PAPAROBBIE said:

Congratulations.

This was the tail end of a year and half long tour and you expect her voice to still be perfect?

Some of the choreography is VERY hectic and for her to sing live and dance (in heels no less!) is great. She did have live vocals going on as much as lip syncing.

Check out a Britney concert, NOTHING is live. Literally NOTHING. I think some lip syncing mixed in with live vocals and instruments and heavy dancing at the tail end of a world tour is fine.

sexxydancer said:

purplesweat said:

i love how choreography is now the so-called justification for singers to NOT sing.

totaldiva said:

I don't hate her, I just don't get the hype. Her "music" does nothing for me at all. Like Mariah, she's eye candy, and that's it.

I'm not a fan of her WEAK material, but she can sing and put on a good show live. I just wish her material was BETTER.

way better than Justin Timberlakes show

CalhounSq said:

Graycap23 said:

that's pretty much the issue with Beyonce.

At this point she needs to separate herself from the teenie crew.


I was listening to her sing "Listen". WOW...she needs to go that route.

aight, wanna know why i hate on beyonce...i am sitting here minding my own business trying to work on my laptop when BAMN!!! a freaken for Direct TV staring Beyonce plays on tv...what the hell? i swear i feel like she is everywhere selling anything and everything...its over saturation.....

sosgemini said:

So change the channel. They don't program your TV saying "PUT ANOTHER BEYONCE COMMERCIAL ON TO ANNOY HER!" They just advertise her a lot, especially since her DVD is coming out in a week or so. That's more of her people's fault for overexposing her than her. It shouldn't detract from her music. I'm sure none of us had any trouble listening to Prince while the Verzion ads were all over TV.

Rhondab said:

You obviously haven't seen any of the choreography.

Oh, and don't bother taking in anything else I said about it being the end of a year long tour or the fact that she sung the slow songs completely live.

Did anyone complain when Prince cancelled an aftershow to rest his voice? I bet you anything if Beyonce did that, everyone on here would be screaming about how untalented she is.
[Edited 11/25/07 20:57pm]

I missed it I turned it on, but if there's one channel that's going to be screwed up on my cable system (picture, sound, or just not broadcasting) it's going to be BET. And of course, that night, there was no sound during the entire show.

Damn it.

Rhondab said:

Not only that but bringing up Britney holds no water b/c the bitch should have never been allowed to pic up a microphone period. She is NOT a singer.

So lets talk about P when he used to run around like a banshee & leap off speakers & STILL SING his head off

CalhounSq said:

Come on, now. Insurance policies have changed since then. She's a commodity that nobody on her team wants damaged. Bouncing off furniture is probably a no-no. Choreographed dance routines are good to go. Beyoncé did some lip syncing and did some live singing. What she also did was blow every other female singer in her class out of the water with a killer show. Prince has done some combination lip/live performances as well. His talent is no more or less valid than hers is. Anybody who says that Bey can't sing at this point is pretty much overdosed on haterade. The girl can blow. Period.
Her tracks need improvement, though. Its time to let the 2 bar beatmakers/kiddie productions go.

CalhounSq said:

Just listen to these :

http://www.youtube.com/wa...R6W1pKnQhk

(Look out for the acapella of Say My Name, I don't see the other two girls joining in!)

http://www.youtube.com/wa...cde2a2fR7U

(Ok, the crying was a little corny but listen to her voice)

The concert I went to, this is her vocals at the tail end of the show :

http://www.youtube.com/wa...lKCaV7eBJ0

http://www.youtube.com/wa...QTT3VTm9TE (singing starts again at 1:16)

BlaqueKnight said:

Oh....now its insurance policies?

No one is saying the chyle can't sing. We saying....sing for MOST of the show. I'd rather hear a performer try to sing through a dance routine than hear a track.

That's like Kelly was dogged for her SINGING on the BET awards but they say Beyonce's performance was all a track.

I guess Kelly was dumb for tryin' to sing....right.


Purplesweat...stop whining...

For me.....I still like to know that a singer is there to sing.

Beyonce is a good performer which I've said. No one is saying anything really against her so relax. Beyonce does use a track a lot in various performances. She needs to get to singing and stop bouncing her butt around like she's Ciara.

Hell, I've Ciara talk her way through song....no track...

sosgemini said:

that is too funny...

im so curious to why you hate beyonce... i already said why im one... but your a guy... I thought you were a female so many times... cause you don't see guys hating on female celebs who prance around half naked like beyonce.... even if they don't like her music..... so what did beyonce do to you.. to start hating her..

and sorry to beyonce fans.. but she is the most fake artist out there.. and im not just talking about her personality...

Rhondab said:

She does sing for most of her show.
People were wrong for dogging Kelly. I ain't mad at her for singing live. I think she did the right thing.
Almost every big budget production show has some tracking in it these days. Even Prince has tracked some songs during a show before. The purpose of tracking isn't really to deceive the audience but to make the show better. Its for the "WOW" factor. With any artist who has choreography, it serves to take a load off them so that they can do longer shows, etc. Nobody wants to leave a show saying "That sucked" when you know the artist is good. (See: Chaka).
I'm not going to go into it on this thread because that's really another topic altogether but I understand why artists who can perform well still track parts of their shows.
[Edited 11/26/07 8:22am]

Prince did almost no LIVE singing through most of the Emancipation era of promotion, almost everyshow he did was a synch. Everything from Chris Rock to the Naacp Awards to the promotion in england. I think we tend to forget that back in the day almost every tv/music show was a lypsynch job, from Solid Gold to alot of the Soul train performances to most of the UK shows and still is that way, mainly with that, its not really an artist choice its how much will the show pay for the artist to have a band,hook up sound,do soundchecks, shows would rather not pay that $$.

Honestly y'all, I didn't even watch this damn show & I'm not even opposed to singers using PARTIAL tracks when they have a lot of dancing to do. But lip synching the entire track bugs me, I may as well be watching myself do the shit in the mirror. And I wish more performers would be a little less aggressive w/ the choreography if it means a dead mic - see what you CAN do & do it, I've never been so into someone's dancing that I'd rather them dance than sing. If there's a choice to be made, sing dammit

As stated so many times before, Beyount can most definitely sing. I love her voice, I just hate the majority of her material.

And Blaque, you know damn well I don't want Beyount jumping off no speakers I was just making the point that Prince exerted himself & still managed to have that mic on - maybe not ALL the time, but many many times.

CalhounSq said:

Alot of singers use the "clip" tracks, but what i dont get is why bother doing that if you go into the studio and overdub your vocals when you release these things to dvd and cd. Also the "im dancing i cant sing thing" doesnt really hold up anymore, im really not seeing anyone "dancing" so much that they cant sing live.

BlaqueKnight said:

gotcha


Bouncy needs get in contact with Clive and upgrade.

At this point, she should be viewed as a major diva...vocally and she's not.


I think she's a good entertainer but needs to get rid of daddy knowles.

TotalAlisa said:

ok.. what is this for? .. you saying her personality too.. so .. what did she do that was so fake? just out of curiosity im asking..im not a Beyonce fan like that, i dont buy her albums..but if she puts on a nice show i'll watch it..

Standards really have dropped...You people are too easily impressed.

PAPAROBBIE said:

So you think Beyoncé can't sing?

Ok, I wanna make one thing clear :

Beyonce never lip synched a WHOLEtrack! She sung every song live just some parts she left to the backing track or back up vocalists so she could talk to the crowd or dance.

Is that okay with everyone?

And whoever said I was "whining" - I suggest you look up the meaning of the word, there was no whining to be had.

Rhondab said:

I agree! She needs more songs like "Listen".....REAL SONGS with real melodies and lyrics.Instead,she focuses mainly on disposable,hip-hop sounding crap.Next time around,she should go in a whole new direction and avoid working with any hip-hop producers at all.

I was not impressed with beyonce's first album though crazy in love and naughty girl grew on me, and I loved dangerously in love. I used to feel like she could become the next mariah or whitney with a voice like that and she was wasting it. I warmed up to her solo career with her second album though, she was trying different things and wasn't totally urban/hip hop, just a few splashes here and there. I love the ballads like listen, kissing you, flaws and all, and I enjoy the mid tempo r&b numbers, as well as the fun hip hop-dance songs she's done. From what I'm hearing, she's doing dance music with timbaland on the next album, and though I'm really excited to hear it, I hope she continues to have amazing ballads that showcase her voice. I have a feeling that once she's in her late 20's/early 30's, then she'll begin to slow down and go for a more adult contemporary/jazzy vibe to her music, and is letting all the trendy stuff out of her system before she gets too old.

I went to the show and it kicked ass, I haven't seen an amazing performer like that with raw talent since michael and janet, for a longgg time
[Edited 11/27/07 7:06am]

Rhondab said:

Why does she need to get rid of Daddy Knowles? Ya'll mad because he actually does his job for her.

Graycap23 said:

I'm diggin' GET ME BODIED!