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Printablelastdecember said: midnightmover said: Give up those hopes. She has no momentum. Look at any artist who evolved to greatness and you can see the steady climb. Think Stevie, Prince or James Brown. Alicia, on the other hand, came out at one level, and if anything, has fallen off since then. The reason for this is because she never had that quality of character which unites great artists. Great artists have to have a slightly different view of the world. Alicia does not have that, as I've been saying since day one. She's too ordinary a person. What's more she's also far too pleased with herself to ever really stretch and grow. She believes she's already earned her place alongside the greats, but the real greats were never satisfied. Well, you only have to look at Alicia for a few seconds to know that she is a lot more than satisfied with herself. She's thrilled with herself and thinks the world is too. You're right, she's a poser. The problem is she doesn't know it. I personally think her 2nd album was light years above her first musically. But why are we throwing her in with Stevie,James or Prince, is she? I have never heard her say she deserves that place, maybe a reason she feels confident is there really isnt a competition for her. I mean in Prince's days and Stevie's and James there was competition left and right for all of them, and even with Rock acts like Elton John, i mean he had to do 3 albums a year early on to keep up with the competition from Billy Joel alone. But nowadays there isnt competition and maybe this is why we have over-confidence in acts, and the reason for NO COMPETITION blame the labels, they choose who to put forward and who to keep silent and hidden. This is the exact reason why I think newer artists shouldn't be compared to artists like Prince, Stevie, James Brown and etc. They really had to push limits because if they didn't they had people that definitely would. That competition sparked them, and really sparks everyone. Studiotraffic-One of the fastest ways to get payed on the net! | |
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dragondayz said: lastdecember said: I personally think her 2nd album was light years above her first musically. But why are we throwing her in with Stevie,James or Prince, is she? I have never heard her say she deserves that place, maybe a reason she feels confident is there really isnt a competition for her. I mean in Prince's days and Stevie's and James there was competition left and right for all of them, and even with Rock acts like Elton John, i mean he had to do 3 albums a year early on to keep up with the competition from Billy Joel alone. But nowadays there isnt competition and maybe this is why we have over-confidence in acts, and the reason for NO COMPETITION blame the labels, they choose who to put forward and who to keep silent and hidden. This is the exact reason why I think newer artists shouldn't be compared to artists like Prince, Stevie, James Brown and etc. They really had to push limits because if they didn't they had people that definitely would. That competition sparked them, and really sparks everyone. Seriously!! Just the other day I was telling one of my friends how our generation doesn't really have any modern superstars, just some artis who get more respect than others  If you will, so will I | |
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thekidsgirl said: dragondayz said: This is the exact reason why I think newer artists shouldn't be compared to artists like Prince, Stevie, James Brown and etc. They really had to push limits because if they didn't they had people that definitely would. That competition sparked them, and really sparks everyone. Seriously!! Just the other day I was telling one of my friends how our generation doesn't really have any modern superstars, just some artis who get more respect than others I think the dynamics of 2day's music scene won't allow 4 a true "superstar". Hype has taken over the game. Prince, Stevie, etc....earned their position. Look at Mint Condition, IMHO they should be considered superstars.....but they are barely on the map. | |
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Graycap23 said: thekidsgirl said: Seriously!! Just the other day I was telling one of my friends how our generation doesn't really have any modern superstars, just some artis who get more respect than others I think the dynamics of 2day's music scene won't allow 4 a true "superstar". Hype has taken over the game. Prince, Stevie, etc....earned their position. Look at Mint Condition, IMHO they should be considered superstars.....but they are barely on the map. I always think about how I would watch award shows when I was a kid and when certain artists like MJ, or Chaka Khan,or Stevie Wonder would come out the crowd would just roar, and the artist would have to stand there forever waiting for them to shut up. I really can't imagine that happening to any of todays artists, not even someone as famous as Beyonce If you will, so will I | |
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She needs to do an album that blends hip-hop, r&b, and classical music. That would be tizight. http://prince.org/msg/100/263154?&pg=2
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2ndRevolution said: She needs to do an album that blends hip-hop, r&b, and classical music. That would be tizight.
I honestly think that is/was her niche and sound. Yeah, she sampled this and that person on SIAM, but whenever she would throw little classical elements into the music it would seperate her. Unfortunately, she seems to be moved from that and jumped from that to rnb/soul, and now to soul/rock. Studiotraffic-One of the fastest ways to get payed on the net! | |
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lastdecember said: Why are we throwing her in with Stevie,James or Prince? I have never heard her say she deserves that place, maybe a reason she feels confident is there really isnt a competition for her. But nowadays there isnt competition and maybe this is why we have over-confidence in acts, and the reason for NO COMPETITION blame the labels, they choose who to put forward and who to keep silent and hidden.
Because many people are expecting her to one day reach that level. She never will for the reasons I gave earlier, but the problem with Alicia is more than that. It's that there is an overwhelming hollowness about what she does. Whether it's the nagging sense of "Where have I heard that one before?" you get from her melodies, or the cliched lyrics ("No-one can get in the way of what I feel for you", "I keep on falling in love with you" etc.) or the overwrought vocal delivery, or the self-satisfied stage performances and interviews. The whole thing just screams empty and fake. What's worse is that some people think she must be the real deal simply because she plays an instrument and keeps her clothes on. This is the phenomenon of praising people for what they're not instead of for what they are. Two orgers have already fallen into this trap on this very thread. What they don't realise is that Alicia's success is as much down to image as Beyonce's. She is a very photogenic young lady. Is anyone naive enough to think Clive Davis never noticed that when he decided to put her forward? Of course not. Therefore her success has as little to do with merit as any other mainstream artist. The fact that she played piano merely meant she had to be packaged (and I do believe that's the correct word) differently, but she represents the same obsession with eye candy as Rihanna or Ciara do. But unlike those two, Alicia was sold as the opposite of that. It's like a politician who is sold to the public as "the moral choice" when he's actually just as shady as any of his rivals. That's the reason you're seeing this hostility amongst more discerning punters. They know they're being lied to and they don't like it. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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thekidsgirl said: Graycap23 said: I think the dynamics of 2day's music scene won't allow 4 a true "superstar". Hype has taken over the game. Prince, Stevie, etc....earned their position. Look at Mint Condition, IMHO they should be considered superstars.....but they are barely on the map. I always think about how I would watch award shows when I was a kid and when certain artists like MJ, or Chaka Khan,or Stevie Wonder would come out the crowd would just roar, and the artist would have to stand there forever waiting for them to shut up. I really can't imagine that happening to any of todays artists, not even someone as famous as Beyonce Beyonce's tour is grossing like $1,000,000 per night. She might just be this generations superstar. Studiotraffic-One of the fastest ways to get payed on the net! | |
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thekidsgirl said: Who said she was great, or phenomenal? She's not a Stevie, or Prince, or Aretha... but she's a good female musician, who actually has some talent and is putting out good music
Everybody sets the bar so high these days, where you're either placed in a category with a legend like James Brown or you're cast away to the shallow end of the pool with Cassie (no offense lastdecember  )No offense taken i know what you are saying, thats exactly the truth, and like u said i never gave Cassie props for anything but her looks. But thats the issue though, the times are very different the competition isnt there like it was. We constantly get hit with the headlines on music magazines "the next big thing, or biggest band ever" from an artist that has done one cd, of course youre going to be letdown on some level, but ignore it like i said. None of these newer artists like we mentioned that get blasted here, deserve to be in the class of Stevie or Prince etc.. but they arent saying they belong there, Kanye is. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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midnightmover said: lastdecember said: Why are we throwing her in with Stevie,James or Prince? I have never heard her say she deserves that place, maybe a reason she feels confident is there really isnt a competition for her. But nowadays there isnt competition and maybe this is why we have over-confidence in acts, and the reason for NO COMPETITION blame the labels, they choose who to put forward and who to keep silent and hidden.
Because many people are expecting her to one day reach that level. She never will for the reasons I gave earlier, but the problem with Alicia is more than that. It's that there is an overwhelming hollowness about what she does. Whether it's the nagging sense of "Where have I heard that one before?" you get from her melodies, or the cliched lyrics ("No-one can get in the way of what I feel for you", "I keep on falling in love with you" etc.) or the overwrought vocal delivery, or the self-satisfied stage performances and interviews. The whole thing just screams empty and fake. What's worse is that some people think she must be the real deal simply because she plays an instrument and keeps her clothes on. This is the phenomenon of praising people for what they're not instead of for what they are. Two orgers have already fallen into this trap on this very thread. What they don't realise is that Alicia's success is as much down to image as Beyonce's. She is a very photogenic young lady. Is anyone naive enough to think Clive Davis never noticed that when he decided to put her forward? Of course not. Therefore her success has as little to do with merit as any other mainstream artist. The fact that she played piano merely meant she had to be packaged (and I do believe that's the correct word) differently, but she represents the same obsession with eye candy as Rihanna or Ciara do. But unlike those two, Alicia was sold as the opposite of that. It's like a politician who is sold to the public as "the moral choice" when he's actually just as shady as any of his rivals. That's the reason you're seeing this hostility amongst more discerning punters. They know they're being lied to and they don't like it. First of all she cant reach that level, nor can anyone else, Prince is Prince and Alicia is Alicia and John Legend is John Legend, we need to learn to seperate. Also how do we know what alicia can do or play, im sure if she starting playing guitar we would rag on her for trying. And as far as "where have i heard that before" oh lord we can say that about anyone out there today, which is why we i hear the media label anyone "the next big thing" i laugh my ass off. And as far as screaming fake we can also say that about everyone too if we wanted, i mean have we seen Prince interviews from the late 90's, watch them and think of him now and realize all the bullshit he was selling with talking about Love and crap and then dumped Mayte for another woman, i mean come on now. Stop letting artists have power of you, they are people, its their job and their business. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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midnightmover said: lastdecember said: Why are we throwing her in with Stevie,James or Prince? I have never heard her say she deserves that place, maybe a reason she feels confident is there really isnt a competition for her. But nowadays there isnt competition and maybe this is why we have over-confidence in acts, and the reason for NO COMPETITION blame the labels, they choose who to put forward and who to keep silent and hidden.
Because many people are expecting her to one day reach that level. She never will for the reasons I gave earlier, but the problem with Alicia is more than that. It's that there is an overwhelming hollowness about what she does. Whether it's the nagging sense of "Where have I heard that one before?" you get from her melodies, or the cliched lyrics ("No-one can get in the way of what I feel for you", "I keep on falling in love with you" etc.) or the overwrought vocal delivery, or the self-satisfied stage performances and interviews. The whole thing just screams empty and fake. What's worse is that some people think she must be the real deal simply because she plays an instrument and keeps her clothes on. This is the phenomenon of praising people for what they're not instead of for what they are. Two orgers have already fallen into this trap on this very thread. What they don't realise is that Alicia's success is as much down to image as Beyonce's. She is a very photogenic young lady. Is anyone naive enough to think Clive Davis never noticed that when he decided to put her forward? Of course not. Therefore her success has as little to do with merit as any other mainstream artist. The fact that she played piano merely meant she had to be packaged (and I do believe that's the correct word) differently, but she represents the same obsession with eye candy as Rihanna or Ciara do. But unlike those two, Alicia was sold as the opposite of that. It's like a politician who is sold to the public as "the moral choice" when he's actually just as shady as any of his rivals. That's the reason you're seeing this hostility amongst more discerning punters. They know they're being lied to and they don't like it. I really believe there is some truth to the part that I highlighted, but your second paragraph is flawed a little. Alicia is on a major label, so of course she has the marketing team, and publicists...that's a given. Alicia has been out before Rihanna, Ciara, and even solo Beyonce so I'm not too sure of how she's sold as the opposite of them. Alicia was on Teen Summit in 1998 with the braids and deep voice, and before then they have pictures of her signing her deal and practicing with a group she was in at 15 with the same image she deubuted with. She's had her image for a while. Studiotraffic-One of the fastest ways to get payed on the net! | |
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lastdecember said: First of all she cant reach that level, nor can anyone else, Prince is Prince and Alicia is Alicia and John Legend is John Legend, we need to learn to seperate. Also how do we know what alicia can do or play, im sure if she starting playing guitar we would rag on her for trying. And as far as "where have i heard that before" oh lord we can say that about anyone out there today, which is why we i hear the media label anyone "the next big thing" i laugh my ass off. And as far as screaming fake we can also say that about everyone too if we wanted, i mean have we seen Prince interviews from the late 90's, watch them and think of him now and realize all the bullshit he was selling with talking about Love and crap and then dumped Mayte for another woman, i mean come on now. Stop letting artists have power of you, they are people, its their job and their business. You're missing the point. Of course she can't reach that level. I already said that. The point is some people think she will. You and I agree that she won't. Where we differ is that you have limited your viewpoint to just the mainstream contemporary scene. Your argument translates as "Alicia's not great, but neither is anyone else, so what's the problem?". Well, if I allowed my standards to be dictated to by just the current Hot 100 then I would be a very poor man indeed. I do not lower my standards simply 'cos radio tells me to. Therefore when fake shit is being shoved down my throat, not only do I refuse to swallow, but I will absolutely insist on calling it the fake shit that it is. As for Prince's personal conduct, who gives a shit? Take that over to the Prince: Music and More forum. People's personal lives have no place in this discussion. I'm talking about artistic standards. I have no intention of picking over Prince's love life, thank you very much. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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dragondayz said: midnightmover said: Because many people are expecting her to one day reach that level. She never will for the reasons I gave earlier, but the problem with Alicia is more than that. It's that there is an overwhelming hollowness about what she does. Whether it's the nagging sense of "Where have I heard that one before?" you get from her melodies, or the cliched lyrics ("No-one can get in the way of what I feel for you", "I keep on falling in love with you" etc.) or the overwrought vocal delivery, or the self-satisfied stage performances and interviews. The whole thing just screams empty and fake. What's worse is that some people think she must be the real deal simply because she plays an instrument and keeps her clothes on. This is the phenomenon of praising people for what they're not instead of for what they are. Two orgers have already fallen into this trap on this very thread. What they don't realise is that Alicia's success is as much down to image as Beyonce's. She is a very photogenic young lady. Is anyone naive enough to think Clive Davis never noticed that when he decided to put her forward? Of course not. Therefore her success has as little to do with merit as any other mainstream artist. The fact that she played piano merely meant she had to be packaged (and I do believe that's the correct word) differently, but she represents the same obsession with eye candy as Rihanna or Ciara do. But unlike those two, Alicia was sold as the opposite of that. It's like a politician who is sold to the public as "the moral choice" when he's actually just as shady as any of his rivals. That's the reason you're seeing this hostility amongst more discerning punters. They know they're being lied to and they don't like it. I really believe there is some truth to the part that I highlighted, but your second paragraph is flawed a little. Alicia is on a major label, so of course she has the marketing team, and publicists...that's a given. Alicia has been out before Rihanna, Ciara, and even solo Beyonce so I'm not too sure of how she's sold as the opposite of them. Alicia was on Teen Summit in 1998 with the braids and deep voice, and before then they have pictures of her signing her deal and practicing with a group she was in at 15 with the same image she deubuted with. She's had her image for a while. Like lastdecember you're also missing the point (all of the points actually). I don't think you heard me complaining that she had a marketing team. If that were a sin then we could never support any major artist. The complaint is that she is portrayed as somehow more substantial than other artists, when she is actually just as superficial and uninspired as they are, and more boring than they are too. Her success was just as much down to her looks as any other mainstream diva. Therefore she's a product of the same mentality she's meant to be the antithesis of. I used Rihanna and Ciara as examples of pop-tarts simply because they were the first ones that came to my mind. If you want to nitpick that and miss the broader points then fine. Replace their names with Britney, Janet, J-Lo, or whoever else were the 2001 equivalents and the point still stays the same. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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midnightmover said: lastdecember said: First of all she cant reach that level, nor can anyone else, Prince is Prince and Alicia is Alicia and John Legend is John Legend, we need to learn to seperate. Also how do we know what alicia can do or play, im sure if she starting playing guitar we would rag on her for trying. And as far as "where have i heard that before" oh lord we can say that about anyone out there today, which is why we i hear the media label anyone "the next big thing" i laugh my ass off. And as far as screaming fake we can also say that about everyone too if we wanted, i mean have we seen Prince interviews from the late 90's, watch them and think of him now and realize all the bullshit he was selling with talking about Love and crap and then dumped Mayte for another woman, i mean come on now. Stop letting artists have power of you, they are people, its their job and their business. You're missing the point. Of course she can't reach that level. I already said that. The point is some people think she will. You and I agree that she won't. Where we differ is that you have limited your viewpoint to just the mainstream contemporary scene. Your argument translates as "Alicia's not great, but neither is anyone else, so what's the problem?". Well, if I allowed my standards to be dictated to by just the current Hot 100 then I would be a very poor man indeed. I do not lower my standards simply 'cos radio tells me to. Therefore when fake shit is being shoved down my throat, not only do I refuse to swallow, but I will absolutely insist on calling it the fake shit that it is. As for Prince's personal conduct, who gives a shit? Take that over to the Prince: Music and More forum. People's personal lives have no place in this discussion. I'm talking about artistic standards. I have no intention of picking over Prince's love life, thank you very much. First Prince's personal conduct corrupted his music, he jammed that "change in direction" at everyone like it was a natural progression and it wasnt, it was a fake business tactic at the time adn we all know that. As far as Hot 100 i dont even know what is on the Hot 100 or Top200 at this point nor do i care. Back in the 80's out of the top 200 ablums i owned an average of 75-80, now about 5-10. And also we shouldnt make this all about the female performer either, if Alicia is rehashing than what is Van Hunt doing? I mean at this point we can pick any singer and say they are biting off such and such, whether they are "mainstream" or not, everyone has their influence and its up to them to cultivate into themselves if you are expecting that transition in 3 albums than im sorry but you will always be let down with any artist. Do i think there are better artists out there than Alicia and others that dont get promoted, of course, but its always been like that, shit I think Harry Chapin was fucking 100 times better than Dylan or at least deserved the props he got or that Mellencamp could blow Springsteen away album by album, but hey thats how it goes sometimes. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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dont the haters think that even a song like"if i aint got you' is almost a modern r n b masterpiece-its amazing!
and much more melodic than say anything on voodoo-whooah shit have i just compared to D to alicia.....! | |
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jonylawson said: dont the haters think that even a song like"if i aint got you' is almost a modern r n b masterpiece-its amazing!
and much more melodic than say anything on voodoo-whooah shit have i just compared to D to alicia.....! Considering that it is a remake/cover song it should be good. | |
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is it a cover????? whaddya mean?? i heard alicia may have "borrowed'some inspiration but acover????  | |
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jonylawson said: is it a cover????? whaddya mean?? i heard alicia may have "borrowed'some inspiration but acover????
I'm sorry.....borrowed 95% of another song. | |
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She's a bit overrated! A bit of a producers puppet.
Guys...if u wanna a cool chick that plays mean ass piano...check these 2: Regina Spektor 
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Graycap23 said: jonylawson said: is it a cover????? whaddya mean?? i heard alicia may have "borrowed'some inspiration but acover????
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midnightmover said: dragondayz said: I really believe there is some truth to the part that I highlighted, but your second paragraph is flawed a little. Alicia is on a major label, so of course she has the marketing team, and publicists...that's a given. Alicia has been out before Rihanna, Ciara, and even solo Beyonce so I'm not too sure of how she's sold as the opposite of them. Alicia was on Teen Summit in 1998 with the braids and deep voice, and before then they have pictures of her signing her deal and practicing with a group she was in at 15 with the same image she deubuted with. She's had her image for a while. Like lastdecember you're also missing the point (all of the points actually). I don't think you heard me complaining that she had a marketing team. If that were a sin then we could never support any major artist. The complaint is that she is portrayed as somehow more substantial than other artists, when she is actually just as superficial and uninspired as they are, and more boring than they are too. Her success was just as much down to her looks as any other mainstream diva. Therefore she's a product of the same mentality she's meant to be the antithesis of. I used Rihanna and Ciara as examples of pop-tarts simply because they were the first ones that came to my mind. If you want to nitpick that and miss the broader points then fine. Replace their names with Britney, Janet, J-Lo, or whoever else were the 2001 equivalents and the point still stays the same. I get your points, but your issue to me seems to be more about marketing since your still using words like "portrayed", "image", "antithesis" and the likes. I get what your saying, but like I said, she's been out since 1998 and I've seen pics of Alicia before the record deal. The fact will always remain that she's always played the piano, and she's always had a huge hand in writing and playing her own material. What she's suppose to be in comparison to other artists was going to happen naturally anyway just because they don't play instruments. Studiotraffic-One of the fastest ways to get payed on the net! | |
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lastdecember said: First Prince's personal conduct corrupted his music, he jammed that "change in direction" at everyone like it was a natural progression and it wasnt, it was a fake business tactic at the time adn we all know that. You've moved from talking about his treatment of Mayte (irelevant because it's personal) to now talking about his "change in direction" (irelevant because it's business). It would be nice if you could actually stay focused. The comment you were originaly responding to was about Alicia being fake, in reference to her performance style and her faux artistic pretensions. Prince's personal and political bullshit is another subject all together. There was nothing fake about Prince's performance on the Superbowl this year. That was the real deal right there. There is nothing fake about a lyric like When Doves Cry. That was a real artist at work. He was genuinely in the zone. Genuinely inspired. Alicia is not genuinely anything, other than a good-looking keyboard player who can sing, but she is presented as something else. That's the point. And also we shouldnt make this all about the female performer either, if Alicia is rehashing than what is Van Hunt doing?
Another irelevant point. I've never heard Van Hunt so why would I diss him? However, I have heard John Legend, and I've slagged him off unreservedly. He's shit and I've never had any hesitation in saying so. So please don't try and make this a gender issue. It's not. It's an artistic one. everyone has their influence and its up to them to cultivate into themselves if you are expecting that transition in 3 albums than im sorry but you will always be let down with any artist.
First of all I never expected anything from Alicia, because I saw how empty she was from the start. Secondly, I think you'll find there are many artists (including Prince) who had made substantial progress by their third albums. Alicia is six years into her career and there hasn't really been any development. Some of the songs I've heard from her in recent years have been atrocious. I recall one that was just a list of famous couples. It had lines like "We could be like Bobby and Whitney", etc. It was piss-poor. If she were on an upward curve she would be releasing better stuff by now. That hasn't happened and it won't happen. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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jonylawson said: Graycap23 said: I'm sorry.....borrowed 95% of another song. what song brother? You Don't Know My Name or as it was called when in 1976: Let Me Prove My Love to You by The Main Ingredient | |
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dragondayz said: midnightmover said: Like lastdecember you're also missing the point (all of the points actually). I don't think you heard me complaining that she had a marketing team. If that were a sin then we could never support any major artist. The complaint is that she is portrayed as somehow more substantial than other artists, when she is actually just as superficial and uninspired as they are, and more boring than they are too. Her success was just as much down to her looks as any other mainstream diva. Therefore she's a product of the same mentality she's meant to be the antithesis of. I used Rihanna and Ciara as examples of pop-tarts simply because they were the first ones that came to my mind. If you want to nitpick that and miss the broader points then fine. Replace their names with Britney, Janet, J-Lo, or whoever else were the 2001 equivalents and the point still stays the same. I get your points, but your issue to me seems to be more about marketing since your still using words like "portrayed", "image", "antithesis" and the likes. I get what your saying, but like I said, she's been out since 1998 and I've seen pics of Alicia before the record deal. The fact will always remain that she's always played the piano, and she's always had a huge hand in writing and playing her own material. What she's suppose to be in comparison to other artists was going to happen naturally anyway just because they don't play instruments. I know she's always played the piano and written her own stuff, but if her own stuff is average, then so what? And it's not just about the marketing (although that's part of it). I saw one chick performing in a club last year who didn't have a record deal, but had the same self-satisfied "Look at me, I'm such an artist" demeanour as Alicia. I saw right through her too. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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jonylawson said: Graycap23 said: I'm sorry.....borrowed 95% of another song. what song brother? I don't know what song Graycap's thinking of, but the verses to that one always reminded me of a song called "I Don't Do Don't" by Linda Lewis. The verses went like..."Some people don't do parties/Some people don't do drinks" etc. Both the lyric and the melody of Alicia's tune sounded eerily similar, although the rhythm underneath is totally different. "I Don't Do Don't" is more bouncy, and has a different chorus. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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midnightmover said: dragondayz said: I get your points, but your issue to me seems to be more about marketing since your still using words like "portrayed", "image", "antithesis" and the likes. I get what your saying, but like I said, she's been out since 1998 and I've seen pics of Alicia before the record deal. The fact will always remain that she's always played the piano, and she's always had a huge hand in writing and playing her own material. What she's suppose to be in comparison to other artists was going to happen naturally anyway just because they don't play instruments. I know she's always played the piano and written her own stuff, but if her own stuff is average, then so what? And it's not just about the marketing (although that's part of it). I saw one chick performing in a club last year who didn't have a record deal, but had the same self-satisfied "Look at me, I'm such an artist" demeanour as Alicia. I saw right through her too. Watch the first minute of this. There is nothing fake about it, especially when she starts playing the other piece, hopefully it's an original piece.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...-asOuZDkNE I see what your saying though. Sometimes I think she's a little "extra" with it, especially the expressions, but then there are times when you can tell she really "feels" it and her performance is genuine. I love those times. Studiotraffic-One of the fastest ways to get payed on the net! | |
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midnightmover said: lastdecember said: First Prince's personal conduct corrupted his music, he jammed that "change in direction" at everyone like it was a natural progression and it wasnt, it was a fake business tactic at the time adn we all know that. You've moved from talking about his treatment of Mayte (irelevant because it's personal) to now talking about his "change in direction" (irelevant because it's business). It would be nice if you could actually stay focused. The comment you were originaly responding to was about Alicia being fake, in reference to her performance style and her faux artistic pretensions. Prince's personal and political bullshit is another subject all together. There was nothing fake about Prince's performance on the Superbowl this year. That was the real deal right there. There is nothing fake about a lyric like When Doves Cry. That was a real artist at work. He was genuinely in the zone. Genuinely inspired. Alicia is not genuinely anything, other than a good-looking keyboard player who can sing, but she is presented as something else. That's the point. Another irelevant point. I've never heard Van Hunt so why would I diss him? However, I have heard John Legend, and I've slagged him off unreservedly. He's shit and I've never had any hesitation in saying so. So please don't try and make this a gender issue. It's not. It's an artistic one. everyone has their influence and its up to them to cultivate into themselves if you are expecting that transition in 3 albums than im sorry but you will always be let down with any artist.
First of all I never expected anything from Alicia, because I saw how empty she was from the start. Secondly, I think you'll find there are many artists (including Prince) who had made substantial progress by their third albums. Alicia is six years into her career and there hasn't really been any development. Some of the songs I've heard from her in recent years have been atrocious. I recall one that was just a list of famous couples. It had lines like "We could be like Bobby and Whitney", etc. It was piss-poor. If she were on an upward curve she would be releasing better stuff by now. That hasn't happened and it won't happen. The point about Prince is focused, the point is he talked about a change in music being about his change in life, and he sold an album and work based on that and it was 100% fake from day one thats what im saying on his point. Prince's superbowl performance, yes a great show, though hes been much better, but still why are comparing that with Alicia, how can you compare two performers from different times and backgrounds. Just because Alicia listened to Prince as a kid and sites him as influence doesnt mean she is him, and im sure she would never say it, if she did then she would be a fool. BUT we all know there are so called performers out there who do think they are the next MJ or Prince and they do speak on it every chance they get, how come we dont knock them down to size? As far as developing after 3 albums, well it happens and it doesnt but i think its all about your surroundings and competition. Elton John between 1969-1974 had 17 albums, and they were all great, why, because he was challenged to get to that point. Artists today dont get challenged like that, whether they are in the mainstream or not, their labels frown upon an album an year turnout (which no one can do anymore except Ryan Adams). All i know is my favorite band a-Ha took longer to grow than 3 albums, if i would have judged them on those 3 albums which were between 1985-1988 than i would have dismissed them as a POP SYNTH band, but since 1990 they have done the best work of any band i have heard and they created the ground that poser bands like Coldplay and Radiohead now walk upon as if they created. If u dont like alicia than dont, but dont make it like she is making you think she is the next so and so, when she isnt. For the record no one can be the next anyone i dont care how good they are. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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dragondayz said: Hopefully.....lol. | |
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dragondayz said: midnightmover said: I know she's always played the piano and written her own stuff, but if her own stuff is average, then so what? And it's not just about the marketing (although that's part of it). I saw one chick performing in a club last year who didn't have a record deal, but had the same self-satisfied "Look at me, I'm such an artist" demeanour as Alicia. I saw right through her too. Watch the first minute of this. There is nothing fake about it, especially when she starts playing the other piece, hopefully it's an original piece.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...-asOuZDkNE I see what your saying though. Sometimes I think she's a little "extra" with it, especially the expressions, but then there are times when you can tell she really "feels" it and her performance is genuine. I love those times. What I saw there was a great looking woman playing a nice piano part with her eyes closed. But that's just mood setting. When she started to sing she came in way too loud. Like she was trying too hard to impress. That's kind of what I mean by fake. P.S. I'll finish watching the clip when I've got more time. I have to split now. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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