the artwork is so damn awesome

GreenLeaves said:

i'm a poor college student and i paid.

Stealing is getting away with theft.

They're telling you that you may take it.

Whatever it is that you do to earn a living (maybe you're just 14 and I'm wasting my time), I hope you understand that time-invested=self-supportion.

When you have children to take care of, that's one more factor to multiply the equation.

I get the jist that you are assuming that all artists are here for our enjoyment, like a jester to a king.

If you were truly a lover of music, then you would give this man enough respect to donate a few bucks for his efforts.

If not, and also be so rude as to give anyone with said respect toward the music childish, cyber-carbonated hand gestures,
then, I hope you don't like it at all.

Roll that five bucks up and put it on your finger, cuz that's the most expensive ring you're ever gonna wear.

evenstar said:

I'm a poor asshole, and I won't.

Nah, I probably won't end up downloading it at all, paid or not. No bullshit. If it was a new NIN album though, I probably would just go ahead and steal it.

Wouldn't expect this collaboration to go down, but cool.

nayroo2002 said:

The "steal" comment was a joke - earlier in the thread, I mentioned that I was aware of the fact that you could either purchase or be given the album. So that part of your post makes no sense.

How old I am (as well as the field I work in, and whether or not I have any children) is actually none of your business.

You aren't as perceptive as you apparently believe you are - I don't think musicians/artists were put here purely for our enjoyment/entertainment. It seems your reading comprehension is lacking as well, because I also mentioned that I do purchase music, as well as downloading it. So what is your problem - my honesty about the fact that I do download music? Why should I lie and bullshit about it? And Yes, I love music - you insisting otherwise (because you feel I go about acquiring it in manner you feel is wrong), doesn't make it so.

Have you paid for every single song in your music collection?

The middle finger smiley thing was also a joke - sorry if you lack the humor to pick up on that.

Actually, from the tone of your entire last post, you seem offended, and I'm not entirely sure why.

GreenLeaves said:

Because you come off as entirely ingnorant of the fact that this offer was made to rid this transaction of the "middle man."

It's an experiment to possibly help ween the public from acquiring music via "alternate" routes.

You seem to have an understanding of this system, but $16-20 is a rediculous amount to pay for something that costs around two dollars to produce (per unit).

The middle takes most.

This way is like working under the table, legally.

Avoid the corporate crap, They(the artists) make thiers, you(the consumer) pay less.

That's a system I'd like to see more of in our future.
Wouldn't you?

It won't happen if we all continue to take it all.
Give some directly to the artist. They deserve it.

Good fight,
Good night.

nayroo2002 said:

Actually, I don't see this as having anything to do with getting rid of a middleman - just an attempt to, like I said earlier, force people to decide where they stand (and what they will do) as far as illegal downloading, with a lot of hope from those involved, that they'll choose to pay for the work and possibly stop stealing music altogether.

And anyways, I've actually heard/read, that most musicians make the bulk of their profits from touring and not the music itself. How true that is, is anyone's guess - I have no idea, I'm not in the field.

And I may be very cynical, but why would most people choose to pay, (even a significantly reduced amount) for their music when they could just get it free?

..."Good fight"? Who's fighting here? When someone directs a comment at me, I respond. That's all this is.

Saul Williams is king, he lives and breathe hip hop. And he rocks as hard as they come when he wants to. Brilliant poet as well. Love the support that he is getting from TR. Artist like Saul needs to be heard, I'm glad that non Hiphop lovers are giving him real love not only due to the TR association but the quality of his work.
Our Prince has once again lead the way in this industry.

rebelsoldier said:

Co-sign. The collab of Saul and Trent sounds hellified. I'm difinitely going to have to check it out.

I downloaded this last night for frizee. I'll listen and if it moves me, I'll gladly shell out the $5.00, as I dig both trent and saul.

Damn, this is rough!

Bump because this needs to be checked out by more people here

unkemptpueblo said:

MikeMatronik said:

Fuck people complain about the state of music and shit, you bring this up and it's for free yet no one seems to be interested.

rebelsoldier said:

nayroo2002 said:

Exactly. I paid for the Radiohead album, even though I could have gotten it for free and I will pay for this as well

I am so glad someone here bought up this record.

Honestly, this is one of the best records released so far this year. Upon each spin it gets better and better. I really appreciate it when artist actually experiment (Prince take note). Saul, Radiohead, M.I.A, NIN, Bjork, Me'Shell,, it has been a good year for music. Now we just need more people to support it and get their head out of the pop world. There is so much good music out there, leave top 40 shit alone.

Wait, I thought I browsed this thread pretty throughly, but I didn't see anyone describe the album.
I've never heard of him before, can someone offer some insight??

thekidsgirl said:

download it for free...it then like it...give him ur 5 bucks!

i like the album alot

GreenLeaves said:

"Lots" of people smoke crack. A "bunch" of men beat their wives. Group mentality is not a defense. This is like when people try to justify stealing from Walmart. YOU ARE STEALING. If you've made peace with that, fine- but saying you don't understand why others don't steal is fucking ignorant. The minute someone devalues your JOB and fucks with YOUR MONEY, you'll understand. Just because Trent had an OINK account, he didn't stop paying for music. Find me a musician who eats and lives for free, and I'll agree with your argument. You are entitled to NOTHING.

That being said, this album is the shit.
[Edited 11/6/07 8:10am]

SleezyG said:

"Lots of people smoke crack."

Next time you come at me, all guns blazing, you just make sure you've read the entire goddamned thread first. Here's why:

My last post neither said (nor implied) anything about groupthink, and I wasn't trying to use groupthink to rationalize and justify my own acts, smartass.

Read this shit again, will you:



THAT'S what I said. In case you need a translation, that was me expressing my cynicism and doubt where the idea of everyone paying for their music is concerned - basically, me saying, "I don't think this shit is gonna work, and here's why". NOT an excuse. Be honest here - you just wanted to come in and bitch at somebody so you'd feel like a good little Nine Inch Nails fan. Creepy, much? I think so.

I'll steal if I damned well please, Thank You. I actually have a question for you, too - did you pay for all your music? I mean EVERY SINGLE SONG?

You're not terribly bright, are you? No where in any of my posts did I try to justify OTHER people stealing, or express confusion at the fact that other people possibly aren't. Shit, I didn't even justify my OWN musical theft - admitting that fact is not the same as saying it's okay. And if you'd had read the entire damn thread instead of rushing to "defend and save" your hero, you'd see that I said that roughly HALF of my collection was Limewire'd. What does that mean, "genius"? It means that the other half was PURCHASED.

I didn't say I was ENTITLED to shit. And what's with the Trent/Oink comparison? Shit, if anything, it HURTS your case, because he's guilty of the same shit you're bitching at me for. Somehow though, I think you wouldn't approach him and say the same bullshit you're saying to me, though, right? Let's be real here, you'd find all kinds of ways to justify it THEN.

I actually hadn't downloaded the NiggyTardust album - I wasn't just saying that. But thanks for pushing me to decide to do so - FOR FREE - right damn now.

MikeMatronik said:

I guess I'll have to