Donna Summer and Diana Ross shits on both of them hoes.
[Edited 11/2/07 16:13pm]

sosgemini said:

She did have a UK #1?? I was referencing singles, not albums. I was under the impression she's had no UK #1 singles, albums I'm not so sure about though. Sorry if I'm retreading something that's been said, I missed that thread!!

Madonna still puts out good music. I use to be a big Janet Jackson fan. I got lost with her when she kept putting out the same sound over & over. The only thing Janet has going for her right now is her acting. Madonna still is doing well musically.

Tuls101 said:

Yes, yes she had had hits in the UK and in other countries in Europe. No she was not on the same level as Madge but she had respectable showings. There was a whole list of stuff posted in another thread. She was/is(?) a global star...just not on the same level as Madge.

that's the non-bias opinion...on the flipside are the folks that say the world hasn't a clue who janet is (outsider of being mj's sister).

sosgemini said:

I was curious to see exactly what the stats were for Janet as far as singles go and this is what I found...sorry if it's been said before:

UK- 18 top tens
Australia- 1 number one (That's The Way Love Goes)
Canada- 6 number ones
Japan- 20 number ones (the most recent being So Excited)
Germany- 7 top tens
France- 1 number one (Scream)

So it's not fair to say everywhere she's just known as Michael's little sister, that's definitely hater B.S. but yes, as you said SOS she does come a bit short of Mo's tallies in the same places:

UK- 12 number ones
Australia- 12 number ones
Canada- 19 number ones
Japan- 22 number ones
Germany- 3 number ones
France- 3 number ones

vainandy said:

And don't forget about that James Brown sample (The Big Payback) that Jam/Lewis use to make this track. It's rather interesting that the funk was sample in order of this song to be the summer jam of 1993.
[Edited 11/2/07 20:52pm]

Tuls101 said:

This info is much more informative than the longer posts that dragged on and on.

Timmy84 said:

Glad to help Timmy!


Now start working on those Donna and Diana numbers!!! So we can get this thread REALLY goin...

Timmy84 said:

Remember when all this first started? It was, Janet is only known in the US. Then, Janet was only known in the US and Japan. And now we find out Janet had 18 UK top ten hits.

but....

just saying.

sosgemini said:

True, she's not as local as some people think/wish.

BUT...

This is a Janet vs. Madonna thread so.....

there can only be 1 winner!!

Tuls101 said:

You really want me to go off-topic for real? Maybe tomorrow.

Timmy84 said:

How about a Donna & Diana vs. Janet & Madonna thread!!
WWIII will officially start at the org with that!

Tuls101 said:

I wonder how the battling armies who are Janet and Madonna fans would think about this.

Timmy84 said:

If this is the only way to make the battlers call a truce so be it!! I love both....sure I like Madonna a little more, but I could never demean Miss. Janet...she's my second all time favorite. Why can't the M and Janet fanatics just FINALLY get along!?!?

Tuls101 said:

I love them both too and I'm with you on this, this fighting has gone on for too long.

TonyVanDam said:

So, do you like the stuff that Madonna samples?

Timmy84 said:

Well, as you know I'm a Janet fan who loves Diana and Donna. But, I will say that it's the same shit, yet different day. And, both Janet and Madonna are due out new albums soon so I expect for shit to get worse where comparing them are concerned. It's never ending. I use to love me some Madonna until I saw how shitty she was being to her fans. I was like, WTF?!?!? And, some of the ones she was being shitty to was just eating it up!! I was like, !
Both Janet and Madonna are in love with music and entertaining. True, some love one more than the other. Some love both ladies the same. Let's just see what both have to offer, cause this Janet vs. Madonna shit is getting too exhausting. Both started making music in the early 80s and are still going strong, but we just can't leave it at that, can we? NOPE! It's some mystical, unwritten rule that there has to be a winner. One must be better than the other. That's just the way it is! Okay, fine. I choose, Diana Ross over Donna Summer. Next, I choose JANET, DAMMIT!

sosgemini said:

Aaah man, you are too much! I wish I could invent memories like you. Life would be great. I'd be reminiscing on my fantasies all day long.

"Remember that time we went wind surfing over the Eifel Tower? And what about that threesome with Marilyn Monroe and Jane Fonda? Oh, I remember it like it was yesterday."

sosgemini said:

No, I don't remember that at all. It seems you're memorising your own misunderstanding. Show me where anyone said Janet was only known in the US. No-one ever said that. What we said was that she was nowhere near as big internationally as she was in the US and Japan. That's not the same thing as saying she was unknown elsewhere. She wasn't unknown. She was a medium-level star who enjoyed consistent medium-level success for about 14 years. She was never the artist on everyone's lips and her sales were never spectacular, but they were CONSISTENT. Therefore, over the years she was able to slowly and quietly acumulate a lot of Top 10 hits. I think that's about as clear an explanation as I can give.
[Edited 11/3/07 6:39am]

Tuls101 said:

These stats aren't comparing like with like though. For instance it says Janet had 7 Top 10 hits in Germany, but doesn't say how many Top 10 hits Madge had there. It says Madge had 12 UK Number Ones, but doesn't say how many Number Ones Janet had there (the answer by the way is none). So these stats are actually glossing over the shortfall by not making an equal comparison.

Tuls101 said:

Don't worry, your information is totally correct. She never had a No. 1 single here. She had one No. 1 album (janet in 1993). That's it. Another good indicator of popularity is live concerts. I saw her live in 1995 at Wembley Arena. That was her most succesful run here. She sold out three nights at the Arena. A solid, respectable run. But when you consider that Prince sold out nineteen nights at the same venue in 1990 it soon puts it into perspective. Madonna on the other hand could never play the Arena in the first place because it was TOO SMALL. She played the Stadium down the road instead, which is about six times bigger than the Arena. She sold it out three nights. MJ sold it out five nights. Even Prince sold it out one night in 1993. For Janet, playing the Stadium was never an option because she simply couldn't fill it.

P.S. Just to avoid confusion from the reading impaired, this is not the same thing as saying she was unknown here or that she had no fans here. No-one has ever said that. Just that there were never as many fans at any one time as there were for at least a dozen other artists.

I thought somebody posted that Together Again charted #1 for seven weeks in the UK....but now that i google i am not finding the info to verify...so was that the Euro charts then?

and i need to find that original thread were all the folks who are now denying their original claim that janet was irrelevant...i did an earlier search but came up empty handed and have to head out the door...i might have some time to look it up tomorrow.

folks be hating...and then denying... ;disbelief:

sosgemini said:

Dude, I don't know who told you that Together Again was No.1 here for 7 weeks, but you need to find that person and give them a slap. As has been verified by Timmy84 and everyone else here, Janet has never had a No.1 single in the UK.

sosgemini said:

The irony upon all ironies is that "Together Again" remains her biggest international single while "That's the Way Love Goes" remains her biggest U.S. single. She's big globally but I think all of us agree she's not on Madonna's level when it comes to things like that and yes she never has had a number-one hit in the UK, lol.

Even Diana and Donna had at least one or more number-one hits in the UK, lol. Which is why I said "they shit on them hoes". I was just playing but you know?
[Edited 11/3/07 8:40am]

shortstuff45220 said:

It's not a hip-hop album completely,but it's filled with hip-hop elements.Remove her vocals from "Human Nature" and you're basically left with a mid-90s instrumental hip-hop track.Ditto for "Survival" and "Inside Of Me" (which even includes an Aaliyah sample).

SoulAlive said:

Don't you mean an Isley Brothers song covered by Aaliyah that got sampled? LOL

DawnD said:

Shit hop isn't just rap music, it's a sound and the sound consists of a certain type of drum machines that sound weak and absolutely horrible. I didn't say she made whole albums of shit hop but making even one shit hop song is one too many.

someone needs to tell JD that janet was never hip hop

alphastreet said:

Hopefully JD won't be in the studio for anyone to tell him that! If we are so lucky...