ButterscotchPimp said:

awww thanks for being a man in 2007.... but thereis NOTHING personal you can say about me.. because NO one knows me.. or what I know... and its hard to make assumptions about me. because IM a complicated person... UNIQUE..

a lot of people are similar and they are easy to make accurate assumptions... but unique and peculiar people are the most difficult...

when anyone of this board tried to get personal about me, make assumptions they were 1000% wrong...

midnightmover said:

LOL an "ass whooping"?

wow. nothing more cool than an "cyber ass whooping". but let's see if that actually happens.




um yeah, you did assume that i hadn't been here that long.
let's see if you can do that "reading thing" that you were quick to point out a minute ago. PLEASE find the part where i specifically assumed you were a "Janet fan". I railed on the absurdity of this thread, and pointed out that participants that based their dislike of JT on either the JJ beef (like our little Alisa) or on the Prince beef shouldn't do that. I further pointed out that threads in here that were somehow basing their view of JT's "plainness" to his name were stupid. I'm STILL saying that.



yawn. here we go again. in YOUR opinion, "Justin" is a "goofy name". and that somehow has something to do with your opinion of him. it's a "emblem". his name is somehow a "symbol" (yeah i said it) of his personality/showmanship/artistic merit. and i think this will be the third time i've mentioned this. you sure as hell don't seem to be running in here telling us what YOUR name is. hmmm.





ah. so your idea of "ass whooping" is spell checking my thread. ouch. you're right. that hurt. okay, i'm being a little sarcastic but you asked for it.

again, Justin's not an artist in YOUR opinion. you don't need to worry about me getting "conned", as my eyes are wide open. he's a former boy-bander who's broken free of that image and has carved out a nice little niche for himself. is he a "trendsetter"? hardly. few artists are or have to be. he makes pretty good music that myself and apparently a few other people seem to enjoy, plain and simple.

disagreeing with that is perfectly fine. when people start bringing in non-factors into the argument (looks, name, etc) it really just shows shallowness, stupidness, and in my mind immaturity. but that's just my opinion.

ButterscotchPimp said:

I hate to do this to you son, but here's what I actually said "If you've been on this website for more than a month you should know I have no time for Janet at all". What I'm actually saying is that you have no excuse for thinking I'm a Janet fan unless you're a newcomer, which I assumed you were not. Nowhere in that sentence do I say that you are a newcomer. I'd say a little work on your reading skills might be in order.



In your every exchange with me up until the last one you called JT's critics retarded and said they were "defending Janet's honour". Since you were talking to me at the time then it's natural to assume you were including me with them. If you weren't then it just proves how poor your communication skils are. Try and understand in future that you are talking to an individual here. Is it any wonder this discussion is going round in circles when you are talking about other people's motivations instead of actually responding to what I'm saying?


The plainness of his name merely came up in the course of the thread as just another example of how goofy he is. It does not form the basis of anyone's view of him. There was also a tone of humour to it that you totally missed, presumably because it's easier to counter someone's argument if you deliberately misrepresent it first.



Congratulations! You finally worked it out. I knew you'd get there eventually. There's hope for you yet.


Oh boy. One step forward, two steps back. His looks have not been brought into it. The whole thread was about that in the first place. There have been numerous other threads discussing his music. This was never going to be one of them. I've never mentioned his looks before because to my mind they are the least of his sins. Perhaps the reason they are up for discussion though is because Justin is an image-based artist, being sold largely on the pretense that he is "cool". Therefore the fact that he is in fact a dork does have some relevance. The fact that you can't see that shows that you are deluded as to the type of "artist" Justin really is. Justin is the male equivalent of a pop tart. Like I said before, I'm sorry if you got conned into thinking otherwise.

midnightmover said:

You know, i try to hold up my end of what's supposed to be an intelligent conversation in here (which was probably my first mistake, i admit) and this is what i get. I guess the old saying "you get what you pay for" applies here. Ah well.




Again, and i don't see the point in why you keep wanting to re-hash this, by saying "if you've been on this website for more than a month" then you're inferring that i haven't been. Which all i did was point out that i have been. I further stated that not only have I been here for years, but i OBVIOUSLY do not participate in 98% of the topics that get posted in here otherwise because i find them about as ridiculous as i find this one. I'm not running for "Orger Of The Year". I honestly don't care that much. Tomato, tomato i guess. (oops that only works when i say that out loud. ah well.)



Two steps back? that's assuming YOU'VE made a step forward!!!! BUT in the process of our little discourse i've figured out what your problem is. You keep assuming that i'm talking about YOU specifically. I'm not. If you read my statements i never single you out, i talk about this thread as a whole. EXCEPT for the part where i pointed out where you've contributed to the insanity of this thread.

You keep saying that you're "not mentioning his looks or his name" but then you go RIGHT BACK TO DOING IT. Justin is an "image-based artist"? DUH? What artist ISN'T??? If your picture is on the cover of your cd, then you're an "image based artist". "Being sold largely on the pretense that's he's cool." I'm "deluded" blah blah blah. I couldn't read anymore of your drivel. Again, son. You're really barking up the wrong tree. I'm currently employed by a major record company. Been working in the music business for the better part of 20 years now. I've probably forgotten more about the music industry than you'll ever know. You're great with the opinions, but short on the facts. I'd love to see one marketing plan, advertisement, etc that says "Buy Justin Timberlake! He's COOL!" This is where you're starting to sound like the snobby kool-aid drinking kid that has this definition of an artist that has to somehow compare to Prince's resume.

You want to call him a "pop-tart". (nice putdown by the way. i'd have never come up with something that clever.) Fine. He's a "dork". In your opinion. And for the what, fifth time, what's YOUR name again?

I'm not saying he's a great musician, an amazing singer, a groundbreaking dancer, etc. I said I enjoyed his 2 albums (i did) and that i liked them MUCH more than a majority of Prince's recent work (i said it again). I also like his live performances. Period.

Coming from a completely non-biased music lover....let me just say this...

Timberlake's music blows donkey dick, because he is trying WAY too hard and still ends up looking like a clown. He can't hang with the big boys, that's for damn sure.

Militant said:

My only suggestion would be, if you come in here and really want to clown on someone's ELSE's music, that you don't provide a link to some crap in your signature that makes me throw up in my mouth a little bit.


Really.


Something to think about.
[Edited 10/28/07 15:27pm]

Ah.
This has been fun, but i'm off to the bar to get my flirt on.

If i'm capable of typing later, maybe i'll come back and have some more fun.

Otherwise, you all discuss amongst yourselves.

Militant said:

sooo sooo sooo true
[Edited 10/28/07 17:20pm]

ButterscotchPimp said:

are you saying that a janet fan cant not like justin because we think he sucks? i didnt like him when he had his first album, i didnt like him when janet brought him onstage with her at the superbowl, i didnt like him after it happened and i still dont like him now. also i must have missed when janet tried to blame justin for nipplegate,she never even spoke about it aside from the taped apology and her oprah appearence in 2006. she still didnt blame him all she said was they were friends and he threw her under the bus..which he did.nobody said he had to stand there and defend her but when he laughed and joked about it and basically acted like it was a good thing at first, but as soon as he realized how big it blew up this cat stood there in tears crying about how he had no idea what was goin on, and he was so upset that janet deceived him by exposing her evil black titty..well a bitch is a bitch

ButterscotchPimp said:

LOL at the emo wank in your sig.

I'm sure I was thinking about how I was making you throw up last week when I signed my new deal with Virgin/EMI

The fuck outta here, kiddo

lowkey said:

(yawns)

ugh. i drank too much last night.

(wonders if there's anything new going on with this crap)

(looks around)

nope.

look, i'm not losing sleep if you don't like JT. for the millionth time, if you don't like his music that's fine. you're entitled. i'm saying if you're basing your dislike of JT NOT on his music, but because of some perceived beef with JJ or Prince, you're a moron. period.

JJ's people had more than one press release that came out before the Super Bowl was even over which said it was a wardrobe malfunction and that JT was supposed to pull the flap and revealed a bra. which A) places the blame SQUARELY on JT and B) was a GIGANTIC LIE. so it was JJ that threw JT under the bus, and not the other way around. JT did the SMART thing (obviously) and just steered clear of the whole mess.

Militant said:

uh huh. i won't hold my breath looking for that crap in our new release books anytime soon there, son.

ButterscotchPimp said:

how da hell is that throwing him under the bus? if they decided to declare the whole thing an accident then of course they had to explain what was really suppose to happen, she never said 'that damn justin ripped my bra off', she said he was suppose to pull it but too much came off...if they were lying or not that was the story they came up with. as far as not liking him, like i said i never liked him he always came off as a wannabe who tried to hard to be something he's not. justin is not some white chocolate dude who crew up in the hiphop culture, he is a former micky mouse club. ex-member of a lily white boy band who hooked up with black producers who were looking to capitolize off a big pop market.

ButterscotchPimp said:

Dude. Have you ever heard the phrase "When you're in a whole, stop digging"? Yeah well, I suggest you throw away that bucket and spade because you're only making yourself look like even more of a plonker. Read the sentence carefully "If you've been on this website for more than a month you should know I have no time for Janet at all". The assumption being made here is that you have been on this website for more than a month, and as such you have no excuse for lumping me in with the half-wits that make up Janet's fanbase. Is that making sense now or do you want a tutorial?


No. I said that YOU had made one step forward, two steps back, not me. I've been way out ahead from the start son, while you're still breaking a sweat trying to catch up.


It was me you were replying to and you said the comments about his name (comments made by me) were retarded from your very first post. You made no differentiation in your post between me and anyone else. If you can't see how that could cause confusion then I sugest you get some more practise in.


Yeah well, every record company needs their toilets cleaned, and I guess someone's got to do it.


You claim to have worked for a major label for 20 years and you're coming out with naive first grade shit like that? Dude, there was no advert that said "Buy 50 Cent, he got shot!" either, but you don't have to be Einstein to figure out his notoriety was a big part of his appeal. Similarly, if you can't see how working with Pharell was an act designed to buy some cool, then you obviously know NOTHING about the music industry.


You're doing it again. Just like you lumped me in with the Janet brigade (then tried to back out of it), here you are likening me to some Prince fanatic. Once again you're making assumptions based on your own imagination. Or let me guess. You were talking to someone else, right?
[Edited 10/29/07 12:07pm]

midnightmover said:

Everyone needs their bathrooms cleaned

vainandy said:

Hey, don't play the 90s though...early to mid anyway.

Some stand up styles were TLC, Aaliyah, Brandy, Monica, Alicia Keys and a few others.

midnightmover said:

ButterscotchPimp said:

Um, how? It was the very beginning of 2004. Janet was in a break period in 2003. The last album she had at that point was All For You, which was extremely successful. How could her career be tanking if she was chosen to headline the Superbowl Half Time show?

I also wanted to add that I hate when people assume that I dislike Justin because I'm a Janet fan. I NEVER liked Justin to begin with. I liked NSYNC, but I wasn't particular about Justin once I hit puberty and discovered bigger, and brighter things. lol When he came out solo I didn't give a what-what. After the Superbowl it was just okay, fuck him now.




[Edited 10/29/07 14:11pm]

midnightmover said:

This is like a one-armed guy showing up to an arm wrestling contest.

If i weren't so bored, i'd stop. But ah well, i got a couple hours before my tv watching duties so.....






Well, let's see. If i were going to pull a "you" i guess i'd feel all proud of myself for pointing out that you meant to write "hole" instead of "whole", but i'm not you so i'll move along.

You really don't like to read, do ya? I don't know how many ways i can type "PLEASE POINT OUT WHERE I SPECIFICALLY LUMPED YOU IN WITH JANET FANS" and then you go right back to "blah blah blah i said if you've been on this website for more than a month blah blah blah". You're like a poor little retarted kid that keeps running into the same wall over and over again. I'm trying to move the wall out of your path, but you sure seem to like slamming your face into it anyways.

Once again for the reading impaired,
I BROADLY POINTED OUT THAT ANYONE THAT BASES THEIR DISLIKE OF JT SOLELY ON THE BASIS OF A PERCEIVED BEEF WITH JJ OR PRINCE SHOULDN'T DO THAT.

I THEN COPIED (because YOU asked me to) OUT THE COMMENTS ON THIS THREAD THAT WEREN'T BASED ON HIS MUSIC BUT ON SOME OTHER BULL (i.e. looks, his name).



My point was, (and of course by now i'm not at all shocked that you missed it) there's no marketing of JT based on the fact that "he's cool". I'm sure you think that's the case (which shows how little you know), but it's not. You don't market records like that. Marketing rap records does work a lot differently. For some reason you end up having to bring in outside factors (if you can) to help generate "street cred". So yeah, with 50 Cent it didn't hurt that he'd had a checkered past.

Working with Pharrell wasn't "designed to buy some cool". That was working with who was the most popular producers at the moment. Which with pop artists, you have to do. There's a reason why artists like JT, Britney, Nelly Furtado, Kelis, etc etc etc line up to work with the Neptunes and Timbaland. It gets you played on the radio. It's a part of the industry that i don't agree with. I hate what today's radio is. And i hate how depending on who the "hot producer" is at the time, everything on the radio sounds the same because everything being played has been produced by one or two people. But it's been like that for awhile. Before the Neptunes and Timbaland, it was Swizz Beats. The Matrix. You can go back to the days when everything was touched by Terry and Jimmy or Teddy Riley.

Now occasionally, one of these artist/producer collaborations spawns something more than a hit single (Nelly Furtado, Kelis to an extent). You look at Timberland and Aaliyah or Tim and Missy. Those were special relationships that spawned some serious music magic. Ditto with what JJ had with Jimmy and Terry. I think that's what JT has done with Timbaland.

But i digress.



Nope, i was talking to you. Look, i am making assumptions but they're based SOLELY on your posts on this topic. So if you sound like one of the kool-aid kids, that's where it's coming from. Aight?


We done now?


Oh, and the bathroom comment? Cute. Considering it took you all day to come up with it, you get a nice pat on the back.


[Edited 10/29/07 14:04pm]

ButterscotchPimp said:

Okay, clearly you don't know what went down in the wake of the Superbowl.

Janet never blamed JT. She doesn't even talk about the Superbowl, from day one. Anytime she was asked about it, she kept it vague, sort and kept it moving. Justin however, was the one who blamed Janet. Its not the other way around. Right after the performance, he told the camera-man how he "loves giving something for people to talk about". Not long after that, on Entertainment Tonight he was saying that he was 'ashamed' of what 'Janet did' and how is family had to watch that, blah so on and so forth.

Justin never gave a real apology. He played the it-was-Janet's-fault card, and that was it. Janet had apologized with a whole video! Both of them had invites to the Grammys that month, but they insisted that Janet apologize again if she wanted to attend.

It was only last year where Justin did a formal apology, and it just so happened that his new album was coming out. Than he later feels the need to dis Janet Jackson and Prince - HIS ELDERS - in a song crappy production with Nelly Furtado and Timberland, when neither of them had done anything to warrant such a mention. Especially funny because Justin is riding real hard on Prince's dick right now too.

God I can't believe how backwards you got everything here. It was JUSTIN who said it was a wardrobe malfunction. HE had blamed everything on Janet, not the other way around. You need to stop working it, putting it down, flip it and reversing it. lol
[Edited 10/29/07 14:14pm]

ButterscotchPimp said:[quote]

midnightmover said:

just give it a rest the dude's not even worth arguing with Midnighmover is just another troll.
[Edited 10/29/07 14:10pm]

floetcist said:

Hi.
Not only are you late, but you're wrong.
I'm not going to re-do this topic because there's already a 300 something post thread we've done on this topic that proves otherwise.

Now as far as the topic at hand, again if JT thinks that JJ threw him under a bus and wants to go at her in song, more power to him. It's got nothing to do with me. If he puts out music that think is crap, i won't listen to it. So far, he's put out 2 banging albums that i've enjoyed. WAY more than anything either JJ or Prince has done recently.

And ditto with Prince. Correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't it Prince that shot the first salvo in that thing? That was Prince with the "sexy never left" comment right? So AGAIN, if JT wants to respond in song more power to him. get down. has NOTHING TO DO WITH ME. i'm not so mindless as to base my opinion of a music artist based on anything OTHER than the art. if he puts out some bullshit, i won't buy it. until then, i will. but certainly not because Janet Jackson or Prince "don't like him". that's some 3rd grade crap to me.

shortstuff45220 said:

I know, i know.
I'm almost there.
Heroes will be on later.....

ButterscotchPimp said:

too bad. im sure JT's management will be calling us when they wanna figure out how to sell in a country with a billion people (India), like Linkin Park and SOAD did. Keep listening to your wack ass garbage. I've never in my life heard a weaker falsetto than Justin's. I suggest you go and listen to some Cameo songs with Wayne Cooper singing on if you wanna hear a REAL falsetto.

Militant said:

you are straight up comical. yeah, i'm SURE that JT's management needs help from YOU. i don't care if that wack shit sold quadruple chili peppers in India. and i don't care if the Rolling Stones called you for "marketing help in India". it's WACK.

and you make a LOT of assumptions there, son. personally i prefer Cameo when Charlie Singleton joined the outfit. don't try to go all "i know music" on me. you'll lose that argument every time.
[Edited 10/29/07 17:24pm]

ButterscotchPimp said:

don't talk about shit you know nothing about, son.

i'll lose every time huh? try me, kiddo.

I'm gonna go make some popcorn this thread is intense!

Militant said:

oh, good lord.
is this what this has turned into?
so, now what? we "cyber duel"?
did you just "e-slap" me with an "e-glove"?


look. if this is going to turn into some "e-argument" where there's all kinds of "threats" and "posturing" i want none of it.

it's pointless, lame and what's that saying? getting into an e-fight is like 2 retarted kids fighting? no matter who wins, you still look stupid? something like that.

you rolled into the conversation late, and wanted to throw your 2 cents in. you're entitled, i guess. then you want to drop the "i got me a record deal with the company YOU work for! ha!!!!" bomb (more like a stale firecracker).
and now you're some international recording artist with amazing taste in music. sure. gotcha.

look dude. whatever you want to tell the folks in here to make yourself seem all "important" and "cool" to the other kool-aid kids is fine with me. get down. all i'm saying is you gotta be careful, son! i'm not around that much, so there's a good thing for you. so i won't be compelled to bust ya on stuff.

but, again since i'm bored lately (it's temporary) if you want to run back in here with some crap (i know classic funk/soul more than you blah blah blah) then get up on the canvas, dust your self off, and keep trying i guess. i'll be here.