TotalAlisa said:

You could say the same about Madonna. She's lasted longer than Janet, and you've spent the whole of this thread telling us how crap she is, so you need to find a better defence than that. As for Janet being special. Yeah, she's special just like lottery winners are special. Most people don't win the lottery. Only a very small, select group do. Does that mean they're special or just lucky?
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first of all is Janet being 100% honest. nope. Gil already told us back in Februray on his blog. that one of her sponsors bailed on her and they wanted her to down size the tour. Janet got upset and said it wasn't worth it no more. Unless Janet changed her mind .
but it's not completely out of the questions for a lable to ask for her to tour with a new album. why would they want her making money for Virgin still.

secondly why do some of you even bothering replying to Janet thread. especially if you already said you don't respect her or like her. that's fine but state your OPPION as fact. when it's isn't. and Janet is in control of her career more than people give her credit for. If she wasn't she would still be managed by her father. and probably would of quit by now if she wasn;t that into. but 20 years later, Janet is still going strong. and you know what at the end of the day Janet choses who she wants to work with, what she wants to sing about and ect just like Madonna. the only different id Janet doesn't across as a "bitch" like Madonna does. so people assume Janet just sits around in the studio and twidle her thumds.snd yes sometimes Jimmy Jam, Jermaine, and sometimes even Gil updates, her fans on what's going on but they don't make the decisions.
and yawn at the whole Rene thing. it's no screat that Rene wnated to be in the business and he couldn't make it. which is exactly why he's not doing nothing today. Janet got tired of him sitting around doing nothing , so she gave him credit for the Velvet Rope thinking it'll give hime a break. and I am not sure how much he did on that I certainlty tell you he wouldn't had Qutip on the album. and his brother did more in Videos and Photography than he did.
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shortstuff45220 said:

Nevermind the rest. This is the important bit. Case closed.

totaldiva said:

Thanking U Totaldiva.....WELL SAID!

midnightmover said:

Does it matter. Janet will tour eventually, and when she does. it will be the way she wants it to be. I also wouldn't expect her to come out and say that.

also didn't Madonna take a eight year break until 2001. (or was that just here in the states) and it's only been six for Janet . and yet people weren't calling her lazy.

shortstuff45220 said:

I think the difference is that Madonna had two successful albums -- RAY OF LIGHT AND MUSIC -- (over ten million copies sold each) and one semi-successful album -- BEDTIME STORIES -- (about five million copies sold) during those years of not touring. Also, she starred in Evita and other embarrassing movies. Moreover, she gave birth to her daughter. Plus, from what I understand (please correct me, Madonna fans, if I am wrong), she did not promise to tour, like Janet did for Damita Jo and 20 YO.

I also forgot to add, Janet toured with the velevet Rope and that album started off worse than 20 Yo ( didn't pick up until together again came out.. and yet she still toured. so the success of an album has nothing to do with it.
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shortstuff45220 said:

Since Janet Jackson has had two flop albums in a row, you are right, she should have toured.

Rodya24 said:

instead of touring she chose to make music still nothing wrong with that. it's not like touring helps. It didn't do anything for American life and coffesions ( here in the states)
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shortstuff45220 said:

No, but the two tours generated an incredible amount of $. Moreover, Madonna gave her fans the opportunity to see her in concert. She did not let a flop like American Life deter her from touring OR from recording another album.

shortstuff45220 said:

Why couldn't she? Like I said earlier, people respect honesty. What they don't like is being lied to and Janet seems to do that more than any other artist I can think of. Hell, she's not even good at it. Like saying the photographers made her pose for sexually explicit photos. After 15 years of posing like that, to turn around and blame it on the photographers is worse than weak. If you're gonna lie, at least try not to make it so obvious.

midnightmover said:

Even more than Michael?

Rodya24 said:

Bedtime Stories had a tour scheduled and planned and was starting production when Madonna got the Evita role.

And I believe she was considering a ROL tour but did Next Best Thing because she wasn't ready to tour.
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Rodya24 said:

She said she was doing a greatest hour tour to trick people into buying tickets. 9 of 23 songs were from AL though

JackieBlue said:

I don't think of Michael as a current artist. He's an ex-pop star in my book who tries to keep his hand in. He's strictly a part-timer.
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ehuffnsd said:

Ahhh... That makes sense. Another reason why I think Janet Jackson made a good decision starring in the Tyler Perry film. Perhaps her career will bounce back soon.

ehuffnsd said:

midnightmover said:

I never said madonna was crap...you are mistaking yourself for .. saying that Janet is crap...

but i did say Madonna is NO more talent then janet... and not as talented.... but i didn't say she was crap....

she is lucky.. because the only thing i can say as an artist that she is better then janet... is that she has managed to stay in the media and manager her career...

but I can't say she is a better dancer, nor singer... because janet can dance circles around madonna....

(if you translate that s me saying madonna is crap.. maybe you must think that yourself... because i did NOT SAY IT)

TotalAlisa said:

Right, Madonna is lucky, but Janet is special. Hhhhm, let's see. Janet was raised in a wealthy showbiz family and was handed a record deal aged only 16 despite never having played any live gigs of her own, while Madonna left home and city with no money, lived in shitholes for years, played crappy dives in different bands for chump change, and persevered through one disappointment after another before finally getting a record deal. Bearing that in mind, who's success was most down to luck, and who's was down to determination?
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J.Lo is betta!

midnightmover said:

LUcky to stay in the media.... How do you know that madonna didn't sleep her way into a record contract like so many people.. and believe me.. i heard about the rumours...

but i will say this a 100 times... i DO not care if janet doesnt sell a million.. as long as i enjoy the music.. then that is what matters.... Im being entertain.. and thats what entertainers are suppose to do....

last thing.. janet success is hers and NOT mine... I don't wish failure on her.. but if she doesnt sell that much then its too bad.. she accomplished a lot...

and i will defend janet if someone tries to say madonna is greater... I like madoona a lil.. but im not going to say she is better...

TotalAlisa said:

Madonna never slept with someone to get the Sire record contract!

TotalAlisa said:

There is an element of luck in everything, but Madonna has shown herself to be very savvy and determined in maintaining her career. Working with different people, reinventing her image, etc. Janet has done none of these things. She hasn't even bothered to change her show from tour to tour. She has merely gone with the flow and fortunately the flow has gone her way mostly. That is luck.

MikeMatronik said:

Mark Kamins.

midnightmover said:

Seymour Stein and the A&R guy that Kamins gave the demo were gay though.

ehuffnsd said:

Kamins was the guy who applied the pressure. He also took her tape to Island Records, but got no joy from them. There's no doubt about it, he was a useful person to sleep with, but that doesn't change the fact that Madonna worked damn hard to get her success and keep it. She had to go against her family and against everything to make her dreams come true, whereas Janet merely stepped into the family business and has been going with the flow ever since.
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sassybritches said:

I agree Sassy. I'm sick of her bullshit too.

midnightmover said:

The woman was smart and determined. She knew she could use sex to get what she wanted.

And I have to agree she paid her dues in shitholes and places like Max's KC and CBGB's so it's not like it was just sex that her her deal.

CHIC0 said:

lmao

ehuffnsd said:

Wow, I didn't know the SIRE CEO was gay or the deejay but that goes to show you how little I know about certain people. Madonna got by through hard determination and drive and the help of the proud and gay.