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I bought "Control" when it was released in 1986, "Rhythm Nation" in 1989, etc. I'm very familiar with Janet Jackson's name being listed with the songwriter credits, so you're not saying anything new.
I'm also familiar with Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis' music since they have been producing artists since the early 1980s. I'm also familiar with Jam and Lewis telling their story on how they created the "Control" album from interviews they have given on this subject since 1986. They recorded conversations with her to come up with ideas for songs, they played all instruments and wrote the lyrics and urged her to start playing a more active part in the process. By the end of the album, JJ was helping with some of the lyrics and changing some to fit her personality and preferences. I guess if you're not familiar with Jam and Lewis' music outside of JJ, then I could see if you have come to the wrong conclusion that she is some prolific songwriter and producer. But you evidently are under the impression that Jam and Lewis were more or less DIRECTED by Jackson on input or that she created the songs outright with them in the background. Of course, I notice you ducked my other questions. Tell me, since she is such a prolific songwriter and producer on her own, what stock elements of Janet Jackson's songs do you think WOULD NOT BE THERE if it was just Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis making the music? Better yet, there have been cases where acts have developed their songwriting and producing talents to a proficiency that they left a high-profile production team to create their own music (see The Jacksons, Toni! Tony! Tone!). Why hasn't JJ, who essentially has been associated with Jam and Lewis for 20 years? History has shown when acts in such situations have become so proficient in songwriting and producing that they leave their high-profile producers and start making their own songs. So why hasn't JJ, whose music strangely sounds similar to most of the other Jam and Lewis products they were producing at that time? [Edited 10/11/07 7:57am] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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DawnD said: But, so what? Artists have the right to work with whomever they choose! It isn't a crime!
Are you pissed because she's not in the studio alone!? You all do know that you don't have to listen to her work, don't you? If she's lacking creativity why even care to comment? If she's falling short in some instance of artistry, why bother? Like I said, trying to take things out of context and inventing your own arguments. History has shown that acts who develop their own songwriting and production proficiency to the point they don't need direction tend to start working on their own. That doesn't mean a Luther Vandross or Stevie Wonder won't work with a Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, but if Jam and Lewis said they didn't want to work with them those acts aren't going to sweat it. In other words, they don't NEED to work with Jam and Lewis to make music. These acts will write and/or produce albums by themselves Your argument is Janet Jackson is such as prolific songwriter and producer -- so where is your proof? All her music has been produced for years by Jam and Lewis, and it surely sounds like the music they have produced for others during the times those projects dropped. She surely wouldn't be running behind high-profile producers to make an album for her today. Surely if Jackson has developed enough skill that she is telling Jam and Lewis what to do (like you're suggesting) she would make an album by herself or primarily by herself. [Edited 10/11/07 7:53am] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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Najee said: Surely if Jackson has developed enough skill that she is telling Jam and Lewis what to do (like you're suggesting) she would make an album by herself or primarily by herself.
[Edited 10/11/07 7:53am] You don't have to be a musical genius to tell a producer what sound you want to hear on your own record. No one in here is claiming Janet is Stevie Wonder. Jeez. | |
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VoicesCarry said: You don't have to be a musical genius to tell a producer what sound you want to hear on your own record. No one in here is claiming Janet is Stevie Wonder. Jeez.
No, what you're saying is that Janet Jackson has enough skill and proficiency in songwriting and producing that she is telling Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis what to do -- which she doesn't. She is not having such an active role in the creation process that she is coming up with the songs and Jam and Lewis are assisting her. If you read what I said, you would have seen where I said JJ gave the input you described. But some zealots want to misinterpret liner credits that she is the primary creator on the songs she made with Jam and Lewis. [Edited 10/11/07 8:33am] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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Najee said: VoicesCarry said: You don't have to be a musical genius to tell a producer what sound you want to hear on your own record. No one in here is claiming Janet is Stevie Wonder. Jeez.
No, you're saying that Janet Jackson has enough skill and proficiency in songwriting and producing that she is telling Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis what to do -- which she doesn't. She is not having such an active role in the creation process that she is coming up with the songs and Jam and Lewis are assisting her. And where, exactly, did I say any of that? Oops, I didn't. 
Janet goes into the studio with some lyrics, maybe a vague melody line she thought up, and a basic idea of what she wants the album to sound like. Then Jam & Lewis produce it. | |
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I don't think anyone here belives Janet is capable of writing and producing an entire album by herself. No one claimed that in this thread, anyway. What they said is that she has creative input during the recording process. Nothing more, nothing less. | |
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VoicesCarry said: And where, exactly, did I say any of that? Oops, I didn't.
Janet goes into the studio with some lyrics, maybe a vague melody line she thought up, and a basic idea of what she wants the album to sound like. Then Jam & Lewis produce it. 1.) "You" is also plural -- at least it is in my part of the world. 2.) If you honestly believe that, especially when Janet Jackson never showed that ability on her first two albums and now we're supposed to think that she was telling two prolific songwriters and producers how to create music. 3.) It's funny how the songs sound like typical Jam and Lewis songs with the similar type of lyrical style, to boot. OK, we're supposed to believe that Jam and Lewis are order-takers for JJ only, while they historically directed the numerous other acts with whom they worked. 4.) Like I said, if she's proficient enough to give orders to two of the most prolific songwriter/production teams in the genre she's proficient enough to create music on her own. So why did she need them for this long? THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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VoicesCarry said: I don't think anyone here belives Janet is capable of writing and producing an entire album by herself. No one claimed that in this thread, anyway. What they said is that she has creative input during the recording process. Nothing more, nothing less.
At least a couple of people have said that Janet Jackson was a proficient enough songwriter and producer to direct Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis on this thread. There also have been other threads on The Org where zealots also have said similar thoughts. I've said what you said and I have had to defend my words, so apparently something is lost in the translation here. In reality, JJ is no different than most artists in her situation working with most songwriters/producers in their situations. [Edited 10/11/07 8:23am] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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Najee said: 1.) "You" is also plural -- at least it is in my part of the world.
Right. That's why you edited your statement because you realized I had never said any of that ish. 2.) If you honestly believe that, especially when Janet Jackson never showed that ability on her first two albums and now we're supposed to think that she was telling two prolific songwriters and producers how to create music.
Telling them? No, she was working with them. They are collaborators. Janet has been honest about her input from the beginning, and it isn't any secret. She told Spin that most of the instrumentals for the Control album were already finished when she started working with Jam & Lewis. She had input lyrics-wise, and with respect to vocal arrangements. 3.) It's funny how the songs sound like typical Jam and Lewis songs with the similar type of lyrical style, to boot. OK, we're supposed to believe that Jam and Lewis are order-takers for JJ only, while they historically directed the numerous other acts with whom they worked.
Well no one here said that, so.... 4.) Like I said, if she's proficient enough to give orders to two of the most prolific songwriter/production teams in the genre she's proficient enough to create music on her own. So why did she need them for this long? [/color]
It's illogical to suggest that because she offers some creative input on her albums, that she needs to be "proficient" enough to produce them as well. Anyone can come up with a melody line. | |
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VoicesCarry said: Right. That's why you edited your statement because you realized I had never said any of that ish.
Evidently, you don't read well because "you're" is still in my original post. AGAIN, English class: "'You're' is also plural." VoicesCarry said: It's illogical to suggest that because she offers some creative input on her albums, that she needs to be "proficient" enough to produce them as well. Anyone can come up with a melody line.
Janet Jackson gives no more creative input than most Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis acts, but there are zealots who have said on this Web site (and even in this thread) that she actually is doing more than that. Basically, directly writing and producing while dictating to Jam and Lewis what to do. Hence, if she was that proficient then she could produce her own work -- but she's not. Sounds like the same thing we're saying. THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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Najee said: DawnD said: But, so what? Artists have the right to work with whomever they choose! It isn't a crime!
Are you pissed because she's not in the studio alone!? You all do know that you don't have to listen to her work, don't you? If she's lacking creativity why even care to comment? If she's falling short in some instance of artistry, why bother? Like I said, trying to take things out of context and inventing your own arguments. History has shown that acts who develop their own songwriting and production proficiency to the point they don't need direction tend to start working on their own. That doesn't mean a Luther Vandross or Stevie Wonder won't work with a Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, but if Jam and Lewis said they didn't want to work with them those acts aren't going to sweat it. In other words, they don't NEED to work with Jam and Lewis to make music. These acts will write and/or produce albums by themselves Your argument is Janet Jackson is such as prolific songwriter and producer -- so where is your proof? All her music has been produced for years by Jam and Lewis, and it surely sounds like the music they have produced for others during the times those projects dropped. She surely wouldn't be running behind high-profile producers to make an album for her today. Surely if Jackson has developed enough skill that she is telling Jam and Lewis what to do (like you're suggesting) she would make an album by herself or primarily by herself. [Edited 10/11/07 7:53am] That is not my argument. I know what I mean even if it's going way over your head. So, what if she hasn't! How many artist in the world do. Is she held is such high reguard that you think she's the only one who should and other artist don't. As amazing as MJ is, he's never made an album completely alone. So, freakin' what! Are you saying that because she's been in the business as long as she has, she shouldn't require any help whatsoeve. She should be able to go into the studio and work completely alone because of who she's been associated with in terms of producers. No man is an island! Every single solitary artist has had some help in one way or another. Every single artist! I never said she wrote all her stuff all on her own. I said it was a team effort of Jam, Lewis and Janet. And, who's to say she's running behind high profile producers? There are countless producers who'd love to work with her and could've sought her out. It isn't impossible that it was the other way around. Just because you don't believe a certain thing doesn't mean it doesn't exists or isn't so. Believe what you will. Now, I understand. You're behave as if you're suppose to be an authority on someone's point of view, again because I don't agree with you. What if she doesn't want to write and produce by herself. Is that a crime to. Things are not how YOU think they should be. And, just because her situation isn't how you think it should be doesn't make it a bad thing, either. Let me tell you something, as demanding as you are and as critical as you are where is your proof. I never said she was such a prolific songwriter or producer. But, what's she's done I like. I truly enjoy what she's done. Who are you suppose to be? What's with the arrogance. Why don't you take it upon yourself since you're behaving like such an authority driven critic on someone's work to find out for yourself as to how much or how little she's contributed to her own shit and then and only then will you have and discover YOUR proof! | |
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Najee said: VoicesCarry said: Right. That's why you edited your statement because you realized I had never said any of that ish.
Evidently, you don't read well because "you're" is still in my original post. AGAIN, English class: "'You're' is also plural." You can drop the attitude. I was talking about the more important part of the post: "saying that Janet Jackson has enough skill and proficiency in songwriting and producing that she is telling Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis what to do", which was altered because I hadn't actually said that. Janet Jackson gives no more creative input than most Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis acts, but there are zealots who have said on this Web site (and even in this thread) that she actually is doing more than that. Basically, directly writing and producing while dictating to Jam and Lewis what to do.
Hence, if she was that proficient then she could produce her own work -- but she's not. Sounds like the same thing we're saying. That isn't true, because most Jam & Lewis acts are not involved in songwriting or producing whatsoever. They are presented with tracks, they sing them, and they walk out with a paycheque. Janet is still around for a reason. [Edited 10/11/07 8:51am] | |
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Najee said: VoicesCarry said: You don't have to be a musical genius to tell a producer what sound you want to hear on your own record. No one in here is claiming Janet is Stevie Wonder. Jeez.
No, what you're saying is that Janet Jackson has enough skill and proficiency in songwriting and producing that she is telling Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis what to do -- which she doesn't. She is not having such an active role in the creation process that she is coming up with the songs and Jam and Lewis are assisting her. If you read what I said, you would have seen where I said JJ gave the input you described. But some zealots want to misinterpret liner credits that she is the primary creator on the songs she made with Jam and Lewis. [Edited 10/11/07 8:33am] That's not what I was doing. That's how you took it. My name is Dawn not a zealot! I respect you enough to call you and refer to you as the name you have on the org. The crap you're doing due to your inability to handle folks not agreeing with you is quite childish. Can't you express yourself better than that! | |
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Najee said: VoicesCarry said: And where, exactly, did I say any of that? Oops, I didn't.
Janet goes into the studio with some lyrics, maybe a vague melody line she thought up, and a basic idea of what she wants the album to sound like. Then Jam & Lewis produce it. 1.) "You" is also plural -- at least it is in my part of the world. 2.) If you honestly believe that, especially when Janet Jackson never showed that ability on her first two albums and now we're supposed to think that she was telling two prolific songwriters and producers how to create music. 3.) It's funny how the songs sound like typical Jam and Lewis songs with the similar type of lyrical style, to boot. OK, we're supposed to believe that Jam and Lewis are order-takers for JJ only, while they historically directed the numerous other acts with whom they worked. 4.) Like I said, if she's proficient enough to give orders to two of the most prolific songwriter/production teams in the genre she's proficient enough to create music on her own. So why did she need them for this long? Janet didn't need Jam and Lewis. She wanted them. She could've worked with whomever she chose to work with. The thing is your needle is stuck on what you think her lack of ability is. | |
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Najee said: VoicesCarry said: I don't think anyone here belives Janet is capable of writing and producing an entire album by herself. No one claimed that in this thread, anyway. What they said is that she has creative input during the recording process. Nothing more, nothing less.
At least a couple of people have said that Janet Jackson was a proficient enough songwriter and producer to direct Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis on this thread. There also have been other threads on The Org where zealots also have said similar thoughts. I've said what you said and I have had to defend my words, so apparently something is lost in the translation here. In reality, JJ is no different than most artists in her situation working with most songwriters/producers in their situations. [Edited 10/11/07 8:23am] I certainly hope you are not referring to me, cause I never said that! Maybe in your need to dominate a threat that's to discuss an opinion on how someone said Control sound, you're getting ahead of yourself. | |
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VoicesCarry said: You can drop the attitude. I was talking about the more important part of the post: "saying that Janet Jackson has enough skill and proficiency in songwriting and producing that she is telling Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis what to do", which was altered because I hadn't actually said that.
There is no "everyone except you"-type of change in anything, save for adding "what" and "is" -- coordinating conjunctions. It's the same statement I posted. VoicesCarry said: That isn't true, because most Jam & Lewis acts are not involved in songwriting or producing whatsoever. They are presented with tracks, they sing them, and they walk out with a paycheque.
Outside of putting her name on credits, it certainly doesn't sound like Janet Jackson is involved enough to make a tangible difference in the output. A lot of the songs more or less sound like the same product Jam and Lewis produced for other artists at the time. [Edited 10/11/07 9:00am] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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Najee said: Bullshit, son. There is no "everyone except you"-type of change in anything, save for adding "what" and "is" -- coordinating conjunctions. It's the same statement I posted.
That's because the statement was re-edited at 8:33. But in my 8:28 post I clearly refer to a previous edit, in which you changed your statement entirely. When you quote someone on a message board and then use "you're" in the response, it's going to be interpreted that way. Next time, choose "others are" for disambiguation. VoicesCarry said: That isn't true, because most Jam & Lewis acts are not involved in songwriting or producing whatsoever. They are presented with tracks, they sing them, and they walk out with a paycheque.
It doesn't sound like Janet Jackson is involved enough to make a tangible difference in the output. The songs more or less the same product Jam and Lewis produce for other artists are the time.
 A matter of opinion. I certainly don't think so. I also don't think Janet is still around because she mindlessly does whatever Jimmy & Terry tell her to do, and has done so for the entirety of her career. Otherwise, a lot of people from the 80's would still be around.[Edited 10/11/07 9:04am] | |
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Najee said: No, what you're saying is that Janet Jackson has enough skill and proficiency in songwriting and producing that she is telling Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis what to do -- which she doesn't. She is not having such an active role in the creation process that she is coming up with the songs and Jam and Lewis are assisting her.
Najee said: No, you're saying that Janet Jackson has enough skill and proficiency in songwriting and producing that she is telling Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis what to do -- which she doesn't. She is not having such an active role in the creation process that she is coming up with the songs and Jam and Lewis are assisting her.
Son, that's the same quote I posted, save I edited to add "what" and "is" in the first sentence. Adding coordinating conjuctions didn't change anything in the interpretation. Save the bullshit drama and trying to give youself some bonus points. [Edited 10/11/07 9:07am] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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Pointless. [Edited 10/11/07 9:09am] | |
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VoicesCarry said: A matter of opinion. I certainly don't think so. I also don't think Janet is still around because she mindlessly does whatever Jimmy & Terry tell her to do, and has done so for the entirety of her career. Otherwise, a lot of people from the 80's would still be around.Janet Jackson's input in the creation of her sound would have some carryover elements no matter who produced and those elements would be missing noticeably from the other acts Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis. I also would say JJ is still around because of her track record and the enormous success she had in combination with working with Jam and Lewis. Her status is so entrenched that to the general public she is not seen as a puppet of their creation. [Edited 10/11/07 9:12am] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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VoicesCarry said: Pointless.
You got busted, and tried to call yourself pulling your card -- which was really a two of clubs. THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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Najee said: VoicesCarry said: Pointless.
You got busted, and tried to call yourself pulling your card -- which was really a two of clubs. I'm glad you feel you won an internet dispute. I know it will make your day.  | |
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Najee said: VoicesCarry said: A matter of opinion. I certainly don't think so. I also don't think Janet is still around because she mindlessly does whatever Jimmy & Terry tell her to do, and has done so for the entirety of her career. Otherwise, a lot of people from the 80's would still be around.Janet Jackson's input in the creation of her sound would have some carryover elements no matter who produced and those elements would be missing noticeably from the other acts Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis. I also would say JJ is still around because of her track record and the enormous success she had in combination with working with Jam and Lewis. Her status is so entrenched that to the general public she is not seen as a puppet of their creation. [Edited 10/11/07 9:12am] And why did she have that success, while others didn't? Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis? | |
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VoicesCarry said: And why did she have that success, while others didn't? Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis?
Clarify the "others." THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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Najee said: VoicesCarry said: And why did she have that success, while others didn't? Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis?
Clarify the "others." Others produced by Jimmy & Terry. | |
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VoicesCarry said: Najee said: Clarify the "others." Others produced by Jimmy & Terry. I take it you mean acts produced by Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis before Janet Jackson. Acts like Alexander O'Neal and Cherrelle were practically ground-floor acts and The S.O.S. Band was headed to one-hit-wonder status before being paired with Jam and Lewis. Jackson was actually more proven than those acts by the time "Control" came about. She already had four top 20 singles on the Billboard R&B Singles charts and had two top 20 albums on the Billboard R&B Albums charts. Not to mention that Jackson's family name and her own largely public presence over the previous eight years (family variety show, "Good Times," "Diff'rent Strokes") a more publicly known figure than the other J&L acts. Another consideration is it wasn't like The S.O.S. Band, Alexander O'Neal and Cherrelle had any potential for success as crossover acts. Those are acts you will never heard on a pop or white radio station or music TV channel. Some of the attributes JJ brought to the table could lead to crossover success, especially considering that pop radio was now becoming more accepting of playing black artists and the age of videos was coming into force. I never said JJ brought nothing to the table, but I'm not one of these extremists who actually look at her as being someone who has profound songwriting/production abilities. [Edited 10/11/07 15:46pm] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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Najee said: I never said JJ brought nothing to the table, but I'm not one of these extremists who actually look at her as being someone who has profound songwriting/prodcution abilities.[/color]
[Edited 10/11/07 9:38am] I guess we agree after all. But, as a Janet fan, I don't know any of the extremists you speak of. Most fans are pretty realistic about her talent (or, in your opinion, lack thereof). As is Janet herself. [Edited 10/11/07 9:43am] | |
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Najee said: And to alphastreet:
If you want to listen to electro funk soul, you're talking about songs that have some combination of European techno, the evolving synthesized sound in soul music and rap elements and beats. A few years before "Control," you did have soul songs that incoroporated those elements. Songs like Herbie Hancock's "Rockit," Chaka Khan's "I Feel for You" and Shannon's "Let the Music Play" are exemplary examples of such marriage. [Edited 10/11/07 7:10am] I know these songs already and have known them since I was young, thanks. Check out my top 10 electro songs thread in this forum too, as well as my other threads about knowing old school music from the 80's besides jackson stuff. And just so you know, though I am a janet fan, I don't kiss her behind, can be critical and know she has a team that does most of her work, so stop calling dawn and I zealots when you don't know shit about us. Listen to yourself! [Edited 10/11/07 11:11am] | |
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Najee said: VoicesCarry said: You don't have to be a musical genius to tell a producer what sound you want to hear on your own record. No one in here is claiming Janet is Stevie Wonder. Jeez.
No, what you're saying is that Janet Jackson has enough skill and proficiency in songwriting and producing that she is telling Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis what to do -- which she doesn't. She is not having such an active role in the creation process that she is coming up with the songs and Jam and Lewis are assisting her. If you read what I said, you would have seen where I said JJ gave the input you described. But some zealots want to misinterpret liner credits that she is the primary creator on the songs she made with Jam and Lewis. [Edited 10/11/07 8:33am] I have already explained to you that I was in a hurry typing this thread and just wrote janet without giving it much thought. Don't think I don't know most of control is jam & lewis, and so are half the songs on rhythm nation. Maybe YOU should learn how to read, instead of just skimming through people's posts, and coming to conclusions such as 'we are all zealots' grow up, 40 year old! [Edited 10/11/07 10:35am] | |
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