fcukthepolice said:

i was with you until you brought up Beyonce. She has nothing to do with alicia.

midnightmover said:

i think this was the least cliche song that she's done. i mean she is a mainstream artist. it has to appealing in some way.

dragondayz said:

o,k; i was just saying there is females alot better imo

i just was thinking of Beyonce becuase i have listened to her lately and i am very impressed.

I do not by hardly any music by females but i like the latest beyoce album; the vocals are amazing.

fcukthepolice said:

beyonce can sing, but she's not as good of a singer as I once thought she was. I went to her recent concert and she left way too much to be desired vocally. That wasn't good considering she's supposedly one of this generations best vocalists.

For people who aint in the know...
Purple Rain has been rippppped many times...
I just finished ripping it off (yet my versions sounds a helluva lot better than hers)
But i essentially stole my version from a Ryan Adams Song called "Hotel Chelsea Nights" that also ripped purpled rain
Which sounds infinitely better than Alicia's...
http://www.youtube.com/wa...OuDREgOOKw
So it doesn't sound crappy because she ripped off the song...
It sounds crappy because she did a crappy version...
and made it unoriginal

Oh and that song writing is horrible...
What happened i thought she could write...

dragondayz said:

Anyone can sound bad

mariah and christiana get so much praise but often sound horrible. They do not know how to use their voice properly.

Listen to the B day album; amazing vocals

fcukthepolice said:

the burden with female singers is that they believe that they have to over sing alot...
They think they have to belt the track like pattie labelle
and they strain their voice that way...
This usually comes from singers who haven't been trained well to sing live etc...
Country female vocalist are the best around... cause they don't over sing...
they're very dynamic and know when singing in a loud number one ratio is needed

fcukthepolice said:

She didn't sound bad at all. She just didn't move me with her voice in any way. I don't have a problem with people not sounding perfect. I just need a voice that can move me to tears, joy or whatever.

EmbattledWarrior said:

That's true. Alicia kills so many songs with the oversinging. She has a beautiful voice if used right, but she tries to reach people by hollering when it's not in her range.

I admit EmbattledWarrior¤ the song you posted was really nice.

Giovanni777 said:

Her voice has come off much stronger before... on live award shows, on the song "Unbreakable", etc... She now sounds weak.

dragondayz said:

Theres a difference between doing a tribute track and ripping something off...
You (check an instrumental of mines on my myspace, Cry Of Love,vocals coming soon, shameless self promotion )
All us musicians get inspired by stuff we hear
The key is recreating it the way you envision it,
especially a song like Purple Rain, that almost everyone knows and is sacred in the hearts of million people

it'll probably be a hit anyway
so whatever

JackieBlue said:

It's a direct ripoff of Eddie Kendrick's "Intimate Friends", which is classic Eddie. The thing I don't get is why she doesn't just cover the damn song. The original song is a much slower tempo, from what I remember.

Giovanni777 said:

Yes, thank you, someone just informed me earlier today! I listened to a bit of the original Kendricks tune and the arrangement is the same but it is a much slower tempo. With Alicia, I'm sorta indifferent. I've been impressed with how she carries herself in this culture and with her philanthropic work moreso than as a musical artist. I had hopes for her but oh well.
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dragondayz said:

She definitely sings better than Keys though.

The vocals are terrible on this song and she is straining out of tune on "No One". As a musician, she should have a better ear for notes than anybody which makes it so sad.
[Edited 10/26/07 9:07am]

dragondayz said:

I'm talking about the lyrics specifically. They are just a string of cliches. It doesn't have anything to do with being mainstream either. "When Doves Cry" was mainstream. Bad writing is just bad writing. No-one chooses to write badly.
I only listened to a bit of the song, but the link you posted had the words flashing on the screen so it was hard not to notice how amateurish they were. But sure, the other elements were nice.

Scorpion said:

I think they are both good in their own right and are too different to compare. What Beyonce lacks, Alicia has, and what Alicia lacks, Beyonce has. I just knew that Beyonce was going to blow Alicia out the water during their tour, but people that went said Alicia held her own.

I'd give Beyonce the edge over Alicia vocally, but not by much. She just needs a little more power and depth to her voice.

dragondayz said:

I personally think cat shit is much better than dog shit. Dog shit is more pungent, but cat shit has a nicer texture.

Giovanni777 said:

yeah but she does overdo it

EmbattledWarrior said:

yes exactly

midnightmover said:

True as rain man
Bad writing will always be bad writing mainstream or not...
Bsb and Nsync were extremely mainstream in their hayday
... but you read those lyrics... they're flawless
And you'd think that they'd be filled with cliches but they're not! lol

when i listen to a song im only listening to the melody and music so maybe that's why i never understood the complaint with her lyrics,

there are some lyrics that bother me in songs but the words just have to jjump out at me as being misplaced for me to be bothered by it. nothing in her songs ever jump at me as being wrong,

dragondayz said:

you will never get back the time spent listening to her shit music


Try listening to some good music

Giovanni777 said:

Giovanni777 said:

THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! This is why I love coming to this website...musical intelligence like this! I was appauled at her use of one my favorite Eddie songs. Most of her fans are musically ignorant people (not stupid, so don't get bent out of shape). They think she is some kind of genius. Not only do her fans thinks she's a genius SHE THINKS SHE IS A BRILLIANT ARTIST as she has said in a couple of interviews. She LITERALLY steals cords and partial arrangements, puts 5th grade lyrics over them then tries to pass them off as "INFLUENCES". She did it to James Brown, Curtis Mayfield, Aretha Franklin, Eddie Kendricks and god knows who else. Now it's Prince and she said recently that there were some "Police" influences on this current album!!!??? You have to think to yourself...If this girl is sooooo gifted, why does she have to go to everyone else's back log of music to try to come up with a record? Real artist have their OWN point of view even if they get inspired by things around them. Is she crediting these people in her liner notes?? I'm surprised she hasn't been sued yet...unless old gangster Clive Davis is paying them off.

The only REAL cool musical person of the current crop of 20-somethings, who is a true original and I take seriously is John Mayer. That dude writes and plays his ass off. I wish Lauryn Hill would get her head out of her ass, stop acting self righteous, and start making music again...I still dig that album and that cd is almost 10 years old!

Well I didn't know Unbreakable was from Eddie but I did know that it was sampled because I remember Sweet Sable song. I pretty much catch onto the majority of her samples and taken melodies.

I for the life of me don't really understand the sampling at this point, but I'm just guessing it's done because a). She's always been a hip hop fan and the majority of her playing was probably by ear growing up b). Her partner she works with was a hip hop producer and rapper, so I don't think they've shaken the whole hip hop sampling thing from Alicia's music.

I don't think Alicia's genius at all. That was marketing. I just really want to believe that she has a little more talent than what's shown. I've heard from people that heard her before Clive that she was good and showed a lot of potential before entering J-records. That person was disappointed in the SIAM album because of that.

MistyCotton said:

10 years old? Good music is timeless; it could be a thousand years old. I just bought the Zeppelin 2 lp along with dozens of other 60's 70's vinyl.

dragondayz said:

did we go to the same concert? cause she was vocally in tact and has a kick ass voice. This is coming from someone who's been unimpressed with the lack of talent these days

is this really such a surprise? not only is she a huge fan but it has become a trend to sound like Prince these days especially with the drums, everybody from Justin Tim to P Diddy.