual arrogant little prick bullshit Prince spins like a true diva). Day of remixing, Prince comes to studio, Trent walks out, offers Prince his hand and says "Prince!". Prince assumes Trent's an engineer and walks by. Trent hateth Prince.

Sdldawn said:

You said it.

Whitnail said:

It won an award for best video, but I dunno about going that far! I'd say The Perfect Drug video is way better.

Sdldawn said:

maybe, cant comment as I have not got any of the new material from NIN, main reason being that the earlier stuff from NIN was totally inconsistant and a far cry from being considered critically brilliant or even good for that matter, but i will have a listen to the new stuff.

Whitnail said:

Eh? Which material are we talking about precisely?

benyamin said:

aha, so that is why that sound comes across during the slave song, excuse me if that all sounds abit naive, but i have listened to very little Prince for the last 12 yrs, but the NIN connection has taken me by surprise, makes me wonder with all the connections, that P has never tried something grunge style, after all, Billy Corgan is almost P´s godson, and thinks that he is P into the bargain

benyamin said:

...You're serious?

Man, fuck Prince.

NIN are good, but dont get carried away, they or Trent are not that good, the filler music they make far out weights the great stuff they have, and i am not trying to diss, but it is the simple truth.

plus that story of Prince and Trent is aload of bolox, simply think about it and you will see why, time to take the rosy shades off

Whitnail said:

it was nice knowing you.

Whitnail said:

The Prince and Trent is total truth. It's not a fan rumour, it was in the Press and, not to mention, I was actually first told the story by Prince fans here before I even knew who NIN were. It's well-documented. So time for you to take your rosy shades off in regards to that.

I also think that Trent is hardly guilty of any filler music at all. Stand Trent next to Prince. 7 albums 20 years vs 27 albums 27 years. How many of Prince's 27 albums are fucking shit? LOTS. How many of Trent's are bad? Arguably 1 depending on the fan. You also still have told me which era you regarded as "erratic" - he's only done 7 albums, so tell me which one inconsistent? I only see an artist that grows and whose style matures with time. I see Prince as inconsistent.

Enlighten me, I'm all ears.

benyamin said:

evrything up to the double album with starfucker and we are in this together now, cant remember the exact name of the album, but i am sure it is lying around here somewhere, as for the new music, i cant say, but i look forward to hearing it

Whitnail said:

So you mean The Downward Spiral was "inconsistent" and "a far cry from being considered critically brilliant or even good for that matter"? Even though it's quadruple-platinum and launched Trent's career? If you'd said before that I'd maybe have understood, but if there's one thing that's true it's that most people only know NIN for The Downward Spiral, and nothing else. That said, if you'd said before that, I'd have said "what, broken? the album that won him a grammy?"

From 1992-1995 Trent revolutionised Industrial as a genre; he brought it to the mainstream and without him groups like Manson and Rammstein wouldn't exist.

So much for being a far cry from critical acclaim.

Wow, Trent's really starting to speed things up.

I also can't wait to hear the followup. Year Zero was an amazing album, if it's anything like YZ the next album has to be good.

ProgRocker said:

He really is.

Whitnail said:

When did your opinion on particular musicians and their work become the final word? Apparently, I missed that memo.

This thread is poppin

poppin!

GreenLeaves said:

Seems like they've made amends somewhat. A couple of years ago on the NPG Music Club site, there was a picture of Trent at one of Prince's parties.

Tom said:

Tom said:

Shame that he's started eating kids this christmas.

New update up.

benyamin said:

Good to know.

...As far as that Santa Claus picture - WTF?

benyamin said:

I was dreamin´ when i wrote that, forgive me if it went astray


I got ahold of Year Zero today plus the Pretty Hate Machine, Year Zero is brilliant, especially the 2nd half of the album, very impressive. Brought back some good old memeories which prompted me to listen to Fixed, which was the first exposure i remember having to NIN back in 1995.

it is difficult to determine where Trent`s musical influences come from, and i have always somehow reckoned with Joy Division, and was amused to read today that he actually did part of the soundtrack to the film about the fore mentioned band.

As for Rammstein and Manson, I would say NIN are on a slightly different level, I have seen Rammstein live, good show but NIN musically are on a different level

Anyway, excuse me for the rant last night, my pc crashed after before i could reply back, but having read the post I sent, i dont think it would have been defendable

Whitnail said:

Glad you love Year Zero. Me too. It's incredible live as well. Especially the Great Destroyer.

As for the musical influences, you hit the nail on the head! His influences are Joy Division, Gary Numan, Bauhaus, Skinny Puppy, Ministry and David Bowie.

Year zero is easily in my top five of 07


trent mixed with electronics and piano...