Axchi696 said:

Well,the market was down in 2001/2002 already! And I'm sure Madonna's budget wasn't that low either. Besides, what does the general public care about budget...I don't care how much an album costs to produce (and obviously different styles of doing the work have different price tags on the overall costs!! And if you look at it like that! Invincible had one major video and 2 worldwide singles and still sold as much as Madonna with several singles, considerably longer promotion and a major world tour...[/quote]


Yeah, you're right... as are all the doublestandards when it comes to MJ!

Timmy84 said:

Tina did the janet and Velvet Rope tours I don't think it would have been any different had she been aboard.

ehuffnsd said:

In that case, nevermind.

Timmy84 said:

I think choerographer for the RN video did the RN tour

Tina did janet and velvet rope

Gil and Shawnette did All For You

I liked the all for you tour when I went, it was much brighter with the colours and all and reminded me of the pics I'd seen of the janet tour on fansites, but it wasn't as exciting as velvet rope at all, which was the first janet tour i attended. I remember the show in toronto being sold out or close to it though. I knew so many people who went for the show, and it looked full.

PatrickS77 said:

An album that costs $30 million to make ('Invincible') needs to sell alot more than 10 million copies to make a profit.This is why Michael's recent albums are always considered flops....he spends a fortune recording these albums,and the record label (Sony) spends a fortune on promotion,resulting in massively over-hyped albums with unrealistic expectations.

Madonna's 'Confessions' was actually created with a small budget.Much of the album was recorded in producer Stuart Price's apartment (!),and the album doesn't feature a ton of expensive mainstream producers and songwriters.

mimi07 said:

No,there isn't.Madonna didn't spend 5 years and $30 million recording her 'Confessions'album.

alphastreet said:

The tour was very successful and had positive reviews, I remember it being compared favourably by critics to the "drowned world tour" in which I recall people were walking out of when I went to see her in Earls Court. It one thing to not sell out in the first place but it's another for people to pay over £70 / $140 and then walk out... However the re-invention tour seemed to have a better atmosphere and more people were enjoying it

People are trying to make out that the tour and album did not do very well, it was in fact the complete opposite. Janet has 2 legs for this tour in the states, if it didn't sell well the first time round she would not do it again. There was no reports of this tour ever flopping.

ehuffnsd said:

Actually, Marty Kudelka, Shawnette, and Gil worked on All4You. I think Marty was the "artistic director" or head choreographer at least... I don't recall exactly.

SoulAlive said:

And you know that he spent $30 million how? Do you have the receipts? Do you know how much Madonna spent on her album? If you cannot answer for certain to these questions, then you are spouting bullshit.

Rodya24 said:

Oh come on!! Beginning in the late 90s,Michael was going from studio to studio,working with EVERY popular "hot" producer and songwriter at the time,including Wyclef Jean,Lauryn Hill,Missy Elliott,Lenny Kravitz,etc.He did this for several years and in case you didn't know,those people don't work for free.Those pricey recording sessions (which,in many cases,didn't result in songs that made the album) are part of the reason why the album costs so much to make.That $30 million price tag has been mentioned for years.

"Do you know how much Madonna spent on her album?"

Considering that she mostly worked with only ONE producer on it and recorded much of it at his apartment,I think I can safely say that she didn't spend $30 million on it

SoulAlive said:

Yes, I COMPLETELY believe you.

Rodya24 said:

Okay,I guess I'm making this stuff up,right? Fine,ask Sony about how much it cost them.Ask them why they didn't fight to keep MJ on their label.


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SoulAlive said:

Knowing how shitty that relationship was, I'm not surprised they allowed Michael to leave like that. Michael's "supposedly" getting his masters from them back next year. So I was told.

By the way, back on topic, I never knew Janet didn't PERFORM at stadiums, lol.

SoulAlive said:

Again, as the public, I don't care how much it costs to create an album!

And if you use your logic then why didn't people consider HIStory a huge success, almost getting close to Thriller at the time? That thing consisted of one disc of previously available songs and one disc of newly produced songs which sold over 18 mio copies at the price of almost 2 single discs per set, so effectively making it over 36 mio copies sold! If you take that into acount then you could argue that HIStory was one of the most successful (or should I say lucrative) albums since Thriller! But nobody is doing that!

So again, I don't care how much it did cost to create Invincible... I'm no record company!


How do you know how long he actually worked on that album? Just because it was released 4 years after the HIStory tour ended, doesn't mean he really worked that long on it!

And that 30 mio $ number never got confirmed... somebody threw it around and everybody ran with it! And the fact that Sony and Michael's relationship was deteriorating at that point also shouldn't be overlooked!


It was rumoured... few people actually confirmed working with him! And the Fugees, for example, only did a remix on the BOTDF album!

But it's moot the rehash all of this! People believe what they want to believe!

mancabdriver said:

DWT was dark, and only featured 2 songs from before 94. it upset people but they still went, and that's why RIT was billed as a greatest hits show, so people would come see her and not be afaird of another DWT.
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So, I guess whenever Janet decides to really tour she should do pretty good or exceptionally well. Cause, even non-fans are wondering what's taking her so long to go on the rode. It appears as though both those that love her and dislike her will be attending her show(s). Get it, Janet!