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Printable"Vanity shit" were the conduit/inspiration for Nasty Girl which is a great song. The other day on here someone posted some "super talented yet ignored" girl doing karaoke version of "Smile", total snoozefest.
Also some of the most talented artists aren't great singers. Persona, image, the ability to capture public imagination, great lyrics etc all factor in. Vanity certainly captured public imagination for a time, that was her talent. These warblers with no fresh songs are worthless. Now if you combine a talented artist with decent material we might be onto something and admit thats a win-win. Until then I'll be enjoying Britney Spears' new album of catchy enjoyable music before I listen to wide octave ranges go through cover versions or tired new stuff. Glug, glug like a mug | |
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SpecialEd said: "Vanity shit" were the conduit/inspiration for Nasty Girl which is a great song. The other day on here someone posted some "super talented yet ignored" girl doing karaoke version of "Smile", total snoozefest.
Excuse me but what is a great song according to you, is not a great song in my eyes... 
That's why I don't want to talk about Music, becuse everybody has different tastes... SpecialEd said: "Also some of the most talented artists aren't great singers. Persona, image, the ability to capture public imagination, great lyrics etc all factor in. Vanity certainly captured public imagination for a time, that was her talent.
Ho yeah no doubt about it Vanity shit, Jlo, Cassie, Britney, Pussycat Dolls got persona, image, and the ability to capture public imagination... But Do they have any musical talent whatsoever? Can they sing? Can they perform on stage LIVE? If not, I don't care about how good looking they are... Take your good image and getta fuck outta here... And I don't care who fucking produces your album... I don't legitmate a talentless artist on somebody else's talent. What captures my imagination is TALENTED ARTISTS.... SpecialEd said: These warblers with no fresh songs are worthless. Now if you combine a talented artist with decent material we might be onto something and admit thats a win-win. Until then I'll be enjoying Britney Spears' new album of catchy enjoyable music before I listen to wide octave ranges go through cover versions or tired new stuff.
Yeah, you support crap talentless artists, that's why Music sucks... Sorry but what is catchy enjoyable music to you is not in my opinion... [Edited 11/10/07 9:28am] | |
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krayzie said: vainandy said: I never said that kids say fuck singing. I am the one that said fuck singing, I was referring to myself not them. I said they don't care about music. Do you understand what I mean when I say "music"? Maybe that's what you are not understanding. I'm talking about instruments....drums, bass, etc. These are the things that kids don't care about. All they care about is what is in some rapper's lyrics. Yeah, they like singing too but none of it these days, the singing or the rapping, is over music. No, you misunderstand me, I said kids talk just like you, they say fuck singin. They have the same mentality.... Kids dont care about singing anymore, don't care about talent... Just like you they have no problem to support talentless people like Vantity Shit... That's why the music R&B is full of talentless lipsyncers... That's why maintream R&b Music sucks now... Yeah this is what I said, that's why you supported talentless people like Vanity Shit. And now singing doesn't matter anymore for kids... Kids have embraced your mentality, that's why they love all those lipsyncers that need backtracking to perform on stage... This is the norm now... I'm sorry I don't accept that... As Najee said before, you choose to ignore things so you can twist things around. "The music that makes them shake their asses"? Well, yes, I know they are shaking their asses but, I ask again, where is the music they are shaking their asses to? I don't hear any music making them shake their ass. Where is the drums and the bass? And no, those weak shit hop sounding drum machines are not an acceptable answer because that is NOT music. Now, once again, for the 81st time? Where is the music that they are shaking asses to that's supposed to make them a direct result of what I like? I twist nothing, I just show you that when you accept and tolerate mediocre and talentless people, you automatically kill R&B Music... that's my point of view... And Vanity Shit damaged R&B music... Because they are mediocre talentless people... And concerning music, I don't want to argue about that because it's really a question of taste... I'm more concerned about talent and quality no matter what style of music you do... Because there's something that nobody can't deny : TALENT Nobody can't deny the talent of Whitney Houston, and nobody can't deny the mediocrity of Vanity shit... No matter who produce their music behind... This is where everything should started in the first place... Do you have talent ? Have you any kind of Musical ability whatsoever (singing, playing instrument etc)? Can you perform on stage LIVE ? This is what should matter, and your Vanity shit can't pass the test... I have nothing against hip hop, rock, or funk, or soul... So arguing about music genres is meaningless to me... I only care about talent and quality, because without talent there's no good Music... There's no Prince, no Stevie, no MArvin, No Donny, No Sly, No James Brown, No Otis, No Al Green... They are all different, they all make different music, but they all have something in common, they have TALENT... And Vanity shit don't have talent... [Edited 11/10/07 6:38am] I love how you just conveniently act like you don't see what I've said about any less than talented singers I may like having musicians behind their singing. Then you focus on "producers" and rave on and on about singing and talent. Do you just not see the parts I've typed about musicians and music being behind their singing in almost each and every response I've given you? Or do you just not want to see it because it would make your argument weaker? I have said repeatedly that the ones I like have real music behind them. I have even broken down to you what I mean when I refer to "music" meaning real instruments such as drums, bass, etc. Then even go so far as to ask you what "music" these kids like since people like me are the downfall of music. Your response is "the music these kids are shaking ass to". You know exactly what I'm asking but you are acting like you don't so you can continue raving about singers and how talented they are. Are musicians not talented? Can any fool pick up an instrument and play it? I have said I accept less than talented singers with real music behind them, meaning musicians. You are the one that is going on about me accepting the right producer. I don't give a damn about a producer because a producer these days doesn't even have to be a musician. I have explained about musicians several times and musicians are the ones making "music", not singers. Now, if you can't understand that then there's no way that I or anyone else can explain it to you any better. Now, so that you don't miss the musicians part again, go and write "musicians" on a blackboard 5,000 times. And the talented part that you keep raving about is in the musicians that are making music behind the less than talented singer. Do these singers today have musicians (I'll break it down again....drums, bass, etc.....real instruments) behind their music? No they don't and that's the difference between their music and mine. Now, if musicians aren't talented, then yes, you are right, I am the reason for today's music being fucked up. . . . [Edited 11/10/07 9:33am] Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Okay you don't like "Nasty Girl", thats semantics. If we go through your favourites there'll be some songs that are sung by lesser lights. I can't believe you go around 100% needing talented artists before just accepting the initial surface level that pulls you in. Very disciplined if so.
Your point is made clearly though, you and Vainandy go around in circles stating your positions. Different tastes yes. Glug, glug like a mug | |
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SpecialEd said: Okay you don't like "Nasty Girl", thats semantics. If we go through your favourites there'll be some songs that are sung by lesser lights. I can't believe you go around 100% needing talented artists before just accepting the initial surface level that pulls you in. Very disciplined if so.
Your point is made clearly though, you and Vainandy go around in circles stating your positions. Different tastes yes. Well, my favorite music is musically driven rather than vocally driven. And we all know that musicians have no talent whatsoever. The only talented people on this earth are singers. I don't know what fool signed instrumental groups such as Booker T. and the MG's. Didn't someone tell them that they have no talent? . . . [Edited 11/10/07 9:47am] Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: Well, my favorite music is musically driven rather than vocally driven. And we all know that musicians have no talent whatsoever. The only talented people on this earth are singers. I don't know what fool signed instrumental groups such as Booker T. and the MG's. Didn't someone tell them that they have no talent? . . . [Edited 11/10/07 9:47am] Yeah you're listening for something else in the music, the instrumental. Its much more complex than this simplistic call for talented artists. Of course more talented artists is a good thing theres just much more to it. For people like myself favoured producers factor in also. Glug, glug like a mug | |
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vainandy said: I love how you just conveniently act like you don't see what I've said about any less than talented singers I may like having musicians behind their singing. Then you focus on "producers" and rave on and on about singing and talent. Do you just not see the parts I've typed about musicians and music being behind their singing in almost each and every response I've given you? Or do you just not want to see it because it would make your argument weaker? so I'm going to repeat again : NO MATTER WHO PLAYS INSTRUMENTS BEHIND OR MUSICIAN BEHIND OR MUSIC BEHIND OR ULTRA MEGA TALENTED ARTIST PRODUCING YOUR ALBUM BEHIND, I WON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR LIPSYNCERS AND TALENTLESS ARTISTS. WHEN YOU ACCEPT TALENTLESS PEOPLE LIKE VANITY SHIT YOU AUTOMATICALLY DAMAGE R&B MUSIC. That's why R&B music sucks now. I'm sorry, I don't give a shit who fucking play instrument behind Vanity Shit. Vanity Shit have ZERO talent. If you have NO MUSICAL talent whatsoever, Can't perform, can't sing, you should not have a career in the music industry. This is where everything should start in the first place, TALENT FIRST. I repeat again : TALENTLESS PEOPLE WITH REAL MUSICIANS BEHIND ARE NOT LEGITIMATE ARTISTS IN MY EYES. vainandy said: I have said repeatedly that the ones I like have real music behind them. I have even broken down to you what I mean when I refer to "music" meaning real instruments such as drums, bass, etc. Then even go so far as to ask you what "music" these kids like since people like me are the downfall of music. Your response is "the music these kids are shaking ass to". You know exactly what I'm asking but you are acting like you don't so you can continue raving about singers and how talented they are. My friend you have your own conception of "real music", just like I have my own conception of "real music". Again iit's a question o taste... I'm more focused on quality and talent... This is what should matter in the first place... And everybody agrees on the fact that Whitney has talent and Vanity Shit have none... From that point of view, all the rest is meaningless... And to be honest I'm not against the evolution of music as long as the talent is right there behind. Prince has used a lot of drum machines and computers in his music since the 80's... And it did it pretty good because he's talented... vainandy said: Are musicians not talented?[/b] Can any fool pick up an instrument and play it?[/b] I have said I accept less than talented singers with real music behind them, meaning musicians. You are the one that is going on about me accepting the right producer. I don't give a damn about a producer because a producer these days doesn't even have to be a musician.
Excuse me, but I never said musicians are not talented... But since you want to talk about musicians, Are Vanity Shit able to play instruments ? No, they have zero musical talent whatsoever... And concerning producers, a lot of producers these days can play instruments. And again, a lot of producers can play instrements, for example Ryan Lesly who produces Cassie can play various instruments. vainandy said: I have explained about musicians several times and musicians are the ones making "music", not singers.
Again this is your own point of view... Your own conception... That's why I don't argue about Music... Everybody has his own conception of "real music" or "good music"... Musicians are the ones who perform music, those who make music are producers. And sometimes producers are also musicians. And There are a lot of musicians who can't make music for shit... vainandy said: Now, if you can't understand that then there's no way that I or anyone else can explain it to you any better. Now, so that you don't miss the musicians part again, go and write "musicians" on a blackboard 5,000 times. And the talented part that you keep raving about is in the musicians that are making music behind the less than talented singer. Do these singers today have musicians (I'll break it down again....drums, bass, etc.....real instruments) behind their music? No they don't and that's the difference between their music and mine. Now, if musicians aren't talented, then yes, you are right, I am the reason for today's music being fucked up.
My friend... you run out of gas... That's why you try to put all the emphasis on musicians now and refuse to admit the fact that talentless people in the music industry are the real problem. The Music industry is full of Vanity Shit impersonators who have no musical ability whatsoever. And kids have accept that as a norm... And it started back in the 80's. Tell me whats so difference between Vanity Shit and T Pain ? Look the crap garbage of shit that you like : Vanity Shit http://youtube.com/watch?v=-Sm_hfPstLk T Pain http://youtube.com/watch?v=H2QZ0Z0l9hI Oh yeah they have musicians behind, but they suck shit... They have no talent... That's why R&B sucks now... All those talentless people have polluted the R&B scene for the past 25 years. [Edited 11/10/07 11:28am] | |
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I don't know why you guys keep bringing up Vanity.She had like what...2 hits?! She didn't really make much of any impact as a recording artist. | |
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krayzie said: That's why I don't want to talk about Music, becuse everybody has different tastes...
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krayzie said:
Again this is your own point of view... Your own conception... That's why I don't argue about Music... You don't argue about music but yet you are on the sixth page of a thread titled "The reason current R&B music sucks". Read the title again, it doesn't say "The reason current R&B singers suck". My friend... you run out of gas...
That's why you try to put all the emphasis on musicians now and refuse to admit the fact that talentless people in the music industry are the real problem. Oh, I've run out of gas and have just now put all the emphasis on musicians? I have been praising musicians ever since I joined the org in 2004 and long before I even joined. Tell me whats so difference between Vanity Shit and T Pain ?
Look the crap garbage of shit that you like : Vanity Shit http://youtube.com/watch?v=-Sm_hfPstLk T Pain http://youtube.com/watch?v=H2QZ0Z0l9hI I don't know who the hell T Pain is and I can't see youtube videos on this computer. And no, I am not just saying that. Check my history on the org. You'll see that I've said several times that I can't see youtube videos or any other videos on this computer. Prince has used a lot of drum machines and computers in his music since the 80's... And it did it pretty good because he's talented...
And the sound of Prince's drum machines was much harder and stronger than the type of drum machines these days that just barely tap lightly. Prince's drum machines pounded. He used real drums also. And most importantly, his drum machines back then did not resemble shit hop in even the slightest form. I'm sorry, I don't give a shit who fucking play instrument behind Vanity Shit.
Vanity Shit have ZERO talent. And I could give less than a lovely damn about how well any of these clowns today can sing. The so-called musicians behind them have ZERO talent. That shit works both ways. . . [Edited 11/10/07 13:09pm] Andy is a four letter word. | |
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SoulAlive said: I don't know why you guys keep bringing up Vanity.She had like what...2 hits?! She didn't really make much of any impact as a recording artist.I'm not the one that keeps bringing her up. Go back and read some of those posts. He keeps throwing her name around like she was a major influential figure like Elvis or something. Najee told him like it is. He despises the fact that I made a statement in another thread months ago that I would take a singer like Vanity who couldn't sing but had some funk behind her over some boring ass like Shitney Houston that can sing but sings over boring ass music. He's had that hair up his ass about Vanity ever since. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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DAMN! You two are STILL arguing about this.  | |
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vainandy said: krayzie said:
Again this is your own point of view... Your own conception... That's why I don't argue about Music... You don't argue about music but yet you are on the sixth page of a thread titled "The reason current R&B music sucks" Read the title again, it doesn't say "The reason current R&B singers suck". My friend, I argue about "why R&B music sucks", not about Music tastes... I don't argue about Music tastes... Oh, I've run out of gas and have just now put all the emphasis on musicians? I have been praising musicians ever since I joined the org in 2004 and long before I even joined. My friend, since you want to talk about real musicians now, I ask you this question, Can Vanity Shit play instruments ? I repeat again, because you say you care about musican now, can Vanity Shit play instrument ? I don't know who the hell T Pain is and I can't see youtube videos on his computer. I know I am not just saying that. Check my history on the org. You'll see that I've said several times that I can't see youtube videos or any other videos on this computer. To be honest, you miss nothing...
And the sound of Prince's drum machines was much harder and stronger than the type of drum machines these days that just barely tap lightly. Prince's drum machines pounded. He used real drums also. And most importantly, his drum machines back then did not resemble shit hop in even the slightest form. Again, that's pretty much arguing about music tastes... Meaningless And I could give less than a lovely damn about how well any of these clowns today can sing. Yeah that's exactly why R&B music sucks now, because the music industry is polluted by talentless people like Vanity Shit who can't sing, who have no talent whatsoever... People give them a pass because they like the Music behind ... | |
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krayzie said:
My friend, I argue about "why R&B music sucks", not about Music tastes...
No, you argue about how well someone can sing. You haven't argued about the actual music the first time. My friend, since you want to talk about real musicians now, I ask you this question, Can Vanity Shit play instruments ?
I repeat again, because you say you care about musican now, can Vanity Shit play instrument ? I don't give a damn if she can play an instrument or not. She's got somebody behind her that can play an instrument. Hell, as long as somebody is playing the instruments I don't care. And no, that's not the same as today's artists because they have no instruments behind them. Yeah that's exactly why R&B music sucks now, because the music industry is polluted by talentless people like Vanity Shit who can't sing, who have no talent whatsoever...
People give them a pass because they like the Music behind ... I'm tired of typing this question over and over to respond to this statement that you keep bringing up. This time I'm just going to quote my damn self so I don't have to keep typing it over again..... vainandy said: I ask again, where is the music they are shaking their asses to? I don't hear any music making them shake their ass. Where is the drums and the bass? And no, those weak shit hop sounding drum machines are not an acceptable answer because that is NOT music.
Now, once again, for the 81st time? Where is the music that they are shaking asses to that's supposed to make them a direct result of what I like? Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: krayzie said:
My friend, I argue about "why R&B music sucks", not about Music tastes...
No, you argue about how well someone can sing. You haven't argued about the actual music the first time. Nope I argue about the subject "The reason current R&B music sucks." And the reason why Music sucks is because the music industry has embraced talentless people like Vanity Shit OVER REAL talent... That's why I disagree with you, you accept talentless people like Vanity Shit, I don't... vainandy said: I don't give a damn if she can play an instrument or not. She's got somebody behind her that can play an instrument. Hell, as long as somebody is playing the instruments I don't care. And no, that's not the same as today's artists because they have no instruments behind them.
Yeah first you said you don't give a damn if they can sing, now you tell me you don't give a damn if they can play insutrument ... In fact you don't give a damn if they have TALENT IN THE FIRST PLACE... And this is why R&B sucks now, because kids support talentless R&B lipsyncers like Vanity Shit who can't sing or can't play instrument or can't perform Live, who have no musical talent whatsoever... vainandy said: I'm tired of typing this question over and over to respond to this statement that you keep bringing up. This time I'm just going to quote my damn self so I don't have to keep typing it over again..... I ask again, where is the music they are shaking their asses to? I don't hear any music making them shake their ass. Where is the drums and the bass? And no, those weak shit hop sounding drum machines are not an acceptable answer because that is NOT music.
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Now, once again, for the 81st time? Where is the music that they are shaking asses to that's supposed to make them a direct result of what I like? I already answered to your question several times, the music behind is the music they like, the music that makes them shake their asses... [Edited 11/10/07 14:03pm] | |
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krayzie said:
Yeah first you said you don't give a damn if they can sing, now you tell me you don't give a damn if they can play insutrument ...
In fact you don't give a damn if they have TALENT IN THE FIRST PLACE... I care about the musicians behind the singer being talented. And to quote myself again so I don't have to retype it: vainandy said:
Hell, as long as somebody is playing the instruments I don't care. krayzie said: I already answered to your question several times, the music behind is the music they like, the music that makes them shake their asses...
Once again, I will quote my own self and, this time, pay attention to the part in red..... vainandy said:
I ask again, where is the music they are shaking their asses to? I don't hear any music making them shake their ass. Where is the drums and the bass? And no, those weak shit hop sounding drum machines are not an acceptable answer because that is NOT music. Now, once again, for the 81st time? Where is the music that they are shaking asses to that's supposed to make them a direct result of what I like? . . [Edited 11/10/07 14:19pm] Andy is a four letter word. | |
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krayzie said: vainandy said: Because of what she sings. She sings over shit hop. She sings very well but the music behind her is bullshit. Hell, Shitney Houston can sing also. So can Barbara Streisand, Michael Bolton, Judy Garland, (hell somebody throw an opera singer's name my way), and a whole lot of other people....but look at what they sing. I don't care if someone started singing in a crack house. As a matter of fact, I don't care if they can sing at all. All that matters to me is the music behind their singing because that's what shakes my ass, not their singing. If a singer ain't got some funk behind them, they need to get the hell out of the way and make room for someone who's going to put some funk behind them. That's exactly the reason why Music is crap nowdays. Vainandy represents everything I hate. And all the kids now think just like him. Music died when people accepted mediocrity as a norm. How many kids I have seen on Youtube saying exactly the same thing. How many kids saying how much they love T pain, even though they know very well that he can absolutely not sing. They only love him because he makes the hits that makes their asses shake. The art of singing died when a generation of sensless people decided that crap singers are acceptable as long as they have their favorite producers behind and make hits. And Vainandy is part of that generation. And right now children of that generation grew up with that same shitty mentality and support crap singers like Britney SPears Pussycat dolls and T pain over real singers. Music died when image and top producers became more important than singing and real talent. Kids now don't care about singing, all they care is the producers behind and how they look. That's why the Pussycats dolls, Britney Spears and T pain are the dominant artists in the charts. They can't sing, and everybody knows it, but kids don't care. As long as they have the right music behind. Music is dominated by talentless artists now. They all can't sing, can't perform on stage, that's why they lipsync. They lip sync because they can't sing their own songs live on stage. The music industry is dominated by lipsyncers because a lot of kids don't care about singing. The non singers sell more records than REAL singers who don't have the producers that make people shaking their asses. Give me Whitney Houston or Beyonce over all of your Madonna, Vanity Shit, Jenifer Lopez, Janet, Britney, Pussycats dolls all that crap who have dominated the music for the last 25 years. And I don't give a shit how talented the producers are... And how uptempo their music is... The art of singing has become so irrelevant these days, because too many people have adopted that same shitty mentality. Vocally, this decade has been the all time worst. I can't name more than 2 or 3 artists who can REALLY sing. I don't even say great singers, because you have to go back to the 90's to find great singers. And another thing FUCK IMAGE. When I was kid, artists didn't have to look good to sell records. Producers and Image over Talent and real singing, this is what killed Music... Music died when people accepted mediocrity as a norm. We need to go back to the basics... [Edited 10/31/07 5:35am] AMEN!!  | |
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vainandy said: I'm not the one that keeps bringing her up. Go back and read some of those posts. He keeps throwing her name around like she was a major influential figure like Elvis or something. Najee told him like it is. He despises the fact that I made a statement in another thread months ago that I would take a singer like Vanity who couldn't sing but had some funk behind her over some boring ass like Shitney Houston that can sing but sings over boring ass music. He's had that hair up his ass about Vanity ever since. Oh,I know,it's krayzie who has the weird obsession with Vanity | |
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vainandy said: krayzie said:
Yeah first you said you don't give a damn if they can sing, now you tell me you don't give a damn if they can play insutrument ...
In fact you don't give a damn if they have TALENT IN THE FIRST PLACE... I care about the musicians behind the singer being talented. And to quote myself again so I don't have to retype it:
Yeah this what I'm saying you don't care if Vanity Shit have any musical talent whatsoever... That's why you accept mediocre talentless lipsyncers like Vanity Shit... Because you don't care... Kids do the same thing, they don't care about talent anymore... They don't care if Cassie is talented, they don't care if T pain is talented, If Omarion is talented ... That's why R&B Music went down hill, when people have accepted mediocrity in the first place... That's scary... I ask again, where is the music they are shaking their asses to? I don't hear any music making them shake their ass. Where is the drums and the bass? And no, those weak shit hop sounding drum machines are not an acceptable answer because that is NOT music. My friend, I don't know why you ask me where is the drums or the bass...
And we have different taste when it comes to Music... To me the fundamental question to explain why current R&B music sucks is where IS TALENT IN THE R&B SCENE... This is what we need right now... TALENT Sadly they have been replaced slowly by talentless lipsyncers like Vanity Shit, CASSIE, JLO, T PAIN ETC... The reason why R&B Music was better back in the day is simply because R&b artists were more talented, have real musical abilities... Now they all look like Vanity Shit... [Edited 11/10/07 15:08pm] | |
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krayzie said:
My friend, I don't know why you ask me where is the drums or the bass...
And we have different taste when it comes to Music... Because if I am supposed to be the direct result of why music sucks today because kids only care about shaking their ass, then I ask you the question, what are they shaking ass to? It's certainly not drums, bass, or any other musical instruments, or things that I like. They are shaking their asses over a stripped down weak shit hop drum machine and they are shaking faster than the tempo of the beat they are shaking to. Now, does that sound like the type of stuff that I would listen to? Hell naw! Those aren't the things that I like. If they were shaking their asses over some hard uptempo funk with plenty of drums, bass, and musical instruments....then yeah, you would have every reason in the world to put the blame on me. As for the other stuff that has been argued over and over, it is simply this.....  Andy is a four letter word. | |
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SoulAlive said: I don't know why you guys keep bringing up Vanity.She had like what...2 hits?!
She didn't really make much of any impact as a recording artist.I agree. Krayzie is acting like Vanity 6 marked the end of soul music with "Nasty Girl" when there have been plenty of acts before and after them who had a hit song (much less a prolonged career) with mediocre singing skills but an ability to convey an image, an attitude to music. One person likes a more little more emphasis on vocals in his soul (krayzie). The other likes a lttle more rhythm in his (vainandy). If you started naming acts they like I'm sure krayzie's and vainandy's lists would look nearly identical. For some reason, krayzie is taking vainandy's comment to some extreme which he has never professed. THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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LittleBLUECorvette said: Here is the reason why current R&B or whatever you wanna call it (urban music) sucks these days ...
CHURCH None of these current singers were bought up in a good ol' fashioned church. That's the reason most of these cats can't really blow live and are just mainly studio singers (need equipment and studio effect to sound good). Take a look at past R&B / Soul great, they were bought up in the church. Sam Cooke, James Brown, Otis Redding, Michael Jackson, Aretha Franklin, Al Green, Ray Charles, Patti LaBelle, ect, ect came from the church. Heck, most of the people I named started out as Gospel singers. I guarantee you is Omarion, Trey Songz, Ashanti, Chris Brown and all these cats went to a down home southern church, they'd be able to blow with the best of them. [Edited 10/27/07 15:12pm] Hi blue, it´s not just the church It´s also about the personality and the music chris brown , trey songz , omarion or rihanna , are all the same . same shit.. moves, clothes and sound!!!!! remember in the old dayz - al b.sure with his sound , guy - the new jacks sound bell biv devoe with posion and JOHNNY GILL - MY, MY ,M Y ALL with differents sound and clothes... Now all this cats have same freakin sound.... i miss the R&B from 1987 - 1997 peeace | |
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Najee said: SoulAlive said: I don't know why you guys keep bringing up Vanity.She had like what...2 hits?!
She didn't really make much of any impact as a recording artist.I agree. Krayzie is acting like Vanity 6 marked the end of soul music with "Nasty Girl" when there have been plenty of acts before and after them who had a hit song (much less a prolonged career) with mediocre singing skills but an ability to convey an image, an attitude to music. One person likes a more little more emphasis on vocals in his soul (krayzie). The other likes a lttle more rhythm in his (vainandy). If you started naming acts they like I'm sure krayzie's and vainandy's lists would look nearly identical. For some reason, krayzie is taking vainandy's comment to some extreme which he has never professed. Exactly.I also don't know why Krayzie keeps mentioning Madonna.She's never been an R&B artist at all
The reasons why R&B music is so crappy right now has very little to do with either of those ladies.Blame the merging of shit hop with R&B...the increased use of samples by lazy "producers" who don't even play real instruments...and the horrible songwriting of folks like R.Kelly. | |
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vainandy said: I'm not the one that keeps bringing her up. Go back and read some of those posts. He keeps throwing her name around like she was a major influential figure like Elvis or something.
Najee told him like it is. He despises the fact that I made a statement in another thread months ago that I would take a singer like Vanity who couldn't sing but had some funk behind her over some boring ass like Shitney Houston that can sing but sings over boring ass music. He's had that hair up his ass about Vanity ever since. Moreover, krayzie is acting like it's a black-and-white, all-or-nothing situation. When comparing songs from different artists, a lot of factors come into play (the composition quality, taste, preference, current mood, setting, etc.). Whitney Houston can sing rings all around Vanity 6, but depending on which song that's matched up with "Nasty Girl" I'm not likely to choose to hear one of Houston songs. * "Nasty Girl" vs. "Didn't We Almost Have it All" -- give me "Nasty Girl" * "Nasty Girl" vs. "So Emotional" -- definitely "Nasty Girl" * "Nasty Girl" vs. "You Give Good Love" -- it will depend on my mood at the time * "Nasty Girl" vs. "Saving All My Love for You" -- I'm likely to lean toward Whitney With some other artists, it's not going to be a contest which one I would choose, depending on the song. * Most 3+3 era Isley Brothers songs over "Nasty Girl" any day. * Most Luther Vandross '80s songs will trump "Nasty Girl." * Maze featuring Frankie Beverly's "Joy and Pain" is a superior composition. Krayzie, if everything is so black-and-white universal where you have a disdain for concept-type acts who rely on (paraphrasing vainandy) "hard funk behind them" who really didn't emphasize singing all up and down the vocal scales then what is your opinion of Parliament Funkadelic? Wouldn't P-Funk fit more in your hard-and-fast rule of the Vanity 6 camp? [Edited 11/13/07 20:46pm] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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SoulAlive said: Exactly.I also don't know why Krayzie keeps mentioning Madonna.She's never been an R&B artist at all
The reasons why R&B music is so crappy right now has very little to do with either of those ladies.Blame the merging of shit hop with R&B...the increased use of samples by lazy "producers" who don't even play real instruments...and the horrible songwriting of folks like R.Kelly. Exactly, the current state of soul music started its decline way after Vanity 6 ran its course. The things you mentioned are the reasons why the genre has hit a dead end. THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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Najee said: SoulAlive said: Exactly.I also don't know why Krayzie keeps mentioning Madonna.She's never been an R&B artist at all
The reasons why R&B music is so crappy right now has very little to do with either of those ladies.Blame the merging of shit hop with R&B...the increased use of samples by lazy "producers" who don't even play real instruments...and the horrible songwriting of folks like R.Kelly. Exactly, the current state of soul music started its decline way after Vanity 6 ran its course. The things you mentioned are the reasons why the genre has hit a dead end. Precisely
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Andy is a four letter word. | |
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SoulAlive said:
Exactly.I also don't know why Krayzie keeps mentioning Madonna.She's never been an R&B artist at all What the hell kind of Madonna fan are you that you don't remember what a huge R&B star she was? You don't remember her being all over R&B radio every time you turned it on? She guest starred on "Soul Train" so many times they considered making her Don's co-host. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Najee said:
* Most 3+3 era Isley Brothers songs over "Nasty Girl" any day. I would take any of The Isley Brothers fast songs over "Nasty Girl" any day. When it came to funk, those guys could absolutely tear it up and they were harder than hell. I wouldn't take any of their slow songs over "Nasty Girl" because uptempo jams are going to win with me every time no matter how good the slow jams are (and those guys had some of the best). However, I would take any of their slow jams over anything by Shitney, including her fast stuff, any day. Hell, I'd take a recording of The Isley Brothers farting over anything of her's. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: The reason it sucks is because there are no real drums and bass, it sounds like shit hop, and it never gets past midtempo.
JUST LIKE IN THE 90'S WHEN EVERY (OR DAMN NEAR EVERY) R&B ARTIST "DUMBED DOWN" TO NEW JACK SWING!!!!! EVEN SOME OF OUR ESTABLISHED LEGENDS.....THAT TO ME IS WHY MUSIC IN THE 90'S SUCKED!!!!! AND YES VAIN- YOU'RE RIGHT!!!! AND IF THERE ARE ANY REAL DRUMS, THEY'RE "PREMATURELY EJACULATING" ALL OVER THE GODDAMNED SONG!!!! NOBODY HAS ANY "POCKET" ANYMORE!!!!!  | |
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