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Printableoneken said: vainandy said: All three groups are way "too black" for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's taste. Cameo might possibly be inducted eventually because of "Word Up" but I doubt it. As for Con Funk Shun.....never.....like I said before.....way "too black". U mean way too soulful for the rock n roll hall of fame's taste. Heck, they performed on the Wattstax DVD and that was a FUNK/SOUL music festival. [Edited 12/5/07 13:00pm] No, he's right. | |
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sosgemini said: phunkdaddy said: Nope. How about for being very talented musicians and planting the seeds known as black rock which evolved into funk even if some of their songs were based on the top ten. sideman induction, sure...but i have yet to witness anything groundbreaking or original from them....and lets not even talk about their stage presence... Their stage presence is great. Hell, they put on a better live show than even Prince. Wild hair, wild clothes, fire, snakes, hard funk, cussing like sailors.....all the good shit.  Prince got all into that choreographed dancing and stuff. Hell, even he was better when his movement was strictly spontaneous.Andy is a four letter word. | |
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oneken said: vainandy said: All three groups are way "too black" for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's taste. Cameo might possibly be inducted eventually because of "Word Up" but I doubt it. As for Con Funk Shun.....never.....like I said before.....way "too black". U mean way too soulful for the rock n roll hall of fame's taste. Heck, they performed on the Wattstax DVD and that was a FUNK/SOUL music festival. [Edited 12/5/07 13:00pm] No, I mean too black for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's taste. Look at the audience at the Wattstax concert. Thousands and thousands and thousands of black people. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame seems to choose artists that have a large white audience. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: No, I mean too black for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's taste. Look at the audience at the Wattstax concert. Thousands and thousands and thousands of black people. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame seems to choose artists that have a large white audience. That is very sad and it shows that Racism is still alive today in America. There are a lot of crappy white bands in the rock n roll hall of fame that don't even have a black following. Why does the mainstream audience put color lines on Funk/Soul music? Even today in music, funk/soul music isn't marketable and won't be in the mainstream media. [Edited 12/5/07 13:16pm] [Edited 12/5/07 13:18pm] [Edited 12/5/07 13:19pm] | |
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vainandy said: No, I mean too black for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's taste. Look at the audience at the Wattstax concert. Thousands and thousands and thousands of black people. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame seems to choose artists that have a large white audience. There are a few exceptions to that rule I can think of... Jackie Wilson Marvin Gaye Bobby Blue Bland Isley Brothers Al Green Grand Master Flash These are the artists in the HOF that I would consider having more black fans than white (I'm not saying they don't have white fans). **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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oneken said: vainandy said: No, I mean too black for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's taste. Look at the audience at the Wattstax concert. Thousands and thousands and thousands of black people. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame seems to choose artists that have a large white audience. That is very sad and it shows that Racism is still alive today in America. There are a lot of crappy white bands in the rock n roll hall of fame that don't even have a black following. Why does mainstream audience put color lines on Funk/Soul music. Even today in music,funk/soul music isn't marketable and won't be in the mainstream. [Edited 12/5/07 13:16pm] Racism is very alive in well in America today. It never left. It got a little better but the major difference between now and the 1960s, is that most racists will not come right out in front of black people and say racist things to their faces. But you should hear them talk when there are no black people around though. You would think that you stepped into a Klan meeting.....especially down here in The South. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Here's a list of HOF inductees. As you can see...VainAndy is probably correct in his assumption.
2007 Performer Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five Patti Smith R.E.M. The Ronettes Van Halen 2006 Performer Black Sabbath Blondie Lynyrd Skynyrd Miles Davis Sex Pistols Lifetime Achievement Herb Alpert and Jerry Moss 2005 Performer Buddy Guy Percy Sledge The O'Jays The Pretenders U2 Lifetime Achievement Frank Barsalona Seymour Stein 2004 Performer Bob Seger George Harrison Jackson Browne Prince The Dells Traffic ZZ Top Lifetime Achievement Jann S. Wenner 2003 Performer AC/DC Elvis Costello & the Attractions Righteous Brothers The Clash The Police Sidemen Benny Benjamin Floyd Cramer Steve Douglas Non-Performer Mo Ostin 2002 Performer Brenda Lee Gene Pitney Isaac Hayes Ramones Talking Heads Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers Sidemen Chet Atkins Non-Performer Jim Stewart 2001 Performer Aerosmith Michael Jackson Paul Simon Queen Ritchie Valens Solomon Burke Steely Dan The Flamingos Sidemen James Burton Johnnie Johnson Non-Performer Chris Blackwell 2000 Performer Bonnie Raitt Earth, Wind & Fire Eric Clapton James Taylor Lovin' Spoonful The Moonglows Early Influence Billie Holiday Nat "King" Cole Sidemen Earl Palmer Hal Blaine James Jamerson King Curtis Scotty Moore Non-Performer Clive Davis 1999 Performer Billy Joel Bruce Springsteen Curtis Mayfield Del Shannon Dusty Springfield Paul McCartney The Staple Singers Early Influence Bob Wills and His Texas Playboys Charles Brown Non-Performer George Martin 1998 Performer Fleetwood Mac Gene Vincent Lloyd Price Santana The Eagles The Mamas and the Papas Early Influence Jelly Roll Morton Non-Performer Allen Toussaint 1997 Performer Buffalo Springfield Crosby Stills and Nash Joni Mitchell Parliament-Funkadelic The (Young) Rascals The Bee Gees The Jackson Five Early Influence Bill Monroe Mahalia Jackson Non-Performer Syd Nathan 1996 Performer David Bowie Gladys Knight and the Pips Jefferson Airplane Little Willie John Pink Floyd The Shirelles The Velvet Underground Early Influence Pete Seeger Non-Performer Tom Donahue 1995 Performer Al Green Frank Zappa Janis Joplin Led Zeppelin Martha and the Vandellas Neil Young The Allman Brothers Band Early Influence The Orioles Non-Performer Paul Ackerman 1994 Performer Bob Marley Duane Eddy Elton John John Lennon Rod Stewart The Animals The Band The Grateful Dead Early Influence Willie Dixon Non-Performer Johnny Otis 1993 Performer Cream Creedence Clearwater Revival Etta James Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers Ruth Brown Sly and the Family Stone The Doors Van Morrison Early Influence Dinah Washington Non-Performer Dick Clark Milt Gabler 1992 Performer Bobby "Blue" Bland Booker T. and the M.G.'s Johnny Cash Sam and Dave The Isley Brothers The Jimi Hendrix Experience The Yardbirds Early Influence Elmore James Professor Longhair Non-Performer Bill Graham Doc Pomus Leo Fender 1991 Performer Ike and Tina Turner Jimmy Reed John Lee Hooker LaVern Baker The Byrds The Impressions Wilson Pickett Early Influence Howlin' Wolf Lifetime Achievement Nesuhi Ertegun Non-Performer Dave Bartholomew Ralph Bass 1990 Performer Bobby Darin Hank Ballard Simon and Garfunkel The Four Seasons The Four Tops The Kinks The Platters The Who Early Influence Charlie Christian Louis Armstrong Ma Rainey Non-Performer Gerry Goffin and Carole King Holland, Dozier and Holland 1989 Performer Dion Otis Redding Stevie Wonder The Rolling Stones The Temptations Early Influence Bessie Smith The Ink Spots The Soul Stirrers Non-Performer Phil Spector 1988 Performer Bob Dylan The Beach Boys The Beatles The Drifters The Supremes Early Influence Lead Belly Les Paul Woody Guthrie Non-Performer Berry Gordy, Jr 1987 Performer Aretha Franklin B.B. King Big Joe Turner Bill Haley Bo Diddley Carl Perkins Clyde McPhatter Eddie Cochran Jackie Wilson Marvin Gaye Muddy Waters Ricky Nelson Roy Orbison Smokey Robinson The Coasters Early Influence Hank Williams Louis Jordan T-Bone Walker Non-Performer Ahmet Ertegun Jerry Leiber and Mike Stoller Jerry Wexler Leonard Chess 1986 Performer Buddy Holly Chuck Berry Elvis Presley Fats Domino James Brown Jerry Lee Lewis Little Richard Ray Charles Sam Cooke The Everly Brothers Early Influence Jimmie Rodgers Jimmy Yancey Robert Johnson Lifetime Achievement John Hammond Non-Performer Alan Freed Sam Phillips **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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vainandy said: No, I mean too black for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's taste. Look at the audience at the Wattstax concert. Thousands and thousands and thousands of black people. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame seems to choose artists that have a large white audience.  Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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The Bar-Kays never really crossed over to popular (white) audiences. That's really what could explain this but the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame is so biased anyway that it doesn't shock me that they don't want to include a funk band like the Bar-Kays. | |
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And if u ever get somewhat close to these type of white people, they will tell u upfront "u already have one strike against u in the world, ure black". I had this experience and I live in the south too.
It's very hard for a black man in America. That is why I think that getting a college education means everything. vainandy said: Racism is very alive in well in America today. It never left. It got a little better but the major difference between now and the 1960s, is that most racists will not come right out in front of black people and say racist things to their faces. But you should hear them talk when there are no black people around though. You would think that you stepped into a Klan meeting.....especially down here in The South. [Edited 12/5/07 13:40pm] [Edited 12/5/07 13:46pm] | |
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daPrettyman said:
Jackie Wilson I think he was on tour with The Big Bopper and Richie Valens during the rock and roll days. A lot of white people love Jackie Wilson. Marvin Gaye
A lot of the more higher class and "elite" white people like to get into Marvin Gaye. Especially when they read rave reviews about his music from white music critics that praise his work. Bobby Blue Bland
A lot of white people love the blues. They consider it "exploring art, the past, and culture". Isley Brothers
Don't forget about their old days with songs like "Twist and Shout" and "This Old Heart of Mine". Lots of white folks loved that. However, you will find very few that have any knowledge of the funk like "Live It Up". The Isley Brothers went through several phases. Al Green
Lots of white people love him too. Grand Master Flash
They never would have made it in back in the day. However, since the 1990s came along and white people got into rap, that's how they made it in. All the rappers, old and new, praise Grandmaster Flash, so naturally their fans will also. I also see Parliament making it in (if they already haven't) because of all the rappers' praises over the years. These are the artists in the HOF that I would consider having more black fans than white (I'm not saying they don't have white fans).
Some of those may have more black fans than white fans, but the rock and roll hall of fame will never let an artist in that has very few white fans. You remember the 1980s. How many white people listened to funk back then unless it was someone like Kool and The Gang who crossed over to pop radio every now and then? Very few white people have even heard of groups like Con Funk Shun, Slave, Skyy, Lakeside, Midnight Star, etc. There's no way in hell they will ever make it in. As for The Barkays, they would make it in before any of those groups I listed because of the Otis Redding connection, even though they aren't the same Barkays that backed Otis Redding. White people knew who Otis Redding was so they might possibly make it in on their name value, but I doubt it. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Exactly, Andy. The best spot they'll be inducted at is as session musicians but I think they deleted that category. I heard they actually were nominated for that category back then but they never were chosen.
IMO, they're Hall of Fame material any damn way. | |
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oneken said:
And if u ever get somewhat close to these type of white people, they will tell u upfront "u already have one strike against u in the world, ure black". I had this experience and I live in the south too. It's very hard for a black man in America. That is why I think that getting a college education means everything. Well, I'm white so when they meet me for the first time, their guard is totally down. Hidden racism is so widespread down here that they think every white person is racist so they aren't prepared for my reaction when they use the word "nigger" every other breath in my presence. It's better than it used to be though. Back in school, they used to call me "nigger lover" and "white nigger" to my face until they saw I would get their asses killed. I would get them in front of a crowd of black people (which were friends of mine) and say....."Motherfucker, call me a nigger lover NOW". The terrified look on their faces was priceless. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: oneken said:
And if u ever get somewhat close to these type of white people, they will tell u upfront "u already have one strike against u in the world, ure black". I had this experience and I live in the south too. It's very hard for a black man in America. That is why I think that getting a college education means everything. Well, I'm white so when they meet me for the first time, their guard is totally down. Hidden racism is so widespread down here that they think every white person is racist so they aren't prepared for my reaction when they use the word "nigger" every other breath in my presence. It's better than it used to be though. Back in school, they used to call me "nigger lover" and "white nigger" to my face until they saw I would get their asses killed. I would get them in front of a crowd of black people (which were friends of mine) and say....."Motherfucker, call me a nigger lover NOW". The terrified look on their faces was priceless. That's the BEST way of retaliation. These fools think they slick. I laugh at people who act all shocked (black people included) when we still get call the 'n' word and all of that bull like "but this is 2007"... uh yeah, duh, just because it's been 50, 60 years since your grandparents encounter it don't mean that it's totally out of the picture because it's not. Should I remind shit on a Bar-Kays thread? You can go to General Discussion and discuss that all day.
But yeah, there is racism in the Hall of Fame. Hell, look at who co-founded the thing: JANN WENNER. Come on now. | |
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Timmy84 said: vainandy said: Well, I'm white so when they meet me for the first time, their guard is totally down. Hidden racism is so widespread down here that they think every white person is racist so they aren't prepared for my reaction when they use the word "nigger" every other breath in my presence. It's better than it used to be though. Back in school, they used to call me "nigger lover" and "white nigger" to my face until they saw I would get their asses killed. I would get them in front of a crowd of black people (which were friends of mine) and say....."Motherfucker, call me a nigger lover NOW". The terrified look on their faces was priceless. That's the BEST way of retaliation. These fools think they slick. I laugh at people who act all shocked (black people included) when we still get call the 'n' word and all of that bull like "but this is 2007"... uh yeah, duh, just because it's been 50, 60 years since your grandparents encounter it don't mean that it's totally out of the picture because it's not. Should I remind shit on a Bar-Kays thread? You can go to General Discussion and discuss that all day.
But yeah, there is racism in the Hall of Fame. Hell, look at who co-founded the thing: JANN WENNER. Come on now. A lot of people think racism is gone because they see these white kids listening to shit hop, wearing these shit hop clothes, and using shit hop phrases. Well, they are doing it because other white kids are doing it so they think it's "cool". I guarantee you, if shit hop ever goes out of style and a white form of music takes back over the mainstream, stick around and see how many of these white kids will be "cool with black people". Just look what happened after the death of disco, which was also a univeral type of music. White people went their way and black people went their way. I was around in the funk days and very few white people were into it besides me. Teena Marie didn't have shit on me. Hell, God gave my whiteness to Shitney and her blackness to me. I was called every "nigger lover", "white trash", "white nigger" in the book and I wore the words with pride. However, hell have mercy on the motherfuckers calling the names if I could ever get my revenge. I was, and still am, a mean motherfucker.
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vainandy said: A lot of people think racism is gone because they see these white kids listening to shit hop, wearing these shit hop clothes, and using shit hop phrases. Well, they are doing it because other white kids are doing it so they think it's "cool". I guarantee you, if shit hop ever goes out of style and a white form of music takes back over the mainstream, stick around and see how many of these white kids will be "cool with black people". Just look what happened after the death of disco, which was also a univeral type of music. White people went their way and black people went their way. I was around in the funk days and very few white people were into it besides me. Teena Marie didn't have shit on me. Hell, God gave my whiteness to Shitney and her blackness to me. I was called every "nigger lover", "white trash", "white nigger" in the book and I wore the words with pride. However, hell have mercy on the motherfuckers calling the names if I could ever get my revenge. I was, and still am, a mean motherfucker.
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vainandy said: The Barkays will never be inducted to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I'm just going to be honest about it. The majority of their fans are black and they have very few white fans. I don't think I've ever seen a black artist in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame that doesn't have a large white fanbase.
I wouldn't make race an issue of it in the context of crossover appeal. The Bar-Kays were never that big in their own market to be considered a heavyweight or a trend-settter. If you name just the top soul bands of the late 1970s and early to mid-1980s (which was essentially their prime), The Bar-Kays would fall behind the likes of The GAP Band, Cameo, The Time and Zapp in terms of relevance/fan interest. They never had the one monster album, a la Midnight Star's "No Parking on the Dancefloor." They certainly didn't have The Commodores', The Jacksons' or Kool & The Gang's across-the-board appeal. I would have a hard time rating them ahead of Atlantic Starr; at least I still hear some of the Sharon Bryant-version songs on '80s soul radio stations and we're not going to mention the success of "Secret Lovers." And considering that most of these acts don't have a chance of getting inducted -- and we haven't even discussed the various other acts that were popular during that period -- and I don't even see how The Bar-Kays can be considered for the Rock And Roll Hall of Fame. And this is coming from someone who is a Bar-Kays fan. It seems like some of the logic of this thread sentiment is based on incidental connections with other hall of fame acts (most of the original band dying in the plane crash with Otis Redding; playing with Isaac Hayes on the "Shaft" soundtrack). The Bar-Kays as we know them are entirely different (both in terms of musical direction and literal physical lineup) than the act bearing the name during those times, and their worthiness should be based on that. And IMO, they fall short of the criteria. [Edited 12/5/07 16:54pm] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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vainandy said: All three groups are way "too black" for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's taste. Cameo might possibly be inducted eventually because of "Word Up" but I doubt it. As for Con Funk Shun.....never.....like I said before.....way "too black".
Like I said earlier, to a degree race (in terms of crossover audience) isn't a factor because neither Con Funk Shun nor The Bar-Kays were considered top-level soul acts for any period during their career -- that makes them an impossibility for the Rock And Roll Hall of Fame. I can name more soul acts who were more successful in the soul market who would be more worthy of induction. [Edited 12/5/07 17:03pm] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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sosgemini said: phunkdaddy said: Nope. How about for being very talented musicians and planting the seeds known as black rock which evolved into funk even if some of their songs were based on the top ten. sideman induction, sure...but i have yet to witness anything groundbreaking or original from them....and lets not even talk about their stage presence... You ever heard of holy ghost or she talks to me with her body. Please do tell the originators of those songs other than the barkays. Don't laugh at my funk
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phunkdaddy said: sosgemini said: sideman induction, sure...but i have yet to witness anything groundbreaking or original from them....and lets not even talk about their stage presence... You ever heard of holy ghost or she talks to me with her body. Please do tell the originators of those songs other than the barkays. I may be putting words into SOS' mouth, but from what I gathered from his statement was The Bar-Kays were not dominant players/trend-setters in any context for soul music during their time. IMO, an act has to be a dominant player/trend-setter for an extended period (image and on-stage presence, commercially and critically lauded music, ingenuity, relevance, influence, etc.) to be worthy of hall of fame consideration. [Edited 12/5/07 17:16pm] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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oneken said: vainandy said: No, I mean too black for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's taste. Look at the audience at the Wattstax concert. Thousands and thousands and thousands of black people. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame seems to choose artists that have a large white audience. That is very sad and it shows that Racism is still alive today in America. There are a lot of crappy white bands in the rock n roll hall of fame that don't even have a black following. Why does the mainstream audience put color lines on Funk/Soul music? Even today in music, funk/soul music isn't marketable and won't be in the mainstream media. [Edited 12/5/07 13:16pm] [Edited 12/5/07 13:18pm] [Edited 12/5/07 13:19pm] You are correct. Since the janet jackson fiasco at the super bowl a few years ago, the super bowl has chosen bascically dinosaur rock and roll artists to perform at the super bowl with the exception of prince last year and he even performed songs that appealed to the white audience(not trying to make it a race thing). Why can't black artists who aren't mega stars like beyonce and janet jackson perform at the super bowl. They already have tom petty and the old fartbreakers performing at this year's super bowl. I have heard of them before but i couldn't name one song they sing. I like some rock artists but why the lack of diversity at big events such as the super bowl. [Edited 12/5/07 17:38pm] Don't laugh at my funk
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lastdecember said: Until Chicago and Hall & Oates get in, the RnR Hall of Fame is still clueless.
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Najee said: vainandy said: All three groups are way "too black" for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's taste. Cameo might possibly be inducted eventually because of "Word Up" but I doubt it. As for Con Funk Shun.....never.....like I said before.....way "too black".
Like I said earlier, to a degree race (in terms of crossover audience) isn't a factor because neither Con Funk Shun nor The Bar-Kays were considered top-level soul acts for any period during their career -- that makes them an impossibility for the Rock And Roll Hall of Fame. I can name more soul acts who were more successful in the soul market who would be more worthy of induction. [Edited 12/5/07 17:03pm] I agree with you as far as criteria for the hall of fame. The barkays nor confunkshun meet that especially a rock and roll hall of fame. The barkays however do have one connection to the r&r hall of fame. Some of the funky duds that the boys wore back in the day are in the r&r hall of fame. One thing that must be admired about the barkays is their resiliency. These guys have lasted 4 decades. They have perservered through personal tragedy and lineup changes throughout the years. Obviously they are not the household name like other legendary bands like parliament, isleys, ewf, rolling stones,etc. but definitely didn't take a backseat to any of these bands on stage. In fact it was legend that a lot of these bands didn't even want to take the same stage with the barkays because they knew they had to bring their A game. Kool & the gang is a perfect example. For the past several years when you though these guys would just ride off into the sunset and collect their checks, larry and james just keep touring and bringing the funk into the next decade. [Edited 12/5/07 17:32pm] Don't laugh at my funk
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vainandy said: No, I mean too black for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's taste. Look at the audience at the Wattstax concert. Thousands and thousands and thousands of black people. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame seems to choose artists that have a large white audience. Most of Motown's best artists are either in the R&RHOF or about to be. I haven't heard anything about Stax's best artists in there. | |
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phunkdaddy said: I agree with you as far as criteria for the hall of fame. The barkays nor confunkshun meet that especially a rock and roll hall of fame. The barkays however do have one connection to the r&r hall of fame. Some of the funky duds that the boys wore back in the day are in the r&r hall of fame.
I doubt that The Bar-Kays would be inducted in a Soul/R&B Music Hall of Fame (if there was ever such an animal), because once again they were never that successful of an act based on definitive and subjective criteria. It seems like the pro-hall of fame logic for the Bar-Kays is based on incidental connections and not on the group's actual relevance in its field. THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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daPrettyman said: Here's a list of HOF inductees. As you can see...VainAndy is probably correct in his assumption.
2007 Performer Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five Patti Smith R.E.M. The Ronettes Van Halen How the f*** did R.E.M. get into the R&RHOF?!? This is sick. The HOF committee will not put KISS in it, but they'll make room for R.E.M. Sad.  | |
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TonyVanDam said: vainandy said: No, I mean too black for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's taste. Look at the audience at the Wattstax concert. Thousands and thousands and thousands of black people. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame seems to choose artists that have a large white audience. Most of Motown's best artists are either in the R&RHOF or about to be. I haven't heard anything about Stax's best artists in there. Sam and Dave, Isaac Hayes, Booker T. and The M.G.s and Otis Redding are in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. You may as well count late 1960s Aretha Franklin and Wilson Pickett in sentiment. THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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Najee said: TonyVanDam said: Most of Motown's best artists are either in the R&RHOF or about to be. I haven't heard anything about Stax's best artists in there. Sam and Dave, Isaac Hayes, Booker T. and The M.G.s and Otis Redding are in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. You may as well count late 1960s Aretha Franklin and Wilson Pickett in sentiment. Yeah, about all of Stax's people are in there except for the Thomases (Rufus & Carla), I think. | |
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Timmy84 said: Najee said: Sam and Dave, Isaac Hayes, Booker T. and The M.G.s and Otis Redding are in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. You may as well count late 1960s Aretha Franklin and Wilson Pickett in sentiment. Yeah, about all of Stax's people are in there except for the Thomases (Rufus & Carla), I think. Since this is the case, why would making room in the HOF for the Bar-Keys have to be so difficult? | |
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TonyVanDam said: Timmy84 said: Yeah, about all of Stax's people are in there except for the Thomases (Rufus & Carla), I think. Since this is the case, why would making room in the HOF for the Bar-Keys have to be so difficult? I guess because unlike Sam & Dave, Isaac, Otis and 'em, they didn't get the crossover push as Najee pointed out.  If they do get inducted, they'll probably be sidemen. I just heard that the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame have suddenly decided to bring that and the Non-Performer inductee categories back.[Edited 12/5/07 18:10pm] | |
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