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Why should the artist have to promote their album/single Think about it, thats not their job, thats why labels have promo departments that get paid millions. I hear the argument all the time Britney Spears is lazy because shes not doing anything for her record, or Prince did nothing for "Planet Earth" etc... they are paid to record an album and put out a certain amount of albums that their contracts call for, they arent paid to go on Oprah or make videos (video costs come out of the artists pocket/advances).
Sure its cool if artists do videos and tour and all that stuff, but should they be expected to? [Edited 11/26/07 10:29am] "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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Yep, they should have to.
Promotion encompasses more than flyers, ads and commercials. | |
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But why? they arent paid for that, its really out of their power where songs land and albums land on the charts, if it is then why employ Promotion departments at labels and at stations? "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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if the artist has drive they'll do it without being asked to i'd say. | |
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lastdecember said: But why? they arent paid for that
And sometimes you do things even when you're not paid for it. In this case because you love your music and you wish to support your art AND please your fans at the same time. But really, they are being paid for it since artist-based promotion only helps sell more units. Why should I give my money to Britney if bitch isn't even willing to lift a finger to support her own music or her fans? If she doesn't care about it, why should I? Hell no. Lazy cow. [Edited 11/26/07 11:25am] | |
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I dont think it really has to do with "drive" because i consider Prince to have drive and i constantly hear he doesnt "promote" his work. Every artist has "drive" i just think labels pick and choose who will get the promotion. Ryan Admas is another example, he does at least 2-3 albums a year, thats what he's paid to do "make music" why should have to promote, he plays shows, people who like him turn up thats the way it should be. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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VoicesCarry said: lastdecember said: But why? they arent paid for that
And sometimes you do things even when you're not paid for it. In this case because you love your music and you wish to support your art AND please your fans at the same time. But really, they are being paid for it since artist-based promotion only helps sell more units. Why should I give my money to Britney if bitch isn't even willing to lift a finger to support her own music or her fans? If she doesn't care about it, why should I? Hell no. Lazy cow. [Edited 11/26/07 11:25am] But then its picking and choosing, selling more units in the long run isnt to their benefit unless they own it or get that money. So did Prince care about Planet Earth? Rainbow Children? News? he really just put them out and let them go where they went. Pearl Jam havent "promoted" a record since the early 90's, why should they, Ryan Adams does tons of albums and puts them out, why should have to do all that other stuff too. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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Well would Ryan Adams be booked on Oprah for every album he makes, anyway? Probably not. He isn't a pop star. Don't even know why we're discussing him here, as the kind of promotion you're talking about is only done by a star of a certain commercial stature. | |
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VoicesCarry said: Well would Ryan Adams be booked on Oprah for every album he makes, anyway? Probably not. He isn't a pop star. Don't even know why we're discussing him here, as the kind of promotion you're talking about is only done by a star of a certain commercial stature.
But Britneys pop star days are over, maybe she feels, you made enough off of me from 1998-2004 that now im gonna do a record and let you work for once. Truth is every artist is expected to promote in some capacity whether your Britney or Justin to Van Hunt or Ryan Adams. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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And, more importantly, it's much more important for artists who release successful SINGLES to do that sort of promotion. Prince, Pearl Jam and Ryan Adams don't need to bother because they don't need to spin 5 singles from a record in order to keep it afloat on the charts. No one plays them. | |
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lastdecember said: VoicesCarry said: Well would Ryan Adams be booked on Oprah for every album he makes, anyway? Probably not. He isn't a pop star. Don't even know why we're discussing him here, as the kind of promotion you're talking about is only done by a star of a certain commercial stature.
But Britneys pop star days are over, maybe she feels, you made enough off of me from 1998-2004 that now im gonna do a record and let you work for once. Truth is every artist is expected to promote in some capacity whether your Britney or Justin to Van Hunt or Ryan Adams. Yeah, woe is Britney for the label making some money off of her. As if she didn't make enough of her own. The label worked like it has ALWAYS worked for Britney, it's just that bitch didn't meet them halfway. And that's the only reason her pop star days are over. | |
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VoicesCarry said: And, more importantly, it's much more important for artists who release successful SINGLES to do that sort of promotion. Prince, Pearl Jam and Ryan Adams don't need to bother because they don't need to spin 5 singles from a record in order to keep it afloat on the charts. No one plays them.
But whos's choice is it to release 5 singles? not the artist, plus does anyone have singles anymore? i know they do videos but no one plays them at this point, so really you have a bunch of artists running around promoting nothing, which is why they all tend to become media-stars and nothing to do with music. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: VoicesCarry said: And, more importantly, it's much more important for artists who release successful SINGLES to do that sort of promotion. Prince, Pearl Jam and Ryan Adams don't need to bother because they don't need to spin 5 singles from a record in order to keep it afloat on the charts. No one plays them.
But whos's choice is it to release 5 singles? not the artist, plus does anyone have singles anymore? i know they do videos but no one plays them at this point, so really you have a bunch of artists running around promoting nothing, which is why they all tend to become media-stars and nothing to do with music. Well, it's never been the artist's choice to release or not release a certain number of singles, so there's not much point in debating that. And yes, they have singles. And if they're successful, it still helps sell albums. | |
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VoicesCarry said: lastdecember said: But Britneys pop star days are over, maybe she feels, you made enough off of me from 1998-2004 that now im gonna do a record and let you work for once. Truth is every artist is expected to promote in some capacity whether your Britney or Justin to Van Hunt or Ryan Adams. Yeah, woe is Britney for the label making some money off of her. As if she didn't make enough of her own. The label worked like it has ALWAYS worked for Britney, it's just that bitch didn't meet them halfway. And that's the only reason her pop star days are over. I think her "pop" days are over because that phase is over, everyone has that period of time when everything they do is perfect to everyone and then when it wears off they find someone new. All through time you can pick someone that had "their day" so to speak when they were the one. Britney ended because she grew up, just the way a sitcom starts to fade away when the "kids" grow up. Britney was part of a phase of time the Teen Pop Era. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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there's basic promo that an artist is expected to do to cover what the lable spent, and to be smart and guarantee they don't get dropped.
and the excessive schedule that an artist picks up to carve a spot for themselves and make sure their records are heard and recognized on an international level. | |
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lastdecember said: VoicesCarry said: Yeah, woe is Britney for the label making some money off of her. As if she didn't make enough of her own. The label worked like it has ALWAYS worked for Britney, it's just that bitch didn't meet them halfway. And that's the only reason her pop star days are over. I think her "pop" days are over because that phase is over, everyone has that period of time when everything they do is perfect to everyone and then when it wears off they find someone new. All through time you can pick someone that had "their day" so to speak when they were the one. Britney ended because she grew up, just the way a sitcom starts to fade away when the "kids" grow up. Britney was part of a phase of time the Teen Pop Era. Britney ended the era because she got stupid and turned to drugs. It's not a difficult equation. Britney had the potential to be huge for quite some time because people genuinely liked her. Unfortunately she took that goodwill and flushed it down the toilet in the short span of about 3 years. She could have turned it around with this record, but instead she chose to drown her sorrows in tequila shots. | |
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Look at George Michael. He bitched about Sony spending all of that money to make Mariah Carey at the expense of other artists. But George himself didn't want to appear in his videos, so if the artist isn't all that interested in promoting himself, why should the label? There's only so much the industry hype machine can do for an album if the artist isn't willing to carry through with their end. Just look at 3121, Planet Earth, and The Gold Experience. And Listen Without Prejudice. | |
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lastdecember said: Think about it, thats not their job, thats why labels have promo departments that get paid millions. I hear the argument all the time Britney Spears is lazy because shes not doing anything for her record, or Prince did nothing for "Planet Earth" etc... they are paid to record an album and put out a certain amount of albums that their contracts call for, they arent paid to go on Oprah or make videos (video costs come out of the artists pocket/advances).
Sure its cool if artists do videos and tour and all that stuff, but should they be expected to? [Edited 11/26/07 10:29am] You can be real passive and wait for things to come to you, but people who pursue their endeavors beyond a mere paycheck tend to have the most success in life. test | |
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VoicesCarry said: lastdecember said: I think her "pop" days are over because that phase is over, everyone has that period of time when everything they do is perfect to everyone and then when it wears off they find someone new. All through time you can pick someone that had "their day" so to speak when they were the one. Britney ended because she grew up, just the way a sitcom starts to fade away when the "kids" grow up. Britney was part of a phase of time the Teen Pop Era. Britney ended the era because she got stupid and turned to drugs. It's not a difficult equation. Britney had the potential to be huge for quite some time because people genuinely liked her. Unfortunately she took that goodwill and flushed it down the toilet in the short span of about 3 years. She could have turned it around with this record, but instead she chose to drown her sorrows in tequila shots. And also what is promoting in the USA? Ok theres no more MTV/VH1 or BET they are really nothing more than reality show networks at this point, so making a video is not promotion its just a waste of money. Then what TV shows are beneficial to promotion, Oprah? well how many people is she gonna have on thats not what she is there for, the morning shows, well they tend to only have concerts in the spring/summer and dont feature artists that often, and then theres the nite shows, but really is an apperance on Leno pushing a record anymore? As for Britney i still think her time had run its course, could she have been on every tv show, sure but who is that benefiting? I think its fair to say that the day of the promoting music is over, and now its just gonna be putting out your record and whoever likes you buys it and those who dont, dont. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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Aside said: Look at George Michael. He bitched about Sony spending all of that money to make Mariah Carey at the expense of other artists. But George himself didn't want to appear in his videos, so if the artist isn't all that interested in promoting himself, why should the label? There's only so much the industry hype machine can do for an album if the artist isn't willing to carry through with their end. Just look at 3121, Planet Earth, and The Gold Experience. And Listen Without Prejudice.
Ok so if an artist does the album, its good, and plays the game, does the videos,appearances, and the album doesnt sell who is considered the failure? Why does the artist take that blame? I never hear anyone say wow that so and so bombed because universals promo department sucks. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: I think its fair to say that the day of the promoting music is over, and now its just gonna be putting out your record and whoever likes you buys it and those who dont, dont.
I'll pass that on to Nelly, Fergie, Beyonce, Rihanna, and Mariah to let them know they can stop performing, touring, appearing, doing photoshoots, making videos and generally doing anything other than schlumping to the studio in their sweats and allowing their name to be stamped on the product. That sure sounds like a winning business model to me. | |
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PFunkjazz said: lastdecember said: Think about it, thats not their job, thats why labels have promo departments that get paid millions. I hear the argument all the time Britney Spears is lazy because shes not doing anything for her record, or Prince did nothing for "Planet Earth" etc... they are paid to record an album and put out a certain amount of albums that their contracts call for, they arent paid to go on Oprah or make videos (video costs come out of the artists pocket/advances).
Sure its cool if artists do videos and tour and all that stuff, but should they be expected to? [Edited 11/26/07 10:29am] You can be real passive and wait for things to come to you, but people who pursue their endeavors beyond a mere paycheck tend to have the most success in life. Yeah but they did their job, recorded the album which is what they are signed to do. I heard someone the other day say "wow that new Seal is bombing" and yet i saw Seal everywhere, even on Rachel Ray, so hes "playing the game" why is blamed for "bombing" why arent people at the label getting their ass kicked for not getting him played. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: I never hear anyone say wow that so and so bombed because universals promo department sucks.
Now that's bull. I KNOW you've been complaining about label promotion from day one on this site, and so have a lot of other people. A lot of projects either never reach full potential or flop outright because of poor label promotion, and the artist had nothing to do with it. Promotion is not "you get back what you put in", it's "you get back what you put in if the timing is right." It's a crapshoot most of the time, and always has been. | |
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lastdecember said: PFunkjazz said: You can be real passive and wait for things to come to you, but people who pursue their endeavors beyond a mere paycheck tend to have the most success in life. Yeah but they did their job, recorded the album which is what they are signed to do. I hear ya, but that's a failure of his own choosing. Such a person is lucky to have someone to blame. Probably lets him sleep at night. test | |
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VoicesCarry said: lastdecember said: I think its fair to say that the day of the promoting music is over, and now its just gonna be putting out your record and whoever likes you buys it and those who dont, dont.
I'll pass that on to Nelly, Fergie, Beyonce, Rihanna, and Mariah to let them know they can stop performing, touring, appearing, doing photoshoots, making videos and generally doing anything other than schlumping to the studio in their sweats and allowing their name to be stamped on the product. That sure sounds like a winning business model to me. Winnning business model? Universal laid out 20 million on Rihanna's latest just on Promo, that includes touring,shows,magazines,videos, and as of right now they have made less than have of that back? Is that a model for business? Also how Britney recorded is not much different than 3 of the artists you mentioned who almost have nothing to do with their music at all and some less than her. So then what about artists that play the game, do the videos,do the tv shows etc, and dont sell? whos fault is it? i never hear blame on the label. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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VoicesCarry said: lastdecember said: I never hear anyone say wow that so and so bombed because universals promo department sucks.
Now that's bull. I KNOW you've been complaining about label promotion from day one on this site, and so have a lot of other people. A lot of projects either never reach full potential or flop outright because of poor label promotion, and the artist had nothing to do with it. Promotion is not "you get back what you put in", it's "you get back what you put in if the timing is right." It's a crapshoot most of the time, and always has been. Where not talking about me, im talking about those with the power to take artists down, the crap who write for magazines and things like that. I never hear a headline say "so and so's last album, because universal sucks" you think a magazine would print that? no they put all the blame on the artist. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: Universal laid out 20 million on Rihanna's latest just on Promo, that includes touring,shows,magazines,videos, and as of right now they have made less than have of that back?
Oh, bullshit.  I'm sorry but this is like the movie studio telling Nia Vardalos they failed to turn a profit on My Big Fat Greek Wedding (even though it only had a budget of $5 million), so they didn't have to pay her a profit percentage.
Bottom line is if the Rihanna project was hemmorhaging cash, they wouldn't be releasing single after single after single. They're making money off it. I don't care what the books show, because in the entertainment industry you can cook the books to show whatever you want. Also how Britney recorded is not much different than 3 of the artists you mentioned who almost have nothing to do with their music at all and some less than her.
Please. Brit couldn't even be bothered to show up to recording sessions and act like a professional. So then what about artists that play the game, do the videos,do the tv shows etc, and dont sell? whos fault is it? i never hear blame on the label.
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lastdecember said: VoicesCarry said: Now that's bull. I KNOW you've been complaining about label promotion from day one on this site, and so have a lot of other people. A lot of projects either never reach full potential or flop outright because of poor label promotion, and the artist had nothing to do with it. Promotion is not "you get back what you put in", it's "you get back what you put in if the timing is right." It's a crapshoot most of the time, and always has been. Where not talking about me, im talking about those with the power to take artists down, the crap who write for magazines and things like that. I never hear a headline say "so and so's last album, because universal sucks" you think a magazine would print that? no they put all the blame on the artist. Outside of the tabloids, just how much talk is there about projects bombing? Barely any. Magazines are there to sell/report on the product, and rarely savage it. | |
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VoicesCarry said: lastdecember said: Universal laid out 20 million on Rihanna's latest just on Promo, that includes touring,shows,magazines,videos, and as of right now they have made less than have of that back?
Oh, bullshit. I'm sorry but this is like the movie studio telling Nia Vardalos they failed to turn a profit on My Big Fat Greek Wedding (even though it only had a budget of $5 million), so they didn't have to pay her a profit percentage.
Bottom line is if the Rihanna project was hemmorhaging cash, they wouldn't be releasing single after single after single. They're making money off it. I don't care what the books show, because in the entertainment industry you can cook the books to show whatever you want. Please. Brit couldn't even be bothered to show up to recording sessions and act like a professional. So then what about artists that play the game, do the videos,do the tv shows etc, and dont sell? whos fault is it? i never hear blame on the label.
I hear you blaming the labels all the time. First of all if you think Rihanna has brought in that kind of money you are missing alot, the reason they are throwing singles out there is they are trying to save something, its kind of like a sinking ship and things getting thrown off to make it lighter. As for blaming labels i can but im not talking about me and others on here, im talking about the ones with power to print it in music magazines and things like that. As for Britney, what can i tell you, if we all knew how "un-professional" 90% of these artists are. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: VoicesCarry said: I hear you blaming the labels all the time. First of all if you think Rihanna has brought in that kind of money you are missing alot, the reason they are throwing singles out there is they are trying to save something, its kind of like a sinking ship and things getting thrown off to make it lighter.  Yeah, and by that logic 20 Y.O. and Glitter should have had every single fucking track released as a single. 
Give me a fuckin' BREAK. As for Britney, what can i tell you, if we all knew how "un-professional" 90% of these artists are.
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