NDRU said:

Until the Superbowl.

I like Patti's version better... & I like Patti & Teena & sometimes Celine's ass too. But her version of Tina's "River Deep, Mountain High" is a joke - all the vocal power but zero soul

Rodya24 said:

True, she did shock people. But it was weird to me, out of place & pointless (& a bit saggy). Prince has been able to get away with it with it but that's his image, like Madonna.

CalhounSq said:

Yeah, again, I think Patti should be proud of what she is and what she is NOT--namely she's not a watered down bland middle of the road singer. And compared to most people trying to make it in music, she's incredibly successful.

NDRU said:

Until the Superbowl.

Rodya24 said:

Save that you can look at Janet Jackson's and Justin Timberlake's faces and tell by their reaction that apparently wasn't the intent of the routine. It still doesn't change the fact that Timberlake was part of the routine and yet the white media removed him to the point some people think Jackson acted all alone and still bring it up while Timberlake can sing about his penis on national TV and get an Emmy for it.

Najee said:

While I think that it was planned, I agree that the reaction to the incident was racist, sexist, and ageist.

How could anyone "NOT"? That's almost as bad as being convinced that OJ "DIDN'T" do it.....

"Next thing you are going to say is "I have Black friends"."


Holy SHIT!!!!!

FarrahMoan said:

And just like O.J., some people can't let go of it and give off the vibe of a racial double standard against black people whenever the topic comes up.

Squash all the race bullshit aside, I don't care what color O.J. was, dude did it and was only used as an example because the situation fits in comparison to the '04 Superbowl Halftime Incident. I'm just saying.

But, most of the rest of the public was and that was because you don't do that on an established network (Or so they would like viewers to believe.) like CBS. Point. Blank. Simple.

FarrahMoan said:

It does compare, because white society can't let go of both issues. O.J. Simpson was acquitted of the charges in 1995 (he can't be tried again on the charges) and segments of white society STILL are obsessing over it. And like it or not, elements of the case and coverage of the case itself are tainted with black/white racial elements.

FarrahMoan said:

That's funny, because I remember Justin Timberlake being on network television two years later on "Saturday Nite Live" doing a three-minute skit about his penis, stereotyping the styles of early 1990s soul music acts. Not to mention, most people didn't see Janet Jackson's exposed breast on live TV -- they heard about the mishap after the fact.

Is that so? If that is the casr, then that is pretty one-sided of Lorne. Last time I checked, Martin was banned from Saturday Night Live for telling women that they need to douce, responsibly while delivering his silly monologue that most hosts do. What kind of bullshit is that?

Love me some Patti, but she's WAY off track with this nonsense.

Why did Whitney have the LARGEST selling single of all time with I Will Always Love You, but that same song sold nothing for Dolly Parton???

The race card just doesn't go away, does it? How long until black folk stop playing the victims?

FarrahMoan said:

Not only that, Justin Timberlake received critical and audience praise and later an Emmy for his "Dick in a Box" skit on "Saturday Nite Live" skit.

Just call it what it is -- a racial double standard, best personified on how the white majority media (and white society in general) treated Justin Timberlake differently from Janet Jackson, who both committed THE SAME ACT AT THE SAME TIME.

Najee said:

Albeit, I found Dick in The Box to be funnier than all of the other skits that have been displayed on SNL for quite some time. Let's just face it. Saturday Night Live is corny and has been for decades. It's missing people "LIKE" Eddie Murphy, Billy Crystal, John Belushi (May God Bless His Soul.), and Gilda Radner. Hell, even Chris Kattan brought something to the table along with Molly Shannon and Will Ferrel's silly ass. But, that doesn't give NBC or Lorne Michaels the right to ban Martin Lawrence for speaking his mind about the female hygiene. Again, I call bullshit on that act.
[Edited 11/29/07 20:57pm]

FarrahMoan said:

Do you realize how many white people were banned from SNL before anyone even knew who Martin Lawrence was?

Revolution said:

First of all, Dolly didn't rock that song and you know it. Second of all...who said black folks are "playing"? Watch your tounge...you making dumb blanket statements and you might start pissing folks off.
[Edited 11/29/07 21:14pm]

As for the Janet/Justin thing, there's no comparison to the Superbowl fiasco and that Dick In A Box skit. Justin never showed any dick, and the skit was on at 12:30 am. Janet's titty came out AT THE SUPERBOWL on PRIME TIME. With BILLIONS of people watching. The reason Janet got the heat over it is because it was her titty.

While I think that it was planned, I agree that the reaction to the incident was racist, sexist, and ageist.

Their voices are completely different. Maybe the public just prefers Celine's voice to Patti's. Ain't that complex.

Rodya24 said:

Save that you can look at Janet Jackson's and Justin Timberlake's faces and tell by their reaction that apparently wasn't the intent of the routine.

Najee said:

It's called...ACTING!

midnightmover said:

Exactly... and gentlemen, try ripping off the fabric off any brassier(just the fabric on the breast) and you will find that it is virtually impossible to do without tugging with lots of force and almost pulling the entire bra off. It was set up to tear off neatly and without force, Janet stood her ground and made no apology, justin caved to public demand. Sexism allows for the boys to get away with a lot more sexually.... I bet if Janet published a tell all book, exposing all her lovely goods like Madonna did, she would have received a much warmer reception.

Racism always plays a part in everything we do, because we as people tend to make assumptions about others we need not to. The music industry is not immune.
In my heart I'm sure a southern white woman raised like Dolly would NOT like a black woman prospering off of any of her work.

and look at this thread alone

Lazycrockett sees Whitney as a crackhead, like little miss southern bell Dolly has never done drugs like cocaine.

and the funnyass assumption of Totaldiva thinking that I'm gonna say "I have black friends" like I'm white or something, that's just as bad as me saying,
"Totaldiva, by the look of you avie looks like you prescribe to a white standard of beauty with your headfull of processed hair, when was the last time you allowed your naps to grow, Ms. Championoftheblackrace?"

Yeah, I could be a real bitch up in here.... look at your posts carefully, and stop assuming, trifling, and bitching and acting all self-righteous with comments that are just as racist, and undeserved, some of you folks are just as bad as the issues you complain about.
[Edited 12/2/07 10:55am]

Najee said:

It's called...ACTING!