LOL! I was amazed that Eric gets recognized for all of his work and yet the only group I ever remember him really being SERIOUS with was Cream. He wasn't digging the Yardbirds enough to stay there and as far as Derek & the Dominoes, the late Duane Allman was the only reason that group really mattered and also it was Eric's side project. The only times Eric mattered to me was Cream and his solo career, that's about fucking it. So, no I don't he should've been in there four fucking times.

And compare that to Chicago, oh yes, that's fucking lame on their part to not induct them but induct Eric three times for being in bands, lol.
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Timmy84 said:

The even stranger thing, the late Terry Kath of Chicago, was viewed by many in his day as the best guitarist ever, and was someone who showed Hendrix alot of "tricks", so very strange that Chicago isnt in to this day, even you hate the 80's ballads, that 70's work is one of the best bands ever.

lastdecember said:

The even stranger thing, the late Terry Kath of Chicago, was viewed by many in his day as the best guitarist ever, and was someone who showed Hendrix alot of "tricks", so very strange that Chicago isnt in to this day, even you hate the 80's ballads, that 70's work is one of the best bands ever.

Well he's in their 4 times, and seriously he deserves it only for his solo work, the others, dont deserve it, sorry.

Well he's in their 4 times, and seriously he deserves it only for his solo work, the others, dont deserve it, sorry.

LOL! I was amazed that Eric gets recognized for all of his work and yet the only group I ever remember him really being SERIOUS with was Cream. He wasn't digging the Yardbirds enough to stay there and as far as Derek & the Dominoes, the late Duane Allman was the only reason that group really mattered and also it was Eric's side project. The only times Eric mattered to me was Cream and his solo career, that's about fucking it. So, no I don't he should've been in there four fucking times.

And compare that to Chicago, oh yes, that's fucking lame on their part to not induct them but induct Eric three times for being in bands, lol.
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lastdecember said:

Let me make sure I'm understanding the context here. Are Cream, The Yardbirds and Derek & the Dominoes equally inducted as separate acts in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame? Does that mean if I looked for, say, James Brown's entry these acts will be listed in the same manner as Brown's entry? Or are they inducted under Eric Clapton's name, as part of a grouping?

I personally do not feel there should be some senseless logic about punishing a group because it had a celebrated member who had an equally worthy career. However, I feel that each act should be judged individually. If Cream, The Yardbirds and Derek & The Dominoes are not worthy of induction on their own merits, then that's the main issue. I'm simply not going to punish them or Clapton just because he's been inducted individually.
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Najee said:

No they are all in as seperate inductions, which is crazy. There is a bias towards Clapton big time in rock music. The inductions of all these side groups of Claptons clearly show that bias, there are others that are well deserving that dont get in. And these bands are clearly in due to Claptons influence, none of them would even be considered if he wasnt in them. With maybe the exception of Cream, does anyone ever hear someone speak of Derek and The dominoes or the Yardbirds without mentioning Clapton? This would be like inducting the Coverdale/Page project just because Jimmy Page is in with Led Zeppelin.

lastdecember said:

Not even close to being the same thing.
The Yardbirds were Jeff Beck Jimmy Page Jim McCarty Eric Clapton Chris Dreja Keith Relf Paul Samwell-Smith Top Topham
Derek & Dominoes were Jim Gordon Duane Allman Eric Clapton Carl Radle Bobby Whitlock

Coverdale/Page was Jimmy Page Denny Carmassi Jorge Casas David Coverdale Lester Mendez Ricky Phillips.

Clapton goes from being associated with great rock guitarists in great bands and each one was also an innovator (Beck on his own plus other affiliations, Page with Zeppelin, Duane Allman with Allmans). Page/Coverdale was an obvious retro ripoff of Zep that spawned a shittty hair-band like Whitesnake (maybe I screwed up that chronolgy, but Whitsnake is not what those other bands are).

Historical perspective figures plenty into this. Those Clapton associations served up considerable inspiration for bands that followed in the wake of the British Invasion like Zep and, obviously, Coverdale/Page, Whitsnake).

Ironic that I find myself championing EC. He has considerable technical skill and in his purist plea for blues sounded a little forced, but I suggest his multiple placments are a legitimate view of his role in the history.
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Not even close to being the same thing.
The Yardbirds were Jeff Beck Jimmy Page Jim McCarty Eric Clapton Chris Dreja Keith Relf Paul Samwell-Smith Top Topham
Derek & Dominoes were Jim Gordon Duane Allman Eric Clapton Carl Radle Bobby Whitlock

Coverdale/Page was Jimmy Page Denny Carmassi Jorge Casas David Coverdale Lester Mendez Ricky Phillips.

Clapton goes from being associated with great rock guitarists in great bands and each one was also an innovator (Beck on his own plus other affiliations, Page with Zeppelin, Duane Allman with Allmans). Page/Coverdale was an obvious retro ripoff of Zep that spawned a shittty hair-band like Whitesnake (maybe I screwed up that chronolgy, but Whitsnake is not what those other bands are).

Historical perspective figures plenty into this. Those Clapton associations served up considerable inspiration for bands that followed in the wake of the British Invasion like Zep and, obviously, Coverdale/Page, Whitsnake).

I don't think it's because it's Clapton. I think it's a coincedence (sp?), Yardbirds were great, Derek n' Co. was awesome, Cream was awesome, etc, and I tihnk it's just by chance that he was in all those bands. If someone else was in any of those bands they'd still be in there.

PFunkjazz said:

It doesn't answer the question of whether these acts are hall of fame-worthy based on their track record; if their only claim is that a big-name person was counted as a member, they shouldn't be inducted. Tangible aspects (albums, sales, hit songs and/or memorable tracks) and subjective material (critical reviews, etc.) all have to be in line to make a reasonable conclusion this particular act should be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame.

It's not an issue of punishing or praising an act just because it had one notable person who was known outside that group's circle. Whether Eric Clapton was in these bands is immaterial; what is material is whether Cream, The Yardbirds and/or Derek & The Dominoes should be inducted solely on what they did. If not, it would make sense that those acts would be mentioned as footnotes under Clapton's name.
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Yada yada yada. The votes are in. Cream is in. Yardbirds are in and Clapton is in. If you're disgruntled you can avoid the hall next time you visit Cleveland.

Volitan said:

But wasn't Cream together only a little more than two years? Should an act that made three albums and dissolved in the midst of its popularity be consider a hall of fame act? It sounds not that much different than the circumstances surrounding The Time and Guy, and I wouldn't make a case for them being hall of fame-worthy despite their star power.

The Yardbirds only had a handful of hits and Eric Clapton left before the band's "For Your Love" became a hit in the United States. The Yardbirds are known for their famous members and only had a few hit songs. Derek and The Dominoes only recorded one album, correct? Can you honestly say that act should have a hall of fame entry?

On the same token, Prince only had one HIT album in terms of success, chart position and that's Purple Rain. But he's still in it. I think Clapton has accomplished more, influence-wise and chart wise than Prince has.

Volitan said:

You're out of your mind. "1999" was one of the most influential albums in 1980s soul music. Pretty much anything Prince made in the early 1980s defined soul music for the majority of the decade. Even after "Purple Rain," Prince did make albums like "Sign 'O' The Times" that were critically acclaimed. Influence isn't solely determined what the white audience deems important.

Cream was a popular act whose legacy is made more important by who was in the band. That's no similar than with The Time, save Cream did it with a white audience. You could make an argument for Cream based on influence, but their fleeting time together is what should have made them fall short for consideration into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame.
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PFunkjazz said:

No, I'm asking for a further explanation of their careers and this is a place for discussion. If you're here to throw a wet blanket and not offer any type of intelligent discourse, you always can find a thread that you can contribute something positive. Other than that, you're not contributing anything.
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Cream was a popular act whose legacy is made more important by who was in the band. That's no similar than with The Time, save Cream did it with a white audience. You could make an argument for Cream based on influence, but their fleeting time together is what should have made them fall short for consideration into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame.
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