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Patti Labelle Creole?

Pink, Mya,Christina, and Kim remade Lady Marmelade. The original was made by Patti LaBelle. I checked to see if she's from Louisiana but she's from Pennsylvania. Then there's her name LaBelle which sound french. SO I'm wonder is she paying tribute to her heritage or just singing creole stuff for the hell of it?
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Reply #1 posted 11/16/07 11:29am

Timmy84

No, she didn't even write the song. lol

Patti LaBelle was born Patricia Holte and was only giving the name Patti LaBelle after one of her first record labels' bosses heard her sing during an audition with the Ordettes. He thought initially that she was too "plain" to be a lead singer until she sung and then changed his mind, then after the Ordettes became the Bluebelles, they were about to get sued because another group had that name, but ended up putting her in front of the name and he was the one who changed her name to Patti LaBelle, the last name meaning beautiful in French.

Hope that answers your "confusion".
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Reply #2 posted 11/16/07 11:30am

Timmy84

And the song WAS recorded in New Orleans and it featured New Orleans funk legends the Meters. smile
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Reply #3 posted 11/16/07 11:57am

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why is fluid ALWAYS on some silly shit? confused
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Reply #4 posted 11/16/07 12:32pm

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falloff

No baby, none of them people are creole or have roots in Louisiana...

only Mya can pass but she's not creole...


lol





pictures of true creoles ... can you spot me?

even though Louisiana creole people can come in different skin colors, hair texture/color, and eye colors....those people on the picture are only an example.
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Reply #5 posted 11/16/07 12:35pm

Harlepolis

Black people's family trees in America will stumple on creole among other million different stuff.

Its not a puzzle.
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Reply #6 posted 11/16/07 1:02pm

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Angelic1302 said:

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Off topic, but the guy in the tan shirt is a sexy beast! lol
Just wanted to say that, sorry if thats your man boxed
If you will, so will I
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Reply #7 posted 11/16/07 1:39pm

Scorpion

Timmy84 said:

No, she didn't even write the song. lol



Patti just now finding out in recent years what the hell "voulez-vous coucher avec moi (ce soir)" meant that whole time. lol
tho' I battled blind
love is a fate resigned
memories mar my mind
love it is a fate resigned

Over futile odds
and laughed at by the Gods
and now the final frame
Love is a losing game
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Reply #8 posted 11/16/07 1:40pm

Timmy84

Scorpion said:

Timmy84 said:

No, she didn't even write the song. lol



Patti just now finding out in recent years what the hell "voulez-vous coucher avec moi (ce soir)" meant that whole time. lol


Yeah I don't think it was too long ago that she was like "when I was told what it meant, I was shocked". lol

If anybody ain't got it by now, then they're clueless! falloff
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Reply #9 posted 11/16/07 1:41pm

Harlepolis

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Reply #10 posted 11/16/07 1:44pm

Harlepolis

Scorpion said:

Timmy84 said:

No, she didn't even write the song. lol



Patti just now finding out in recent years what the hell "voulez-vous coucher avec moi (ce soir)" meant that whole time. lol


Yeah uh,,,what does it mean? boxed redface
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Reply #11 posted 11/16/07 1:46pm

Timmy84

Harlepolis said:

Scorpion said:




Patti just now finding out in recent years what the hell "voulez-vous coucher avec moi (ce soir)" meant that whole time. lol


Yeah uh,,,what does it mean? boxed redface


eek HARLEY! I'm shocked! You of all funkateers should have gotten the hint if you looked at Patti's biographies.

But okay, since you don't know, let this youngin' tell ya:

Do you wanna sleep with me tonight? wink

Now doesn't "voulez-vous coucher avec moi ce soir?" ring any bells now? biggrin
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Reply #12 posted 11/16/07 1:53pm

Harlepolis

Timmy84 said:

Harlepolis said:



Yeah uh,,,what does it mean? boxed redface


eek HARLEY! I'm shocked! You of all funkateers should have gotten the hint if you looked at Patti's biographies.

But okay, since you don't know, let this youngin' tell ya:

Do you wanna sleep with me tonight? wink

Now doesn't "voulez-vous coucher avec moi ce soir?" ring any bells now? biggrin


Thaaaaats right, kick a sista when she's down hrmph blackeye

Timmy, I could name you couple of other chorus lines that I don't get/understand, English for that matter redface lol lol
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Reply #13 posted 11/16/07 1:54pm

Timmy84

That meaning makes sense when you listen to the lyrics (dirty song lol )

He met Marmalade down at old New Orleans
Struttin' her stuff on the street
She said "hello, hey Joe? U wanna give it a go?"

Gitchee, gitchee, ya-ya, da-da
Gitchee, gitchee, ya-ya, heeeeere
Mocha, chocolata, ya-ya
Creole Lady Marmalade

Voulez-vous coucher avec moi, ce soir?
(Do you wanna sleep with me, tonight?)
Voulez-vous coucher avec moi
(Do you wanna sleep with me?)

He sat in her boudoir while she freshened up
The boy drank all that Magnolia wine
On black satin sheets
Where he started to freak

Gitchee, gitchee, ya-ya, da-da
Gitchee, gitchee, ya-ya, heeeeere
Mocha, chocolata, ya-ya
Creole Lady Marmalade

Voulez-vous coucher avec moi, ce soir?
Voulez-vous coucher avec moi?

(Instrumental)

Touchin' her skin, feelin' silky smooth
The color of cafe au lait
Made the savage beast inside
Roared until he cried
"More, more, more!"

Now he's back home doing 9 to 5
Living his grey flannel life
But when he turns off to sleep
All the memories keep
"More, more, more!"

Gitchee, gitchee, ya-ya, da-da
Gitchee, gitchee, ya-ya, heeeeere
Mocha chocolata, ya-ya
Creole Lady Marmalade

Voulez-vous coucher avec moi, ce-soir?
Voulez-vous coucher avec moi
Voulez-vous coucher avec moi, ce-soir?
Creole Lady Marmalade...

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Well you know how it goes. smile
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Reply #14 posted 11/16/07 1:55pm

Timmy84

Harlepolis said:

Timmy84 said:



eek HARLEY! I'm shocked! You of all funkateers should have gotten the hint if you looked at Patti's biographies.

But okay, since you don't know, let this youngin' tell ya:

Do you wanna sleep with me tonight? wink

Now doesn't "voulez-vous coucher avec moi ce soir?" ring any bells now? biggrin


Thaaaaats right, kick a sista when she's down hrmph blackeye

Timmy, I could name you couple of other chorus lines that I don't get/understand, English for that matter redface lol lol


Hell you the one who asked what it meant. falloff lol I viewed Patti's biography some years back, probably 1994 or something and that's how the English meaning came out.

But tell me which other ones you couldn't get the English translation? Shit I probably can't either. lol But I'd find out eventually. biggrin
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Reply #15 posted 11/16/07 2:09pm

Harlepolis

Timmy84 said:

But tell me which other ones you couldn't get the English translation?


Hell nah, you're a chastising mofo hmph!



































If by Miss-Jackson-If-You-Can't-Speak-Proper-English boxed

DON'T SAY A GODDAMN WORD, TIMOTHY brick lol
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Reply #16 posted 11/16/07 2:20pm

Timmy84

Harlepolis said:

Timmy84 said:

But tell me which other ones you couldn't get the English translation?


Hell nah, you're a chastising mofo hmph!

If by Miss-Jackson-If-You-Can't-Speak-Proper-English boxed

DON'T SAY A GODDAMN WORD, TIMOTHY brick lol


It's alright, Harley. comfort You know I love you like a fat kid loves cake. I know, dumb allegory but still love ya, baby. smile

Anyway, are you really shocked by the real translation of "Lady Marmalade"?
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Reply #17 posted 11/16/07 2:26pm

Harlepolis

Timmy84 said:

Harlepolis said:



Hell nah, you're a chastising mofo hmph!

If by Miss-Jackson-If-You-Can't-Speak-Proper-English boxed

DON'T SAY A GODDAMN WORD, TIMOTHY brick lol


It's alright, Harley. comfort You know I love you like a fat kid loves cake. I know, dumb allegory but still love ya, baby. smile

Anyway, are you really shocked by the real translation of "Lady Marmalade"?


No not really...

I'm already aware of the working girl theme,,,so the "Do you wanna sleep with me tonight? " is a giving and not so far behind lol
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Reply #18 posted 11/16/07 2:28pm

Timmy84

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Reply #19 posted 11/16/07 2:53pm

uPtoWnNY

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Pink, Mya,Christina, and Kim remade Lady Marmelade


...and totally ruined it. Nothing but a hot mess.
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Reply #20 posted 11/16/07 2:54pm

Timmy84

Harlepolis said:

Timmy84 said:



It's alright, Harley. comfort You know I love you like a fat kid loves cake. I know, dumb allegory but still love ya, baby. smile

Anyway, are you really shocked by the real translation of "Lady Marmalade"?


No not really...

I'm already aware of the working girl theme,,,so the "Do you wanna sleep with me tonight? " is a giving and not so far behind lol


True. lol
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Reply #21 posted 11/16/07 4:49pm

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falloff

No baby, none of them people are creole or have roots in Louisiana...

only Mya can pass but she's not creole...


lol





pictures of true creoles ... can you spot me?

even though Louisiana creole people can come in different skin colors, hair texture/color, and eye colors....those people on the picture are only an example.
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They all look alike so I'm guessing they're relatives. Well I'm having a hard time dscerning what a creoole is. There's adifference between cajun and creole.
I just know most of the mixed people in Southern Lousiana have french,black, and indian blood. But yes they have different skin colours,hairtypes, voices, and facial features. Beyonce is probrably the world's most famous. The guy in the bottom right remind me of a guy names Joe Batiste in Houston. You're not closely related are you?
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Reply #22 posted 11/16/07 5:16pm

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thekidsgirl said:

Angelic1302 said:

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Off topic, but the guy in the tan shirt is a sexy beast! lol
Just wanted to say that, sorry if thats your man boxed


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Reply #23 posted 11/16/07 7:12pm

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The song was written by a guy named, Kenny Nolan. His claimed to fame was a song called, "I like Dreaming". He also wrote, "My eyes adored you", made famous by Frankie Vallie and "Get Dancin", done by "Disco Tex and the sex-o-lettes", which was Kenny and a few other people sing the parts.
"Love is like peeing in your pants, everyone sees it but only you feel its warmth"
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Reply #24 posted 11/17/07 6:59am

2Jay

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Timmy84 said:

No, she didn't even write the song. lol



Patti just now finding out in recent years what the hell "voulez-vous coucher avec moi (ce soir)" meant that whole time. lol


lol Had ta go on the wikipedia site ta find dat out lol

It means, "Do you want to sleep with me(tonight)"
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Reply #25 posted 11/17/07 7:03am

2Jay

Wikipedia:

The English word creole derives from the French créole, which in turn came from Portuguese crioulo. This word, a derivative of the verb criar ("to raise"), was coined in the 15th century, in the trading and military outposts established by Portugal in West Africa and Cape Verde. It was originally applied to descendants of the Portuguese settlers who were born and "raised" locally. The word then spread to other languages, probably by the Portuguese slave traders who supplied most of the slaves to South America through the 16th century.

While the Portuguese may have originally reserved the term crioulo to people of strictly European descent, the crioulo population eventually came to be dominated by people of mixed Portuguese and African ancestry. This mixing happened relatively quickly in most Portuguese colonies of the time, due to the scarcity of Portuguese-born women in the settlements, and to a Portuguese Crown policy of encouraging mixed marriages in the colonies.

These crioulos of mixed Portuguese and African descent eventually gave rise to several major ethnic groups in Africa, especially in Cape Verde, Guinea-Bissau, São Tomé e Príncipe, Ziguinchor (Casamance), Angola, Mozambique. However, only a few of these groups have retained the name Crioulo or variations of it:

Cape Verde: the dominant ethnic group, called Kriolus or Kriols in the local language; the language itself is also called Kriolu or Kriol
Guinea-Bissau: Crioulos
São Tomé and Príncipe: Crioulos.

[edit] Other Native African Creoles
Equatorial Guinea: Arguably Los Fernandinos, also known as Emancipados, were those of native Bubi and Spanish ancestry. It wasn't uncommon for offspring of such unions to be accepted into the indigenous tribe; however, Los Fernandinos were later encouraged to collectively settle in Annobón as well as the Canary Islands, forming their own societies.
It's also purported that a new wave of Creole immigrant descendants of freed slaves of Sierra Leone and Liberia are known as Fernandinos.

[edit] Ethnic groups in Africa of African American descent
In Sierra Leone there is the Krio ethnic group whose ancestors were freed slaves from the United States, Canada, the British West Indies and various parts of West Africa. Their offspring (born in the Freetown colony) came to be known as Creoles or its cognate Krio. Some of these Krios or creoles were also of mixed ancestry. Many Krio immigrated into other African countries, like Equatorial Guinea where they are known as Kriollos or in Nigeria where they were known as Saros. It's also purported that a new wave of Creole immigrant descendants of freed slaves of Sierra Leone and Liberia are known as Fernandinos


[edit] Spanish American Criollos
Main article: Spanish Criollo peoples
In Spanish-speaking Latin America, the word criollo (cognate and closest equivalent of English Creole) generally refers to people of unmixed European (typically Spanish) descent born in the New World. According to the Spanish American caste system, people with European and indigenous origin who possessed 1/8th or less of Amerindian ancestry, were also considered criollos (unlike people with mainly European and some black African ancestry, who were deemed to be mulatto or mixed-raced). In any case, the expression Spanish American criollo is only applicable to people born in the New World.

Throughout the colonial period, a caste system was effectively in force, where the local-born criollos ranked strictly lower than governing peninsulares ("born in the Iberian Peninsula"), despite both being of European ancestry. By the 19th century, this discrimination and the example of the American Revolution and the Enlightenment eventually led the criollo elite to rebel against the Spanish rule. Enlisting in many cases the support of the even lower classes — castizos, mestizos, cholos, mulattos, amerindians, zambos, and ultimately blacks — they engaged Spain in the Mexican War of Independence (1810–1821) and the South American Wars of Independence (1810–1826), which ended with the break-up of former Spanish Empire in America into a number of independent republics.


[edit] Brazilian Crioulos
In Brazil, the word crioulo came to mean dark skinned person, that is, a person of predominantly African ancestry. In the Colony it was common to refer to a slave born in Brazil as a "crioulo" and to a slave from Africa as an "african".So the word "crioulo" in Brazil was not more used to people of European descent born and raised there, but instead used to slaves born and raised in Brazil. Later, the word "crioulo" would refer to all people of African ancestry.

African slaves were imported into the country from the 17th century until the first half of the 19th century. Due to their multiple ethnic roots and to the extension of the country, the Brazilian slaves and their descendants did not constitute a cohesive ethnic group. On the other hand, as in the Portuguese colonies in Africa, people of mixed Portuguese and African ancestry soon came to constitute a large segment of the population, in which there were no sharp class divisions based on degrees of "Africaness".

As a consequence, the term crioulo never became the name of an ethnic group. Instead it became simply a racial label, that is now considered highly offensive — roughly with the same connotations that nigger has in the US.


[edit] Philippine Criollos (Insulares)
During the colonial era of the Philippines, the Spanish term criollo was used with the same sense as Spanish America, namely, in reference to a person born in the Philippines with wholly Spanish ancestry. However, the term was not widely used, and instead were more commonly called insulares ("from the islands"), to contrast them with the higher-ranking peninsulares born on the Iberian Peninsula. However, the most common term was filipinos ("from the Philippines").

The meaning of filipino changed drastically during the Philippine Revolution. It was adopted by nationalist movements and transformed into a national designation that encompassed the entire population of the Philippines, especially the descendants of the native Austronesian peoples. In fact, the meaning of Filipino today is the opposite of its colonial meaning, since it tends to include the mestizos of mixed Spanish descent, who are seen as foreigners; as well as the non-mixed criollos.


[edit] Louisiana Creoles
Main article: Louisiana Creole people
In the United States, the word "Creole" usually refers to people of any race or mixture thereof who are descended from settlers in colonial French Louisiana before it became part of the United States in 1803 with the Louisiana Purchase. Some writers from other parts of the country have mistakenly assumed the term to refer only to people of mixed racial descent, but this is not the traditional Louisiana usage. It is now accepted that Creoles form a broad cultural group of people of all races who share a French or Spanish background. Louisianans who identify themselves as "Creole" are most commonly from historically Francophone communities with some ancestors who came to Louisiana either directly from France or via the French colonies in the Caribbean. (Those descended from the Acadians of French Canada usually identify as Cajuns, rather than Creoles.) The term is also often used to mean simply "pertaining to New Orleans". The general perception of a Creole is usually of an olive toned individual and has been connoted more recently to be a person with strong African-American consanguine relations. While this is true for a number of the Creole population, not all have these ties and many are White New Orleanians or Whites in Southeast Louisiana. Others show a range of races native to post and pre-colonial settlement of Louisiana, notably Native American.


[edit] Alaska Creoles
People of mixed Native American (especially Alaskan) and European (esp. Russian) ancestry. The intermingling of promyshleniki men and Aleut women in the late 18th century gave rise to a people who assumed a prominent position in the economy of fur trading in the northern Pacific.


[edit] Caribbean Creoles
In the Caribbean region, the term Creole is sometimes used to describe anyone, regardless of race or ethnicity, who was born and raised in the region. It is sometimes used to refer to persons of European, African, or mixed Afro-European descent, in contradistinction to other ethnicities such as East Indians in Trinidad and Guyana, Afro-Portuguese in Barbados or Mestizos in Belize. It also refers to the syncretism of the various cultures (African, French, British and Spanish among others) which influenced the area. This is also referred to as the creolization of society "due to its ability to suggest some of the complex sociocultural issues also involved in the process" (Manuel, p. 14). Creole, 'Kreyol' or 'Kweyol' also refers to languages in the Caribbean that are derived from a fusion of African and European languages, dialects and syntax.


[edit] Indian Ocean Creoles
In Mauritius, in the Indian ocean, the term denotes someone whose ancestry is so mixed that they don't belong to the other categories (small white, big white, Indian, Chinese, and so on).[original research?]

In Reunion island, creole is a more inclusive term that denotes all those born on the island.

Kind of confusing, if i do say so myself shrug
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Reply #26 posted 11/17/07 8:34am

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Let's start with the guy on the bottom left, that's my fiance, now let's go clockwise, the first girl is my first cousin on my dad's side, the guy next to her is also my first cousin also on my dad's side(all our dads are brothers), then comes my sister, and then there's me in the middle kind of scrunching down.



ok so the girl in the green striped shirt is my sister and let's go clockwise, the next guy aka the sexy beast LOL is my first cousin on my dad's side and the next guy is our 3rd cousin on our dad's side, his dad and our dads are first cousins, and then there's me at the bottom.
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Me ME ME ME ME...U U U U U!
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Reply #27 posted 11/17/07 9:46pm

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That's you in both pictures? I guess you're in Louisiana. Your fiance, is he creole? I think Creole means mixed with black and cajun means mixe with french. You have your own interoretation?
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Reply #28 posted 11/17/07 10:52pm

Harlepolis

Angelic1302 said:



Let's start with the guy on the bottom left, that's my fiance, now let's go clockwise, the first girl is my first cousin on my dad's side, the guy next to her is also my first cousin also on my dad's side(all our dads are brothers), then comes my sister, and then there's me in the middle kind of scrunching down.



ok so the girl in the green striped shirt is my sister and let's go clockwise, the next guy aka the sexy beast LOL is my first cousin on my dad's side and the next guy is our 3rd cousin on our dad's side, his dad and our dads are first cousins, and then there's me at the bottom.


You look like the light-skinned version of Phylicia Rashad in the 1st pic. And you look like young Patti Austin in the 2nd nod

Such a pretty dame, you're cool sexy
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Reply #29 posted 11/18/07 11:06am

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Well Phylicia Rashad is from Houston which is about 1 hour and a half from The Louisiana border. She might be creole. Her sister Debbie Allen is kind of light skinned.
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