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Reply #30 posted 11/29/07 9:23am

Graycap23

The show is decent 4 what is is but there is absolutely no REASON 4 this 2 be on TV. It's exploitation 101.
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Reply #31 posted 11/29/07 9:26am

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Graycap23 said:

The show is decent 4 what is is but there is absolutely no REASON 4 this 2 be on TV. It's exploitation 101.
[Edited 11/29/07 9:23am]



What makes it expolitation?


I'm really asking a question and not being argumentative.
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Reply #32 posted 11/29/07 9:33am

Graycap23

Rhondab said:

Graycap23 said:

The show is decent 4 what is is but there is absolutely no REASON 4 this 2 be on TV. It's exploitation 101.
[Edited 11/29/07 9:23am]



What makes it expolitation?


I'm really asking a question and not being argumentative.

Someone is making big $$ off of what is clearly a disfunctional situation. Why not handle this without the TV camaras? There is no reason 4 this 2 be a TV. In addition, Ms. Coles so called talent is very LIMITED.
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Reply #33 posted 11/29/07 9:33am

Empress

Harlepolis said:

Maybe I'm just being old-fashioned but whateva happend to the ol' dignified "keeping your personal biz to yourself? ways?

It is hoodrat-ish and chickenheaded how she let herself/her family be exploited like that,,,and the gain is always the same no matter how you try to sugercoat it: publicity shrug so there, it kills any sincere motive.


I can't help but agree and maybe it is old fashioned, but I would rather be old fashioned than look like some uneducated no-talent person. It's too bad more people don't think this way, but I guess the majority these days want to see people looking like losers and assholes.
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Reply #34 posted 11/29/07 9:59am

Harlepolis

Graycap23 said:

Rhondab said:




What makes it expolitation?


I'm really asking a question and not being argumentative.

Someone is making big $$ off of what is clearly a disfunctional situation. Why not handle this without the TV camaras? There is no reason 4 this 2 be a TV.


Thats what I've been saying all along. This shit has more losses than gains.

And I didn't know that Mario has another show with the same ol' theme eek disbelief
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Reply #35 posted 11/29/07 10:11am

unkemptpueblo

To me this show is about 3 women trying to break destructive cycles, and improve their lives. I think the way that Keysha is using her success as way way to bring her family up with her is actually inspiring.

This season the show isnt so much about her music. Its about her trying to heal her family. I like it.

Its the one 'reality' show that doesnt feel scripted.
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Reply #36 posted 11/29/07 10:16am

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Harlepolis said:

Graycap23 said:


Someone is making big $$ off of what is clearly a disfunctional situation. Why not handle this without the TV camaras? There is no reason 4 this 2 be a TV.


Thats what I've been saying all along. This shit has more losses than gains.

And I didn't know that Mario has another show with the same ol' theme eek disbelief



Mario does not have a show... he was featured on an episode of Intervention because his mother is addicted to heroin...it was very informative
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Reply #37 posted 11/29/07 10:16am

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To me this show is about 3 women trying to break destructive cycles, and improve their lives. I think the way that Keysha is using her success as way way to bring her family up with her is actually inspiring.

This season the show isnt so much about her music. Its about her trying to heal her family. I like it.

Its the one 'reality' show that doesnt feel scripted.




That's how i feel
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Reply #38 posted 11/29/07 10:17am

Harlepolis

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I'll give this so-called hoodrat, chickhead credit for TRYING to do better. What more can we ask of a person?


Do what you wanna do!

I cannot support the expolitation of our people in the media. I simply think that there're waaay MORE effective methods than having the camera rolling in the middle of your living room while the whole network cashes in from your personal issues.

But people nowadays love to put a fancy production on things that should be resolved within close ones instead.
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Reply #39 posted 11/29/07 10:29am

Rhondab

Harlepolis said:

Graycap23 said:


Someone is making big $$ off of what is clearly a disfunctional situation. Why not handle this without the TV camaras? There is no reason 4 this 2 be a TV.


Thats what I've been saying all along. This shit has more losses than gains.

And I didn't know that Mario has another show with the same ol' theme eek disbelief



Mario had one show in partnership with MTV documenting him trying to get his mother into treatment.

As far as this show is concerned, Keyshia is the executive producer of the show.

It is CLEARLY a dysfunctional situation. i would definitely agree but I just see a difference in watching a process of HEALING vs just glorifying continued abuse.


I think both Mario's show and this show is about the process of trying to heal a family, ghetto or not, out of the pits of addiction.

I'm not some super fan of Keyshias but I'm sympathic to her situation. I think some are so caught up in her being from the hood that they can't see a young woman trying NOT to be caught up in the drugs and some of the lifestyles that kept her family in destructive behaviors. This at the heart of what the show is about.


Lastly, to Empress,

It's too bad more people don't think this way, but I guess the majority these days want to see people looking like losers and assholes.


This is really a bit much. confused

Hell I'm one of the very few that probably wrote Bravo about "Being Bobby Brown". Now that was about making money off of addictive, destructive people for entertainment.


At the end of the day, we all have our own stories and pasts. Some find it therupatic to expose their lives and find some relief in believing that even if one person is helped....its a good thing.
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Reply #40 posted 11/29/07 10:34am

Rhondab

Harlepolis said:

Graycap23 said:


Someone is making big $$ off of what is clearly a disfunctional situation. Why not handle this without the TV camaras? There is no reason 4 this 2 be a TV.


Thats what I've been saying all along. This shit has more losses than gains.

And I didn't know that Mario has another show with the same ol' theme eek disbelief



Mario had one show in partnership with MTV documenting him trying to get his mother into treatment.

As far as this show is concerned, Keyshia is the executive producer of the show.

It is CLEARLY a dysfunctional situation. i would definitely agree but I just see a difference in watching a process of HEALING vs just glorifying continued abuse.


I think both Mario's show and this show is about the process of trying to heal a family, ghetto or not, out of the pits of addiction.

I'm not some super fan of Keyshias but I'm sympathic to her situation. I think some are so caught up in her being from the hood that they can't see a young woman trying NOT to be caught up in the drugs and some of the lifestyles that kept her family in destructive behaviors. This at the heart of what the show is about.


Lastly, to Empress,

It's too bad more people don't think this way, but I guess the majority these days want to see people looking like losers and assholes.


This is really a bit much. confused

Hell I'm one of the very few that probably wrote Bravo about "Being Bobby Brown". Now that was about making money off of addictive, destructive people for entertainment.


At the end of the day, we all have our own stories and pasts. Some find it therupatic to expose their lives and find some relief in believing that even if one person is helped....its a good thing.
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Reply #41 posted 11/29/07 10:39am

Empress

Rhondab said:[quote]

Harlepolis said:




Mario had one show in partnership with MTV documenting him trying to get his mother into treatment.

As far as this show is concerned, Keyshia is the executive producer of the show.

It is CLEARLY a dysfunctional situation. i would definitely agree but I just see a difference in watching a process of HEALING vs just glorifying continued abuse.


I think both Mario's show and this show is about the process of trying to heal a family, ghetto or not, out of the pits of addiction.

I'm not some super fan of Keyshias but I'm sympathic to her situation. I think some are so caught up in her being from the hood that they can't see a young woman trying NOT to be caught up in the drugs and some of the lifestyles that kept her family in destructive behaviors. This at the heart of what the show is about.


Lastly, to Empress,

It's too bad more people don't think this way, but I guess the majority these days want to see people looking like losers and assholes.


This is really a bit much. confused

Hell I'm one of the very few that probably wrote Bravo about "Being Bobby Brown". Now that was about making money off of addictive, destructive people for entertainment.


At the end of the day, we all have our own stories and pasts. Some find it therupatic to expose their lives and find some relief in believing that even if one person is helped....its a good thing.


Gimme a break Rhonda. The truth is painful at times I know, but it's clear that this is what people want and it's clear that many people are watching this shit are totally entertained by it. They should be reading a book or something instead of wasting their time on shit like this. It reflects the mindset of many people these days and it's sad.
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Reply #42 posted 11/29/07 10:45am

Harlepolis

I understand where you coming from, Rhonda. But I see a different aspect of this.

Lord knows I'm not trying to judge Keyshia or Mario becoz I've seen that mess in a personal close-up,,,,and I've also seen how it got resolved for good.

But hey, I do however believe that different folks with different strokes, what might work for me might not work for the next person.
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Reply #43 posted 11/29/07 10:57am

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I got a question for those who think the show is pure shit: if you grew up as a foster kid, your mom was in jail for drugs/prostitution/the whole 9, you have a rocky relationship w/ your sister who's been through plenty of madness her damn self - how would you come out of all that? hmmm

I can't just dismiss this chick as ghetto & unworthy & leave it @ that. She found a way to make it past obstacles many may have crumbled under. She's trying to stay on the path & get her family healthy - I can't help but respect that despite how I feel about her music. What interests me about the show is not her being an "artist" but her trying to become a better human being...

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Reply #44 posted 11/29/07 11:07am

dancerella

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dancerella said:

Damn, i'm surpised no one ever talks about it. Did you guys see last night's episode? It was out of control. I commend Keyshia for being brave enough to let us into her world but her family issues are crazy. Her sister is actually worse than the mother in some ways. Her sister's husband cheated on her with her cousin and Neffe (keyshia's sister) was trying to get him back but after he clearly had no interest, she went off on him in the street and in front of their children. Why do you think they let us see all of this? It is truly shocking but i hope it all works out for Keyshia. Now Keyshi'a trying to find out who her real father is. Maybe they should go on Maury?! biggrin I have respect for her trying to rebuild her relationship with her mother.

What do you guys think of the show?
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Yeah this show is the 'realest' reality show bar none. Strangely enough Keyshia comes off very good. Despite her family drama. Maybe that is the point of the show for Keyshia. She is using her ignorant family members to make her look better.



tel me about it. This show is as raw as it gets but i can understand why people find it almost too ghetto to watch. it doesn't show us in a good light if you know what i mean.
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Reply #45 posted 11/29/07 11:11am

Empress

CalhounSq said:

I got a question for those who think the show is pure shit: if you grew up as a foster kid, your mom was in jail for drugs/prostitution/the whole 9, you have a rocky relationship w/ your sister who's been through plenty of madness her damn self - how would you come out of all that? hmmm

I can't just dismiss this chick as ghetto & unworthy & leave it @ that. She found a way to make it past obstacles many may have crumbled under. She's trying to stay on the path & get her family healthy - I can't help but respect that despite how I feel about her music. What interests me about the show is not her being an "artist" but her trying to become a better human being...

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Fortunately for me, I didn't grow up this way. I had/have two very responsible, loving parents who did their best for us and sacrificed their own wants and needs for those of their children. They had very little, but we were brought up with morals and a sense of responsibility and self-worth. We were all taught the value of a good education and the importance of staying in school. Today, my siblings and I all have good jobs and decent homes. We are very fortunate, but it started with responsible parenting.

I still believe these kind of shows are nothing but entertainment and exploitation and are there for our amusement only. It's no different that shit like Maury P and Jerry Springer neutral
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Reply #46 posted 11/29/07 11:15am

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Empress said:

Harlepolis said:

Maybe I'm just being old-fashioned but whateva happend to the ol' dignified "keeping your personal biz to yourself? ways?

It is hoodrat-ish and chickenheaded how she let herself/her family be exploited like that,,,and the gain is always the same no matter how you try to sugercoat it: publicity shrug so there, it kills any sincere motive.


I can't help but agree and maybe it is old fashioned, but I would rather be old fashioned than look like some uneducated no-talent person. It's too bad more people don't think this way, but I guess the majority these days want to see people looking like losers and assholes.


Basically. The only thing that the show is good for is that it's not insanely crazy as Bobby Brown's show. And yeah Mario's going for similar drama in his show.
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Reply #47 posted 11/29/07 11:18am

Timmy84

Empress said:

CalhounSq said:

I got a question for those who think the show is pure shit: if you grew up as a foster kid, your mom was in jail for drugs/prostitution/the whole 9, you have a rocky relationship w/ your sister who's been through plenty of madness her damn self - how would you come out of all that? hmmm

I can't just dismiss this chick as ghetto & unworthy & leave it @ that. She found a way to make it past obstacles many may have crumbled under. She's trying to stay on the path & get her family healthy - I can't help but respect that despite how I feel about her music. What interests me about the show is not her being an "artist" but her trying to become a better human being...

twocents


Fortunately for me, I didn't grow up this way. I had/have two very responsible, loving parents who did their best for us and sacrificed their own wants and needs for those of their children. They had very little, but we were brought up with morals and a sense of responsibility and self-worth. We were all taught the value of a good education and the importance of staying in school. Today, my siblings and I all have good jobs and decent homes. We are very fortunate, but it started with responsible parenting.

I still believe these kind of shows are nothing but entertainment and exploitation and are there for our amusement only. It's no different that shit like Maury P and Jerry Springer neutral


Yeah I get why some of you feel that show is "positive" but this shit is something people laugh at. There's not too many people (that I've seen) that are really that sympathetic. They also go "how ignorant that they put this shit on TV". It definitely isn't different from "Maury" and we know some of the people that come on THAT show.
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Reply #48 posted 11/29/07 11:18am

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Timmy84 said:

Empress said:



I can't help but agree and maybe it is old fashioned, but I would rather be old fashioned than look like some uneducated no-talent person. It's too bad more people don't think this way, but I guess the majority these days want to see people looking like losers and assholes.


Basically. The only thing that the show is good for is that it's not insanely crazy as Bobby Brown's show. And yeah Mario's going for similar drama in his show.



Why you guys keep comparing Mario to Keyshia... Keyshia is a weekly series... Mario had an 1 hour special about him seeking treatment for his mother's addiction and Even with his mother being addicted to Smack... She's nothing like Keyshia's mother and sister
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Reply #49 posted 11/29/07 11:30am

dancerella

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lastdecember said:

doesnt anyone see the issue that most of these shows are about jail, getting out of jail etc..And this is in most cases BET doing it

Although not music related, another one of their programming gems, the American Gangster series. disbelief

A series on successful Black people who achieved their goals through hard work & education must've been totally out of the question. confused


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you know what? i was thinking about that just last night? why are they gloryfiying gangsters? this is not something that anyone should aspire to be. great, show impressionable children that this is the way to go! sad
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Reply #50 posted 11/29/07 11:34am

dancerella

CalhounSq said:

theAudience said:


shocked...



...No, i'm telling you this NOT the same CalhounSq i've discussed Damages with.


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falloff Let me just say this - while I cringe @ some of the aspects of the show & don't like Keyshia's music I do appreciate that as a family they're trying to become healthier people & work on their issues. It may all be fake & for the camera but it's more worthwhile than watching I Love NY & whatever else a lot of people are watching (probably some of YOU! lol ). I think there's something so be said for trying to better your life & change your patterns of destruction, even if folks dismiss you as a simple "hoodrat" who doesn't deserve the time of day. neutral I'll probably never buy a record of hers, but I do wish her all the best in terms of striving to be a better person & understand her family dynamics (from what I've seen)...

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exactly how I feel. instead of looking down on her and being judgmental, why not give her props for trying to change her situation? this girl has been through a lot. how would we deal with her past??
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Reply #51 posted 11/29/07 11:38am

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Timmy84 said:

Empress said:



Fortunately for me, I didn't grow up this way. I had/have two very responsible, loving parents who did their best for us and sacrificed their own wants and needs for those of their children. They had very little, but we were brought up with morals and a sense of responsibility and self-worth. We were all taught the value of a good education and the importance of staying in school. Today, my siblings and I all have good jobs and decent homes. We are very fortunate, but it started with responsible parenting.

I still believe these kind of shows are nothing but entertainment and exploitation and are there for our amusement only. It's no different that shit like Maury P and Jerry Springer neutral


Yeah I get why some of you feel that show is "positive" but this shit is something people laugh at. There's not too many people (that I've seen) that are really that sympathetic. They also go "how ignorant that they put this shit on TV". It definitely isn't different from "Maury" and we know some of the people that come on THAT show.


I'm not even sure people are saying it's "positive", but for what it is - slice of life reality show - at least she's doing SOMETHING positive in her life despite the ultra ghetto upbringing. And while I don't necessarily recommend it for everyone I can appreciate some aspects of what she's trying to do. shrug
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Reply #52 posted 11/29/07 11:41am

dancerella

Graycap23 said:

Rhondab said:




What makes it expolitation?


I'm really asking a question and not being argumentative.

Someone is making big $$ off of what is clearly a disfunctional situation. Why not handle this without the TV camaras? There is no reason 4 this 2 be a TV. In addition, Ms. Coles so called talent is very LIMITED.
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i hear what you are saying but if she didn't put it out there herself and tried to hide her personal problems someone in the tabloids would have probably found out and printed it in some trashy tabloid and maybe made seem even worse, if possible. i know people don't agree with her putting this out there but at least she has some control by putting it out there herself.
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Reply #53 posted 11/29/07 1:21pm

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I personally know people that have been through a LOT with their parents, and its having a big impact on them as adults. The way that Keyshia and her family are documenting their struggle/journey(even the counseling piece) may nudge someone else into working through their own mess.

I also think its good for parents to see what can happen to your kid if you're not handeling your biz.
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Reply #54 posted 11/29/07 2:00pm

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unkemptpueblo said:

To me this show is about 3 women trying to break destructive cycles, and improve their lives. I think the way that Keysha is using her success as way way to bring her family up with her is actually inspiring.

This season the show isnt so much about her music. Its about her trying to heal her family. I like it.

Its the one 'reality' show that doesnt feel scripted.

But does it need 2 be on TV?
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Reply #55 posted 11/29/07 5:12pm

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she has a show?
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Reply #56 posted 11/29/07 6:28pm

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BET is straight up bullshit...I gave up on that channel a long, long time ago...
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Reply #57 posted 11/29/07 8:49pm

ThreadBare

I've never seen the show.
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Reply #58 posted 11/29/07 8:51pm

kaptainkrunk

that show is a hot ghetto mess america is 2 much in2 sensationalism sum things should b private ur career shouldnt b built on ur private life i always respected prince cuz he kept people out of his life the way it should b .these young wanna bees 2day will do anything 2 b known exposin ya crackhead momma or ya deadbeat dad just 2 get 2 the top
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Reply #59 posted 11/29/07 9:14pm

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Love the show.


Not even really about Keysha but more her family.
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