ehuffnsd said:

okay.. soo... Madonna still couldn't create a tour like janet

Rodya24 said:

okay... im saying that if people Label Madonna as having talent... then you definitly should label Janet having talent as well... because they basically are in the same kind of music genre... and janet can clearly dance better... and IMO have better songs...

but honestly How many people off the street do you know could perform like janet on the Velvet rope... even though she can't sing and coreographed... I really like to see you do what she did.. SINCE you are claiming she has NO talent.. because if thats NOT talent then EVERYONE off the street could do what she did.....

TotalAlisa said:

The difference between Janet Jackson and most average people one meets on the street is that latter do not depend on singing and dancing for their livelihood.

And who said that Madonna is more talented than Janet Jackson? Both are mediocre singers. And the fact that you think Janet Jackson has the better songs is your opinion, not mine. People can have different opinions, you know.

TotalAlisa said:

I love janet but the types of shows are totally different.

Janet is straight up song and dance show.


Madonna isn't. Madonna uses costumes, lighting, video, music, and atmosphere to tell a story. More of play like performance artist type thing.


both are good at what they do, but to say one type of show is better than the other is just opinion.

i'd love for Janet to try to be more like Madonna when it comes to concerts but it isn't going to happen.

Madonna, Kylie, Christina, Britney all do different arrangments, choerography, costumes and other things to make each concert experience unique.

Janet does a varition of the previous tours costumes and has been the same dancing we've seen her do tour after tour. It's a bit boring if you ask me. The only time Mads did the same dance routine on a tour was Don't Tell Me in DWT and RIT but even RIT was changed a bit ad something new to it.

midnightmover said:

exactly which songs did rene co-write? and please tell me the big difference between the songs on the janet. album then say some of the stuff on all for you and damita jo? paula's abdul choreography cant touch the stuff janet did after working with her. this is the problem i have with the janet haters on this site, everything she does is overanalyzed and picked apart, its like janet is the only artists to work with producers, have choreographers,make an album that didnt sell big,ect. i dont know anybody who ever held janet up to be some kinda great profound artist..regardless who worked with janet, she made the songs what they are, none of the people who gets all the credit for her success has come close to having the same kinda success with anybody else. love her or hate her she made her mark and earned her success.its funny that other people get all the credit when things were good, but when she hit her down period its all on janet,even though jimmy and terry was still her producers.of course she changed from her 1st 2 albums, she was a teenager still under her father's thumb. jam&lewis was able to bring the best out of her and they developed a great chemistry.

Janet's If

janet tour
http://www.youtube.com/wa...xGe5nzaP3o

vr tour
http://www.youtube.com/wa...KqSvM_afec

a4u
http://www.youtube.com/wa...nVy-0lXbAs


Madonna's Vouge
BA
http://www.youtube.com/wa...Z2MJpkgSCg

GS
http://www.youtube.com/wa...AS-SZe4lz4

RIT
http://www.youtube.com/wa...GrhWOSYIbk

I wish Janet had the balls to challange her fans like Mads has.
[Edited 10/19/07 13:36pm]

lowkey said:

I hate to break this to you, but Rene was co-writing everything with Janet from RN up till VR. It was kept secret, just like their marriage was kept secret. If you look on the credits to VR you'll see him listed openly for the first time, but he'd actually been co-writing with her for a decade by then. He spoke about this as early as 98. More details were coming out in their divorce case, but Janet paid him off.

As for PA's choreography compared to those who came after her, what does that have to with my post? The point is Janet is only as good as her choreographer, whoever that choreographer is. I'm sure the rest of your post was fascinating but I switched off after seing these two misunderstandings in just the first few sentences. Can't be assed with the rest I'm afraid.

midnightmover said:

Yup. Although there was one particular scene in the movie where I thought her acting was a little above average, her acting in the movie overall was hardly anything to write home about. The Janet fans saying things like "Omg she was so amazing" are either straight up lying or just in denial. Her acting wasn't that impressive in the movie at all but I have to say that it was smart of her to take a role in this film since it turned out to be a hit. This can only be a good thing for her.

Cinnamon234 said:

Yeah, but a supporting role in a chick-flick for 30 somethings is hardly gonna make her seem exciting to younger audiences. Maybe it's an American thing, but this film seems boring to me.

midnightmover said:

I used to ignore this. I once thought that all the great writing came from Janet's pen and Jimmy & Terry only but when Rene did leave, I have to admit, I realize now something was truly missing.

I still dig Janet but her material has been subpar since Rene has left. Real talk.

TotalAlisa said:

NO Madonna can't really do choreographed moves very well. As on her last tour most of the dancers were doing the work. She more did yoga..some dancing and stage bits. I cant imagine Maddy even tryin to do Rhythm Nation

Janet..we just miss the good old days when her albums used to say something special. Now that her real hardcore fans are about 25 - 30 years old, we just want her to GROW


Something that Madonna has been doing ever since True Blue...we have seen her progress musically after each and every album. Every LP she did sound different than the next. She switches the game up and leave you wondering what she's going to do next. I'm waiting for a time where Janet can do a song by Bjork sucessfully.

Janet has been stuck in R&B mode since All For You....it's just getting tired

Timmy84 said:

You weren't the only one who ignored it. It seemed like her whole fanbase ignored it. As always I was the only one who seemed to spot how huge a revalation that was. In '98 Rene said one reason he didn't take credit for the songs he wrote was because he didn't want her family thinking he was totally taking over her life. In '01 he confessed the main reason was because he and Janet wanted to make her look good in the industry. There was a fascinating interview she gave in '01 with a black British woman's magazine (Essence?) where she was asked about this. She said it was true and that for years she'd been uneasy giving interviews because she'd have to talk about Rene's ideas as if they were her own. She also asked the interviewer about Craig David and whether he was really as nice as he seemed, because a lot of artists apparently are totally different in private to what they seem in public. I mention that in the hope it might jog the memory of someone else who might actually have a copy of the magazine.
[Edited 10/19/07 15:15pm]

midnightmover said:

Yeah, Janet did say that Rene didn't wanna get a lot of credit for the stuff Janet was doing when they were together. Shit, opened my eyes.

midnightmover said:

so you were in the studio with them? the reason i pointed out her dancing was better post paula is because you specifically said she owe her dacing to paula. so what you're saying is if somebody has a different opinion from you then you really not interested in hearing it? i dont even know you but i can tell from your attitude you are one of those smug british music experts with a superiority complex. like i said i dont see this big difference in the songs you claim rene helped write,from some of the stuff on all for you.you can speculate all you want about what went on behind the scenes, bottom line is janet has had success without rene, has he had any without her? is he the only songwriter in history who's career seized as soon as his partner bounced?

did she talk in a whispery voice, unlike when she was on Oprah?

what's to explain? no one was willing to put on the show and no one was willing to go see the show. it's no secret, so let's not make up some b.s. after the fact. besides, she didn't tour in 2004 when she was planning to either, for the same reasons, and there was no new label involved in the decision at that time.


another jackson unwilling or unable to face reality.


and besides, all you have to do to see a new janet jackson tour is put on a VHS or DVD of any of the last 4 and mute a few of the newer songs she played on whatever tour that was and play whatever your favorite songs (if there are such things) from the new album in their place. it's the same fucking show year in and year out, so why bother to do it at all?

sosgemini said:

I am very calm, sweetie. Neither Janet or the Org are paying any of my bills, so im cool either way. If you cannot take difference of opinions and other people's statements, maybe the Org is not for you.Sometimes we agree, somethimes we do not. Such is life. I will eat tomorrow either way. I respect everyones opinion and I'm never nasty to anyone. If my statement is a reason to cut my membership, so be it. Maybe we all need to calm down.

Timmy84 said:

I remember Rene's comments and I was surprised but it wasn't a big deal to me then. Alot of people feel Rene couldn't have been much of a contributor because he hasn't gone on to do other things post-Janet but I don't see how that matters. There are many people who are quite content no longer being in the music business. Perhaps working with Janet was enough and he is in a different place in his life today. It certainly doesn't take away from what he contributed during those years.
[Edited 10/19/07 17:47pm]

JackieBlue said:

True. I just wish either Janet gets the music shit together or some shit, lol.

lowkey said:

You might want to re-read my earlier post to avoid further confusion. What I said was that Janet's style of performance completely changed after she hired her first choreographer Paula Abdul. Compare an '84 performance with an '86 performance and you'll see that. I never made any comparison to later performances since that wasn't the point. The fact that her choreography improved further when she hired a new choreographer for Rhythm Nation only further strengthens my point, i.e. it's the choreographers that make the difference, not her.

As for Rene's contributions you obviously didn't hear what I said. Let me type it out again. Both Janet and Rene have seperately confirmed that he was a secret songwriting partner for years. If you don't believe that then maybe you should tell Janet since she seems to disagree with you.

Janet should do a tour called "The Wardrobe Malfunction Tour".At each show,one of her outfits will malfunction,exposing a body part.The more shows you attend,the more of Janet's body you will see

just kidding

but she really should do an aggressive,"fuck you!" type tour,where she has a bold,I-don't-care attitude....sorta like a big middle finger to all the people who criticized her.

SoulAlive said:

Yeah, I would love to see that. Just destroy it! LOL

I've learned to accept that janet is not madonna, so she will never have the guts to do a tour like that, though I would love it

TotalAlisa said:

Jacksons hit big in the 60's (68, i believe) .. so yes.. Janet was rich with everything she wanted ..

Flowerz said:

They were famous for being at the Apollo in '68, they released their first single in '68 under a different label but their first "smash" was released at the end of '69 and became number-one in early-'70.

Timmy84 said:

so from 3 on Janet has been well taken care of.

she doesn't know another life.

ehuffnsd said:

Pretty much.

WHATEVER... if janet had NO talent she would not have been around... if she didn't have something about her... then... SHE still would have NOT lasted this long..... so she must be doing something right....

In america you can go from poor to rich.. and rich to poor... so there is NO guarentee.....

Janet is special... whether you want to not admit it.... or not....

I doubt you guys can acomplish what janet has done... even if you grew up "rich" like janet.... (and the jacksons were NOT that rich when she was lil...)