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PrintableIsel said: midnightmover said: About 10 million people who bought her last album. That's nice--but is this a contest? I thought this thread was about Janet--not Madge. But since the convo has moved in Madge's direction, there are a few people who aren't Madge fans... believe it not. In fact, there are a few people who enjoy both Madge and Janet--believe it or not. Like I said, I don't care if the majority of the world's population prefers Madge over Janet, I'd pay to see Janet perform live over Madge. It's just MY personal preference. Just because Madge has sold a lot of records doesn't mean a damn thing to someone who is NOT one of her fans--and I'm only a casual fan--not necessarily a hater. Watching her on Bravo was enough for me, in other words. Or renting Truth or Dare is quite enough. I'm not saying she isn't talented, but I just prefer Janet over Madge, period. So I just don't understand the essence of the "debate," so to speak. I have a feeling Janet still has a few fans to warrant a tour. Now.. I really think for Janet it's more about her desire to tour because from what I've read--she doesn't really like touring all that much. So we shall see. [Edited 10/28/07 9:24am] I agree. I realize I have been an ass comparing both artists in other threads and earlier in this one as well. I can think both artist are mediocre singers and performers without becoming involved in a "diva war" as I have in the past. At the end of the day, I like both Madonna and Janet Jackson songs. There is no reason to compare them, to be honest, unless the subject of the thread is specifically entitled "Janet Jackson vs. Madonna." [Edited 10/28/07 9:49am] | |
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floetcist said: Axchi696 said:  Wouldn't be the first time she's used a lame excuse to get out of touring. Remember after 9/11 when she cancelled all of her European tours and said she didn't want to fly because of "terrorism"? And then she flew to Japan and Hawaii anyway? Weak excuse for mediocre sales, IMO.What are you talking about? All For You was a extremely successful album. What does that have to do with tours and excuses? Whatever, I think people read too deeply into such things. The AFY Tour wasn't a smashing success. Instead of blaming weak ticket sales, Janet blamed terrorism and pulled out of a European tour. I saw her on that tour twice in the USA, and neither show was anywhere near sold out. I'm the first mammal to wear pants. | |
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Axchi696 said: floetcist said: What are you talking about? All For You was a extremely successful album. What does that have to do with tours and excuses? Whatever, I think people read too deeply into such things. The AFY Tour wasn't a smashing success. Instead of blaming weak ticket sales, Janet blamed terrorism and pulled out of a European tour. I saw her on that tour twice in the USA, and neither show was anywhere near sold out. I was talking about the album. White Americans, what? Nothing better to do? Why don't you kick yourself out? You're an immigrant too. -White Stripes | |
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floetcist said: Axchi696 said: The AFY Tour wasn't a smashing success. Instead of blaming weak ticket sales, Janet blamed terrorism and pulled out of a European tour. I saw her on that tour twice in the USA, and neither show was anywhere near sold out. I was talking about the album. Well, my original point was about the tour. Don't know why you brought up the album in the first place. I'm the first mammal to wear pants. | |
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Isel said: midnightmover said: About 10 million people who bought her last album. That's nice--but is this a contest? I thought this thread was about Janet--not Madge. But since the convo has moved in Madge's direction, there are a few people who aren't Madge fans... believe it not. In fact, there are a few people who enjoy both Madge and Janet--believe it or not. Like I said, I don't care if the majority of the world's population prefers Madge over Janet, I'd pay to see Janet perform live over Madge. It's just MY personal preference. Just because Madge has sold a lot of records doesn't mean a damn thing to someone who is NOT one of her fans--and I'm only a casual fan--not necessarily a hater. Watching her on Bravo was enough for me, in other words. Or renting Truth or Dare is quite enough. I'm not saying she isn't talented, but I just prefer Janet over Madge, period. So I just don't understand the essence of the "debate," so to speak. I have a feeling Janet still has a few fans to warrant a tour. Now.. I really think for Janet it's more about her desire to tour because from what I've read--she doesn't really like touring all that much. So we shall see. [Edited 10/28/07 9:24am] lol, I don't think anyone is disputing what you're personal preference is Isel. As fascinating as that is it doesn't really have any bearing on things. I prefer The Bangles to Janet, but that doesn't change the fact that Janet is bigger. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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midnightmover said: Isel said: That's nice--but is this a contest? I thought this thread was about Janet--not Madge. But since the convo has moved in Madge's direction, there are a few people who aren't Madge fans... believe it not. In fact, there are a few people who enjoy both Madge and Janet--believe it or not. Like I said, I don't care if the majority of the world's population prefers Madge over Janet, I'd pay to see Janet perform live over Madge. It's just MY personal preference. Just because Madge has sold a lot of records doesn't mean a damn thing to someone who is NOT one of her fans--and I'm only a casual fan--not necessarily a hater. Watching her on Bravo was enough for me, in other words. Or renting Truth or Dare is quite enough. I'm not saying she isn't talented, but I just prefer Janet over Madge, period. So I just don't understand the essence of the "debate," so to speak. I have a feeling Janet still has a few fans to warrant a tour. Now.. I really think for Janet it's more about her desire to tour because from what I've read--she doesn't really like touring all that much. So we shall see. [Edited 10/28/07 9:24am] lol, I don't think anyone is disputing what you're personal preference is Isel. As fascinating as that is it doesn't really have any bearing on things. I prefer The Bangles to Janet, but that doesn't change the fact that Janet is bigger. You find my personal preference fascinating?  I'm just messin' with ya.
I like the Bangles, too. Well, my point is that do you care whether or not Janet is a bigger star than the Bangles? If you had a choice would go to see Janet or the Bangles? See I just don't care if Madge is "on-paper" more successful in regard to sales than Janet. I actually don't even care is Janet is not the same type of artist as Prince. I just accept Janet for what she is. I enjoy her music. And I'd like to see her in concert. So I just don't see how it's relevant that Madonna has more success? Does that mean Madge is necessarily better? Well, she might be to her fans, but not to me. Now, I prefer Madge over Jennifer Lopez! And I definitely think Madge has earned her place. But in regard to music and performance, I prefer Janet, so I don't care how much more "successful" or "artistic" Madge might be considered by some.
It disappoints me Janet hasn't toured, but then again I don't expect her to be necessarily apologetic for not touring. Do you all expect her to really say: My last two albums weren't as successful as I would have liked, so I cancelled the tour. I don't. She's not like Prince who seems to love performing whether or not his albums are successful. I think Janet just doesn't like the grind of touring and looks at that part of it as a "job" even though she might like the process of recording a new cd--and maybe even videos? | |
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floetcist said: midnightmover said: Damn, I thought dumbness was just a hobby for you, but I see now it's a full time occupation. What's the pay like? Nevermind. Let me break it down for you as simply as I can. Janet didn't become a major music star until 1986. Madonna broke through in 1984. Janet's time at the top ended about 5 years ago. Madonna is still at the top. Therefore Madonna has lasted longer. By the way, if you check the record you'll find that at no point in her career has Madonna been as low and hitless as Janet is right now. She bounced back from American Life in only two years. Even in the Sex period she was still selling out stadiums around the world. Within four years she was back on top with Evita. It's worth mentioning also that a flop by Madonna's standards is not the same as a flop by Janet's standards since Madonna has always been a far bigger seller internationally than Janet. Or are you still in denial about that? How is Madonna still on top? Ask a non-Madonna fan from the general public to name the most recent song of hers that they remember. Its going to be 'Music' from 2000 just like its All For You from Janet in 2001. No one is thinking about Madonna right now. And I think when you're BANNED from RADIO AIR PLAY, MTV AND FINED BY THE FCC its going hard to sell records, don't you know? Or are you still in denial about that? #1 Janet was not fined by the FCC. She left that mess for the broadcasters to clearn up. #2 the "MTV ban" is a myth. I Want You got a decent amount of airplay. as did So Excited. and btw, VH1 and BET are owned by MTV, and they got even more airplay on those channels, so let's stop pretending she's been "banned" by MTV. "Half of what I say is meaningless; but I say it so that the other half may reach you." - Kahlil Gibran | |
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Raze said: floetcist said: How is Madonna still on top? Ask a non-Madonna fan from the general public to name the most recent song of hers that they remember. Its going to be 'Music' from 2000 just like its All For You from Janet in 2001. No one is thinking about Madonna right now. And I think when you're BANNED from RADIO AIR PLAY, MTV AND FINED BY THE FCC its going hard to sell records, don't you know? Or are you still in denial about that? #1 Janet was not fined by the FCC. She left that mess for the broadcasters to clearn up. #2 the "MTV ban" is a myth. I Want You got a decent amount of airplay. as did So Excited. and btw, VH1 and BET are owned by MTV, and they got even more airplay on those channels, so let's stop pretending she's been "banned" by MTV. I was pretty sure that was bullshit, but I let it slide anyway, since there were so many other weak points crying out to be attacked. But see, this is why you can't trust zealots. They don't know when they're deceiving themselves; editing bits of information in their own mind to suit them best. It's one reason I take everything they say with a pinch of salt. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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Raze said: [quote:a7359ebd43]floetcist said: [quote:a7359ebd43]How is Madonna still on top? Ask a non-Madonna fan from the general public to name the most recent song of hers that they remember. Its going to be 'Music' from 2000 just like its All For You from Janet in 2001. No one is thinking about Madonna right now. And I think when you're BANNED from RADIO AIR PLAY, MTV AND FINED BY THE FCC its going hard to sell records, don't you know? Or are you still in denial about that?[/quote:a7359ebd43] #1 Janet was not fined by the FCC. She left that mess for the broadcasters to clearn up. #2 the "MTV ban" is a myth. I Want You got a decent amount of airplay. as did So Excited. and btw, VH1 and BET are owned by MTV, and they got even more airplay on those channels, so let's stop pretending she's been "banned" by MTV.[/quote:a7359ebd43] please Mtv played I want you . one time. that's it. vh1 played it a little and but most of the airplay came from bet. you knew bet wasn't going to stop playing her get real. vh1 never played call on me and neither did mtv. so excited recieved a whooping 17 plays on mtv total and 32 on vh1 . would you like to see the rotation for other artists on mediabase? most of her video airplay has been from Bet. when was the last time you saw mtv or vh1 debute her new video ? umm 2001 and when was the last time Janet was on trl ? exactly? [Edited 10/28/07 12:18pm] | |
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coltrane3 said: Like it or not, Janet has clearly crossed over into the "Hits" stage of her career, where her older material is looked upon more fondly than her new material, and where many find her new material less exciting. I realize I don't speak for everyone, and some people do love her new material. This is not to say that she shouldn't put out new music or only play the Hits on tour.
This happens to all artists who have long term careers. The best example is the Rolling Stones. They're muscians,so they continue to write and release albums, sometimes creating some decent material. But hardly anyone really cares, and people attend all of those sold out Stones tours to hear the older stuff. Janet's real value now is as a touring artist. It doesn't matter how bad her recent albums are doing, because fans know that there is more to the shows than the recent songs. She'll sell out (or nearly sell out) a tour as soon as she announces one. So her focus on another new album is just silly. She's a "producer artist", meaning she greenlights what producers write, maybe adding her own take or flourishes hear or there. She's not a singer-songwriter, so for her to act like she needs time to "concentrate" on a new album is crap. I guess it's plausible that a new record company would want her to tour after releasing a record on their lable, so the tour can drive sales, but I really don't buy it. Get out on stage Janet and dance your ass off, it's what the fans want. GOODNESS...Don't be so hard on her i for ONE would buy her new stuff and would see her on tour as well. I feel another album is good as long as it's dance oriented....I also feel she is a singer/songwriter...If Beyonce can be addressed as a songwriter for writing a melody then Janet should TOO! Go Janet you are still a legend who set the trends and then some. You have "Control"! | |
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shortstuff45220 said: Raze said: [quote:a7359ebd43]floetcist said: [quote:a7359ebd43]How is Madonna still on top? Ask a non-Madonna fan from the general public to name the most recent song of hers that they remember. Its going to be 'Music' from 2000 just like its All For You from Janet in 2001. No one is thinking about Madonna right now. And I think when you're BANNED from RADIO AIR PLAY, MTV AND FINED BY THE FCC its going hard to sell records, don't you know? Or are you still in denial about that?[/quote:a7359ebd43] #1 Janet was not fined by the FCC. She left that mess for the broadcasters to clearn up. #2 the "MTV ban" is a myth. I Want You got a decent amount of airplay. as did So Excited. and btw, VH1 and BET are owned by MTV, and they got even more airplay on those channels, so let's stop pretending she's been "banned" by MTV.[/quote:a7359ebd43] please Mtv played I want you . one time. that's it. vh1 played it a little and but most of the airplay came from bet. you knew bet wasn't going to stop playing her get real. vh1 never played call on me and neither did mtv. so excited recieved a whooping 17 plays on mtv total and 32 on vh1 . would you like to see the rotation for other artists on mediabase? most of her video airplay has been from Bet. when was the last time you saw mtv or vh1 debute her new video ? umm 2001 and when was the last time Janet was on trl ? exactly? THANK YOU. White Americans, what? Nothing better to do? Why don't you kick yourself out? You're an immigrant too. -White Stripes | |
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Raze said: floetcist said: How is Madonna still on top? Ask a non-Madonna fan from the general public to name the most recent song of hers that they remember. Its going to be 'Music' from 2000 just like its All For You from Janet in 2001. No one is thinking about Madonna right now. And I think when you're BANNED from RADIO AIR PLAY, MTV AND FINED BY THE FCC its going hard to sell records, don't you know? Or are you still in denial about that? #1 Janet was not fined by the FCC. She left that mess for the broadcasters to clearn up. #2 the "MTV ban" is a myth. I Want You got a decent amount of airplay. as did So Excited. and btw, VH1 and BET are owned by MTV, and they got even more airplay on those channels, so let's stop pretending she's been "banned" by MTV. First off, let me start by saying im older so show like TRL doesn't appeal to me anyway. But Janet was blacklisted from MTV. Usually a janet Jackson video (whether you think its a good song or not) was always treated as an event on MTV with heavy promotion. She wasn't invited to appear on TRL. Fans could't vote for her video because it was never included on the TRL voting site. Fans who flodded MTV's message boards had their memberships canceled. Her bio and videos were completely absent from the website (they are back now). The blacklist was never addressed by MTV, but they said they didn't air the video because the song wasn't that good (as if the other crap they air are artistic masterpieces). The only time you could catch a Janet video was on MTV hits (a 3rd MTV Channel-not the main one) and usually at off peak hours, VH! soul, and BET(which gave the most rotation). This happened to Damita Jo, whic I liked and think it was a much better(and more Janet style) cd then 20Y0. I am a janet fan, but I wasn't feeling 20YO. It seems that the ice is slowly melting and they are covering Janet news again. I just hope Janet learned from her errors (all pop stars had some), and put out a kick ass POP (not shit hop and r and B) cd that blowsus away. I believe she still has it, The fans want less sex and more dance which made her a star in the first place. "POOR IS THE MAN WHO'S PLEASURES DEPEND ON THE PERMISSION OF ANOTHER" Madonna
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floetcist said: midnightmover said: Damn, I thought dumbness was just a hobby for you, but I see now it's a full time occupation. What's the pay like? Nevermind. Let me break it down for you as simply as I can. Janet didn't become a major music star until 1986. Madonna broke through in 1984. Janet's time at the top ended about 5 years ago. Madonna is still at the top. Therefore Madonna has lasted longer. By the way, if you check the record you'll find that at no point in her career has Madonna been as low and hitless as Janet is right now. She bounced back from American Life in only two years. Even in the Sex period she was still selling out stadiums around the world. Within four years she was back on top with Evita. It's worth mentioning also that a flop by Madonna's standards is not the same as a flop by Janet's standards since Madonna has always been a far bigger seller internationally than Janet. Or are you still in denial about that? How is Madonna still on top? Ask a non-Madonna fan from the general public to name the most recent song of hers that they remember. Its going to be 'Music' from 2000 just like its All For You from Janet in 2001. No one is thinking about Madonna right now. And I think when you're BANNED from RADIO AIR PLAY, MTV AND FINED BY THE FCC its going hard to sell records, don't you know? Or are you still in denial about that? JUST LAST YEAR,Madonna completed a world tour that grossed nearly $200 million and became the biggest,most successful tour ever by a female artist. In addition,her last album 'Confessions On A Dancefloor' was a global smash,selling over 10 million copies worldwide. Just a few days ago,she was able to get a new record deal worth $120 million. Is she still "on top"? Who knows? But I would argue that,at least for the time being,her career is in a healthier state than Janets'. | |
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I don't care if she ever tours again. If I want to see a stage full of choreographed dancers, I'll go see "Rent". Andy is a four letter word. | |
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shortstuff45220 said: floetcist said: Thank you. Its a routine. Of course shes going to do it more or less, the same. The only time that I remember her completely changing the choreography was All For You, for the Superbowl. Didn't like it. If Michael ever changed 'Billie Jean' it'd be unforgivable  agrees 100% I didn't like the superbowl choregraphy for all for you either. because I loved the breakdown in the orginal . I loved Rythmn Nation thou. both Michael and Janet are lazy and afaird of taking chances. Vogue was iconic and so was the orginial choerography. Everyone was trying to copy those moves when they heard the song and they still do to this day. However Madge changed it up. Hell the MTV performance of Like A Virgin was iconic and she's done it different every tour. [Edited 10/29/07 10:04am] You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: shortstuff45220 said: agrees 100% I didn't like the superbowl choregraphy for all for you either. because I loved the breakdown in the orginal . I loved Rythmn Nation thou. both Michael and Janet are lazy and afaird of taking chances. Vogue was iconic and so was the orginial choerography. Everyone was trying to copy those moves when they heard the song and they still do to this day. However Madge changed it up. Hell the MTV performance of Like A Virgin was iconic and she's done it different every tour. [Edited 10/29/07 10:04am] I think people asscoite Michael and Janet with their choregraphy more than they do Madonna. Even my friends who don't like Janet or Michale . Think of the thriller dance and If dance. Their dancing is deffinatly more iconic and a big part of their appeal. [Edited 10/29/07 11:00am] | |
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shortstuff45220 said: ehuffnsd said: both Michael and Janet are lazy and afaird of taking chances. Vogue was iconic and so was the orginial choerography. Everyone was trying to copy those moves when they heard the song and they still do to this day. However Madge changed it up. Hell the MTV performance of Like A Virgin was iconic and she's done it different every tour. [Edited 10/29/07 10:04am] I think people asscoite Michael and Janet with their choregraphy more than they do Madonna. Even my friends who don't like Janet or Michale . Think of the thriller dance and If dance. Their dancing is deffinatly more iconic and a big part of their appeal. [Edited 10/29/07 11:00am] maybe they'd be more of a drive to tour if they didn't have to do the same routine over and over. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: shortstuff45220 said: I think people asscoite Michael and Janet with their choregraphy more than they do Madonna. Even my friends who don't like Janet or Michale . Think of the thriller dance and If dance. Their dancing is deffinatly more iconic and a big part of their appeal. [Edited 10/29/07 11:00am] maybe they'd be more of a drive to tour if they didn't have to do the same routine over and over. Michael Jackson has said in several interviews that the HIStory tour would be his last. But I would love to see him on stage without the overbloated production that Madonna depends on so much (and Michael Jackson too later on in his career). | |
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Axchi696 said: floetcist said: What are you talking about? All For You was a extremely successful album. What does that have to do with tours and excuses? Whatever, I think people read too deeply into such things. The AFY Tour wasn't a smashing success. Instead of blaming weak ticket sales, Janet blamed terrorism and pulled out of a European tour. I saw her on that tour twice in the USA, and neither show was anywhere near sold out. I don't know where you've seen the tour, but I also saw 2 shows in the US and 1 in Canada and those were (near) sold out! Also the US tour got extended by a month, instead of touring Europe, so the tour was successful in the US! I agree about Europe and the terrorism excuse though! She wasn't worried about extending the US tour and touring Japan! | |
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xperience319 said: ehuffnsd said: Janet's If
janet tour http://www.youtube.com/wa...xGe5nzaP3o vr tour http://www.youtube.com/wa...KqSvM_afec a4u http://www.youtube.com/wa...nVy-0lXbAs Madonna's Vouge BA http://www.youtube.com/wa...Z2MJpkgSCg GS http://www.youtube.com/wa...AS-SZe4lz4 RIT http://www.youtube.com/wa...GrhWOSYIbk I wish Janet had the balls to challange her fans like Mads has. [Edited 10/19/07 13:36pm] QFT!! How did janet's fans let her get away with that SAME performance 3 tours in a row?? does she do this on all her hits?? Well, If has a great,epic, awesome choreography made famous by the video! It never gets boring, so there is no need to change it! Of course, if you have a boring choreography to begin with you do well to change it up! | |
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Rodya24 said: ehuffnsd said: maybe they'd be more of a drive to tour if they didn't have to do the same routine over and over. Michael Jackson has said in several interviews that the HIStory tour would be his last. But I would love to see him on stage without the overbloated production that Madonna depends on so much (and Michael Jackson too later on in his career). he said that about the victory tour and then the bad tour..... "we make our heroes in America only to destroy them" | |
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SoulAlive said: In addition,her last album 'Confessions On A Dancefloor' was a global smash,selling over 10 million copies worldwide.
Okay,this is off-topic... well, the whole debate kinda is, but it's so funny how COAD with 10 mio sold was "a global smash" and Michael's Invincible with the same amount sold was labeled a major flop! It puzzles me! | |
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PatrickS77 said: SoulAlive said: In addition,her last album 'Confessions On A Dancefloor' was a global smash,selling over 10 million copies worldwide.
Okay,this is off-topic... well, the whole debate kinda is, but it's so funny how COAD with 10 mio sold was "a global smash" and Michael's Invincible with the same amount sold was labeled a major flop! It puzzles me! Confessions came out in 2005, Invincible in 2001. The market had changed drastically in the 4 years in between. Confessions was marketed as a synth/disco album, which was completely out of step with the musical climate in the US at the time. Invicible was a R&B/pop album produced by the producers of the moment, and had a much bigger budget than Madge did. But the comparisions are stupid, anyway. [Edited 10/29/07 14:31pm] I'm the first mammal to wear pants. | |
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PatrickS77 said: SoulAlive said: In addition,her last album 'Confessions On A Dancefloor' was a global smash,selling over 10 million copies worldwide.
Okay,this is off-topic... well, the whole debate kinda is, but it's so funny how COAD with 10 mio sold was "a global smash" and Michael's Invincible with the same amount sold was labeled a major flop! It puzzles me! because that's just the way it is, there is a double standard with MJ "we make our heroes in America only to destroy them" | |
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Axchi696 said: floetcist said: What are you talking about? All For You was a extremely successful album. What does that have to do with tours and excuses? Whatever, I think people read too deeply into such things. The AFY Tour wasn't a smashing success. Instead of blaming weak ticket sales, Janet blamed terrorism and pulled out of a European tour. I saw her on that tour twice in the USA, and neither show was anywhere near sold out. for someone who is not a fan..you seem to be such a janet expert... anyways i didnt get to go.. but i think in my area it was sold out... I bought the AFY tour DVD and thought it was amazing Im sorry but janet NEEDS TO tour... that is what makes her stand out... and the reason why she does the same moves for certain songs is because those are trade mark dances... that go with the song... why would she change the dances moves to rhythm nation, if, or even Escapade... that is what makes you like the song even more.. the dances that go along [Edited 10/29/07 14:44pm] |
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TotalAlisa said: Axchi696 said: The AFY Tour wasn't a smashing success. Instead of blaming weak ticket sales, Janet blamed terrorism and pulled out of a European tour. I saw her on that tour twice in the USA, and neither show was anywhere near sold out. for someone who is not a fan..you seem to be such a janet expert... anyways i didnt get to go.. but i think in my area it was sold out... I bought the AFY tour DVD and thought it was amazing Im sorry but janet NEEDS TO tour... that is what makes her stand out... and the reason why she does the same moves for certain songs is because those are trade mark dances... that go with the song... why would she change the dances moves to rhythm nation, if, or even Escapade... that is what makes you like the song even more.. the dances that go along [Edited 10/29/07 14:44pm] When did I ever say that I wasn't a fan? I've seen Janet in concert 3 times. I've bought everything she's ever released. I've been into the woman since 1989. I've queued in line for her albums. Just because I don't drink the kool-aid and can objectively listen to her music doesn't mean I'm not a fan. And the fact remains that when I saw her on The Velvet Rope tour, it was just a photocopy of the Janet tour, and the All For You tour was just a Xerox of the TVR show. And in the three times I've seen the woman, none of the arenas were anywhere close to being sold out. True story. I'm the first mammal to wear pants. | |
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Axchi696 said: TotalAlisa said: for someone who is not a fan..you seem to be such a janet expert... anyways i didnt get to go.. but i think in my area it was sold out... I bought the AFY tour DVD and thought it was amazing Im sorry but janet NEEDS TO tour... that is what makes her stand out... and the reason why she does the same moves for certain songs is because those are trade mark dances... that go with the song... why would she change the dances moves to rhythm nation, if, or even Escapade... that is what makes you like the song even more.. the dances that go along [Edited 10/29/07 14:44pm] When did I ever say that I wasn't a fan? I've seen Janet in concert 3 times. I've bought everything she's ever released. I've been into the woman since 1989. I've queued in line for her albums. Just because I don't drink the kool-aid and can objectively listen to her music doesn't mean I'm not a fan. And the fact remains that when I saw her on The Velvet Rope tour, it was just a photocopy of the Janet tour, and the All For You tour was just a Xerox of the TVR show. And in the three times I've seen the woman, none of the arenas were anywhere close to being sold out. True story. i don't drink kool-aid either... it taste a lil funny... 
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Axchi696 said: TotalAlisa said: for someone who is not a fan..you seem to be such a janet expert... anyways i didnt get to go.. but i think in my area it was sold out... I bought the AFY tour DVD and thought it was amazing Im sorry but janet NEEDS TO tour... that is what makes her stand out... and the reason why she does the same moves for certain songs is because those are trade mark dances... that go with the song... why would she change the dances moves to rhythm nation, if, or even Escapade... that is what makes you like the song even more.. the dances that go along [Edited 10/29/07 14:44pm] When did I ever say that I wasn't a fan? I've seen Janet in concert 3 times. I've bought everything she's ever released. I've been into the woman since 1989. I've queued in line for her albums. Just because I don't drink the kool-aid and can objectively listen to her music doesn't mean I'm not a fan. And the fact remains that when I saw her on The Velvet Rope tour, it was just a photocopy of the Janet tour, and the All For You tour was just a Xerox of the TVR show. And in the three times I've seen the woman, none of the arenas were anywhere close to being sold out. True story. Yes janet's biggest flaw is her repetitve tours. | |
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TotalAlisa said: Axchi696 said: \
When did I ever say that I wasn't a fan? I've seen Janet in concert 3 times. I've bought everything she's ever released. I've been into the woman since 1989. I've queued in line for her albums. Just because I don't drink the kool-aid and can objectively listen to her music doesn't mean I'm not a fan. And the fact remains that when I saw her on The Velvet Rope tour, it was just a photocopy of the Janet tour, and the All For You tour was just a Xerox of the TVR show. And in the three times I've seen the woman, none of the arenas were anywhere close to being sold out. True story. i don't drink kool-aid either... it taste a lil funny...
and are you serious where are you from You're one of the few black (I reckon you are) people to say that you don't drink kool-aid. It's the best stuff.  But hey, different strokes for different folks.  | |
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mancabdriver said: Axchi696 said: \
When did I ever say that I wasn't a fan? I've seen Janet in concert 3 times. I've bought everything she's ever released. I've been into the woman since 1989. I've queued in line for her albums. Just because I don't drink the kool-aid and can objectively listen to her music doesn't mean I'm not a fan. And the fact remains that when I saw her on The Velvet Rope tour, it was just a photocopy of the Janet tour, and the All For You tour was just a Xerox of the TVR show. And in the three times I've seen the woman, none of the arenas were anywhere close to being sold out. True story. Yes janet's biggest flaw is her repetitve tours. She kept on doing what she had done with "janet." and "The Velvet Rope" on her last tour. It was like she wanted to get it over with. If Tina had stayed, we probably wouldn't have seen the repetivive stuff, just stating. Maybe Janet can sing all the old songs all the way through this time IF she wants to. | |
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