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The Soul-Jazz-Funk that Fuels Hip Hop ...
Just me with another tribute to the those grooves and the groovemeisters... The Mizell Brothers 
Charles Stepney  
Weldon Irvine 
and airbody else in that soul/jazz funked it up, 
Written off by Jazz Purists from the late 60's through the early 80's, This Music was wrought by the likes of the Mizell Brothers( Larry and Fonce), working with artists like Donald Byrd, Bobbi Humphrey, and Gary Bartz.. also music Maestro Charles Stepney and his work with Minnie Riperton, Rotary Connection, Tery Callier , Ramsey Lewis and of course, Earth Wind and Fire. Roy Ayers ruled the college airwaves, as well as The Crusaders, Ronnie Laws, and Emuir Deodato... Keyboardists like Herbie Hancock, George Duke, Dexter Wansel, Patrice Rushen, Lonnie Liston Smith, and Bob James were exploring the crosscurrents as well, up to Weldon Irvine and his Jamaica Queens, NYC disciples like Don Blackman, Bernard Wright, Tom Browne, and Lenny White. But between jazz purists' disdain, the conservative neo-Bop movement of the 80's, and the disco backlash of the same period, (not to mention the rise of the more vapid Smooth Jazz trends), alot of this music started to get left in the cut out bins. Other than die-hard fans and collectors, the music was largely forgotten--- The general public sure wasn't looking for it. But overtime, DJs and beatmakers started panning for gold, and found it in these electric grooves. Today you hear either the samples themselves or their direct influence thriving in production by the likes of Dilla, Common, Qtip and Tribe, Bilal, Kanye, 4 Hero, Pharoaoh Munche,, Pharrell, Dwele, Little Brother, Questlove, etc.....                                                                
  
... [Edited 10/15/07 16:42pm] " I've got six things on my mind --you're no longer one of them." - Paddy McAloon, Prefab Sprout | |
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Don't forget this one as well.
 [Edited 10/3/07 15:03pm] Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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namepeace said: Don't forget this one as well.
[Edited 10/3/07 15:03pm]  Oh, Lawd, Yeah!!! That group was another Roy Ayers production--and anybody who's heard Tribe's "Bonita Applebum" has heard a combination of this and that first Rotary Connection album....
... [Edited 10/3/07 15:17pm] " I've got six things on my mind --you're no longer one of them." - Paddy McAloon, Prefab Sprout | |
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I personally agree with you on all of your choices but I think you are giving the "average" hip hop producer too much credit.. A more realistic source for beats/samples for "the average" dudes would be compilations like Ultimate breaks and beats vols 1-25 
or the Dusty fingers comps.
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prettymansson said:
I personally agree with you on all of your choices but I think you are giving the "average" hip hop producer too much credit.. A more realistic source for beats/samples for "the average" dudes would be compilations like Ultimate breaks and beats vols 1-25
or the Dusty fingers comps.
True, I should have limited it to just the Dj's and beatmakers like those guys I mmentioned....for the average so-called "producers", it's probably easier to just grab beat compilations like those.... Nice pick with 24-Karat Black, by the way.... ... [Edited 10/4/07 7:57am] " I've got six things on my mind --you're no longer one of them." - Paddy McAloon, Prefab Sprout | |
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prettymansson said: I personally agree with you on all of your choices but I think you are giving the "average" hip hop producer too much credit.
I agree with that. Setting aside cats like PB Wolf, Madlib, MF Doom, Prince Paul, Primo, the late J Dilla, and Ghostface's Theodore Unit, many of the rap cats out there today sample samples. Now, I bet Soul, Jazz and Funk does more to fuel chillout/ambient/electronica/dance/wtc. than hip-hop. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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I would like to find all the break beat lp's.
HEY THAT ramp is tight. I wonder how many lp's there were. they did a nice version of their own for everybody loves the sunshine. nipsy | |
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namepeace said: prettymansson said: I personally agree with you on all of your choices but I think you are giving the "average" hip hop producer too much credit.
I agree with that. Setting aside cats like PB Wolf, Madlib, MF Doom, Prince Paul, Primo, the late J Dilla, and Ghostface's Theodore Unit, many of the rap cats out there today sample samples. Now, I bet Soul, Jazz and Funk does more to fuel chillout/ambient/electronica/dance/wtc. than hip-hop. Probably, although I wasn't thinking of Rap per se--it's primarily the DJ culture that's creating the serious demand for alot of this...but I get your point, in Electronica (Downtempo, Broken Beat, Chill, whatever else), guys like Spacek, Marc Mac and Dego(4 Hero), Masters At Work, Hefner(Lee Jones), Kirk Digiorgio, Ian O'Brien, etc...they're all disciples.... ... " I've got six things on my mind --you're no longer one of them." - Paddy McAloon, Prefab Sprout | |
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This thread is HEAVY!
i'll need to investigate some of this stuff. THX, PALI! | |
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 When I say I like "jazz", I actually mean this specific strain. | |
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paligap said: Marc Mac
oh schitt! I just heard the whole Visioneers album recently:
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wow, cool thread, man i could get lost in this stuff | |
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Damn, I could live to be as old as Methusela and I wouldn't have enough time to listen to all those records. Thanks palligap, its always good to give credit where it's due. Jeux Sans Frontiers | |
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Well, one thing this thread reminds me. . .
how much DA BOMB album covers used to be!!!  | |
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Hey paligap,
Would you please send me an org note? I've been trying to private message you but something's wrong with my profile and it won't let me stay logged in sio I can send to you. maybe if you write me I can hit reply and make it work. Thanks, dakutiusmaximus | |
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 thread Paligap.
I never thought i would say this, but i wish the rappers would go back to sampling. I know it's stealing others work. If done with taste an creativity, like the Bomb Squad (Chuck D), Hank Shocklee, Keith Shocklee and Eric "Vietnam" Sadler and Gary G-Wiz) use to do. I need to get this Deodato CD. 
And this Donald Byrd CD  [Edited 10/4/07 18:33pm]   National Funk League✮✮ | |
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paligap said: prettymansson said:
I personally agree with you on all of your choices but I think you are giving the "average" hip hop producer too much credit.. A more realistic source for beats/samples for "the average" dudes would be compilations like Ultimate breaks and beats vols 1-25
or the Dusty fingers comps.
True, I should have limited it to just the Dj's and beatmakers like those guys I mmentioned....for the average so-called "producers", it's probably easier to just grab beat compilations like those.... Nice pick with 24-Karat Black, by the way.... ... [Edited 10/4/07 7:57am] Right on !..Great thread by the way ! I have all this stuff on Vinyl ! | |
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prettymansson said:
I once crashed my car listening to this! | |
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DakutiusMaximus said: Hey paligap,
Would you please send me an org note? I've been trying to private message you but something's wrong with my profile and it won't let me stay logged in sio I can send to you. maybe if you write me I can hit reply and make it work. Thanks, dakutiusmaximus Gotcha, I'm sending now..... " I've got six things on my mind --you're no longer one of them." - Paddy McAloon, Prefab Sprout | |
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Cinnie said: paligap said: Marc Mac
oh schitt! I just heard the whole Visioneers album recently:
Yeah, My brother hipped me to that one!!!
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paligap said: Cinnie said: oh schitt! I just heard the whole Visioneers album recently:
Yeah, My brother hipped me to that one!!!
... "whooose werld iz thees"  | |
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This thread reads like a love note to me. 
This is truly the best music on planet Earth. | |
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Cinnie said: This thread reads like a love note to me.
This is truly the best music on planet Earth. AGREED!
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StarMon said: thread Paligap.
I never thought i would say this, but i wish the rappers would go back to sampling. I know it's stealing others work. If done with taste an creativity, like the Bomb Squad (Chuck D), Hank Shocklee, Keith Shocklee and Eric "Vietnam" Sadler and Gary G-Wiz) use to do. I need to get this Deodato CD.
And this Donald Byrd CD
[Edited 10/4/07 18:33pm] Yeah, I must admit, The Bomb squad and Johnny Juice Rosado used to make it an art!!! I gotta grab both of hose CD's bythe way --I don't have those yet! ... " I've got six things on my mind --you're no longer one of them." - Paddy McAloon, Prefab Sprout | |
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Cinnie said: This thread reads like a love note to me.
This is truly the best music on planet Earth. 
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paligap said: ...
Just me with another tribute to the those grooves and the groovemeisters... Another very well done post Gap-Man.
A few other 70s era Soul/Jazz/Funk groovemeister albums that may qualify...    
   
   
   
   
...the majority leaning more towards Soul/Jazz & Jazz/Funk, but grooves of that era the hipper DJs would've still picked up on. A couple of these were released in '69, but the date don't stop the flavor.
tA  Tribal Disorder
http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431 "Ya see, we're not interested in what you know...but what you are willing to learn. C'mon y'all." | |
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theAudience said: A few other 70s era Soul/Jazz/Funk groovemeister albums that may qualify...
...the majority leaning more towards Soul/Jazz & Jazz/Funk, but grooves of that era the hipper DJs would've still picked up on. A couple of these were released in '69, but the date don't stop the flavor.
Yes Lawd!!!!!
Btw, I've been rebuilding my Azymuth collection on CD (Thanks again!!!!) I gotta get a newer copy of Stanley Turrentine's album, Salt Song, too! ... [Edited 10/15/07 16:00pm] " I've got six things on my mind --you're no longer one of them." - Paddy McAloon, Prefab Sprout | |
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paligap said: Yeah, I must admit, The Bomb squad and Johnny Juice Rosado used to make it an art!!! ... The "Juice" brought me a few presents while I was in NYC.
(get ready for the hook-up )
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theAudience said: paligap said: Yeah, I must admit, The Bomb squad and Johnny Juice Rosado used to make it an art!!! ... The "Juice" brought me a few presents while I was in NYC.
(get ready for the hook-up )
 ..... !!!!!
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Here's another album that was sampled heavily:
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