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face it Vainandy...you only like music from the 70s and early 80s.You'll never like anything recorded in this generation and in a way,I can't blame you.I don't listen too much of today's music either. I like 'Deeper Still' though. | |
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face it Vainandy...you only like music from the 70s and early 80s.You'll never like anything recorded in this generation and in a way,I can't blame you.I don't listen too much of today's music either. I like 'Deeper Still' though. I also like house music from the early 90s. I think the last thing I liked that got regular airplay on current stations was Cher's "Believe" back in 1999. As for the midtempo shit hop influenced stuff that has dominated R&B for over 15 years, I hate that shit with a passion and it's just damned rediculous that the style won't change. I've never seen such dead asses in my life that absolutely refuse to get past midtempo. It's like a generation of old people listening to slow ass music only. That's why it makes me furious when an old schooler comes out making the same type shit that is being made today. These little dull ass motherfuckers have the entire radio for their dull shit. The old school artists need to make some good stuff for the people that want to jam that made them famous to begin with. Every time an old schooler sells out, I hope they lose their shirt on the album. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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We'll be getting more "new" music from Rick James in the future.On the last page of his book,there is an advertisement for the 'Deeper Still' album.It mentions that this is only the first compilation of the many songs that Rick recorded before his death.At an early stage,'Deeper Still ' was planned as a 2-CD set.These are some of the songs that were left off:
Just Got Played When Yo Body's Mine Freak Baby Sex Slave Brass Bed My Life Sail Away Try Love Again She Shall Be Free Stop! Before We Begin needless to say,I don't think you're gonna like these songs,either  [Edited 10/11/07 3:21am] | |
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vainandy said: mrpunkfunk said:
I do agree with you that Rick was capable of making a far superior album to Deeper Still, but his situation is different from Prince's. Prince has been making albums pretty much non-stop since '78, Rick had like a 10 year break. My point being, Prince still has a big audience and the freedom to do whatever musically, Rick was trying to re-build his fan base so we got Deeper Still which I still say is a solid album. If Rick were still here, I believe his next album would have been a real banger, but this time around he was trying to gain mainstream appeal. He even had new producers and songwriters on this album, something he never really did before. So if you want to call it a sellout album, go ahead, I can't stop you, but maybe you should give it another listen and you might recognize that it has some gems on it and is definitely worth listening to. I certainly can't argue that Prince has a large enough fan base to do as he pleases and get away with it. Drastic albums like "The Truth" and "Karmasutra" would have killed off any other R&B star's fans but Prince's fans just keep sticking with him. I guess because they are used to disappointments in the past and when you have as diverse fan base as Prince, particular groups of fans are going to be pissed with every album because he has explored too many genres.
And you have an unhealthy hatred for HIP-HOP music, some people get that confused with rap, I think you're one of them, but they are very different.
I know the difference in rap and hip hop. Rap can be done over anything, including funk, which it was in the early days. Rap was very funky back then. Hip hop is a sound. It doesn't have to have a rap over it. It is the sound, the fashion, and the attitude behind either the rap or the singing. Since the 1990s, hip hop's sound has become slowed down, stripped down, and extremely cheap sounding and talentless. It went from being hip hop to shit hop. Since it is so cheap and dominates every single bit of R&B these days and has for the last 15 or so years, I am very justified in my hatred for it. An R&B style change has been long overdue for the last 15 years and it will never come as long as something as cheap as shit hop is around. And a change certainly won't come when talented people like Rick James, Cameo, The Barkays, and yes, even Prince sell out to it. Shit hop is the enemy for any real music lover and especially a funk lover. It is evil and must be destroyed.
. . . [Edited 10/10/07 20:00pm] Well I guess we do have some common ground, and I cant argue with the fact that like 90% (low ball estimate) of "Hip-Hop" that is released today is pure garbage, but a lot of it has to do with record companies trying to make a dime. they actively sign and record "artists" to make one album with a catchy single with a catchy beat, and then you never hear from them again. Its like a revolving door. But to get back to the topic (because I H8 when forum discussions get really far off of topic) I don't think he sold out, now if he went and got a bunch of features like Lil' Kim, 50 Cent, Lil' Wayne, etc. then I would DEFINITELY say he sold out. and I am stoked about the unreleased material as well SoulAlive, I just hope my kids don't have kids before it is released. Lady Cab Driver is one of the greatest songs ever! | |
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Harlepolis said: Najee said: The thing is that most of Teena Marie's first five albums' material sound so much like Rick James' staple sound that it wouldn't be surprising that Slick Rick did some ghostwriting. Songs like "Lovergirl," "I Need Your Lovin'" and "Square Biz" sound like something the King of Punk Funk would write. The puzzle is already solved! He said that he wrote/produced the whole "It Must Be Magic" album in the book  Firstly, I would like to say that this is one of the best fansites on the Net. I love the setup and I have enjoyed reading some of the discussions. All of you are very knowledgeable. However, I read something in this particular post that isn't true. I know some of you have read Rick James' book, and have taken everthing written to be the truth apparently. Rick's book is an interesting look into his life, but it's also a good example of you can't always believe what you read.Do your research and you'll see what I mean...I've heard from a few singers and musicians who have worked closely with Rick in the studio and on the road and they all had a great amount of respect and love for him and they still do to this day, but the truth is that Rick didn't like to pay people and he wouldn't give them their credit for the work they did on his albums. However, Rick did make amends with a few people for his wrongdoings in the past before he died.It's just unfortunate that their stories of how things were will only be heard by a few. This isn't the case for Teena Marie because she's more in the public eye still than they are. Teena said it's a fallacy that Rick James wrote and produced all her albums. He only wrote and produced "Wild and Peaceful"; she wrote and produced all her albums after that except for "Lady T" which was co-produced with Richard Rudolph ( for those of you who don't know he's the husband of the late Minnie Riperton and the father of Maya Rudolph from Saturday Night Live). Also in Rick's book he claimed that Teena was inspired to write "Portuguese Love" after their first time together on the 1981 tour. This isn't true either because Teena said that "Portuguese Love" was written about a Cape Verdean man she was in love with at the time. She said that "Casanova Brown" was written about Rick, but "Portuguese Love" wasn't. If Rick James' claim were true how could "Portuguese Love" be on an album released before she went on that 1981 tour. Also, she wasn't speaking to him on that tour. They were fighting every night; even on stage. Teena said that tour was a nightmare for her. A lot of other things in his book are questionable, too, but I'm not going to get into it. PS. I would be shocked if I didn't hear Rick James' sound in Teena's music; he was her teacher. It actually caused a problem for Rick when he started to see that Teena was as talented as he was. I hear a lot of influences in Teena's music like her idol Smokey Robinson; you can hear his sound in her music. She loved Marvin Gaye and you can hear Marvin's sound on her tribute to him, "My Dear Mr. Gaye". IMO it was one of the best tributes for him. Teena likes Prince and she have said that she was listening to a lot of Prince when she wrote "Lovergirl", just to name a few. When "Lovergirl" dropped I was one of those people who hoped Teena would do something with Prince...SHHH | |
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vainandy said: Yeah, right. The entire "Deeper Still" album makes "The Flag" seem like a masterpiece. The flag was a masterpiece.
Seriously though i didn't think it was as bad as most people think. I liked most of the songs on it. I especially like R U experienced and slow and easy and of course sweet and sexy thang. Don't laugh at my funk
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Abdul said: Cinnie said: Honestly, I still have a lot of his music to explore.
I don't think I could name his LPs in order of release. This is Rick's albums and his side preojects Cinnie: The Great White Cane (1974) Get Up And Dance 12" Single (1976) Come Get It!(1978) Bustin Out Of L-Seven(1979) Fire It Up(1979) Wild And Peaceful - Teena Marie(1979) Garden Of Love (1980) In-N-Out - Stone City Band album (1980) Lady T - Teena Marie (1980) Irons In The Fire - Teena Marie (1980) Street Songs(1981) The Boys Are Back - Stone City Band (1981) It Must Be Magic - Teena Marie (1981) Throwin' Down(1982) Coldblooded(1983) Mary Jane Girls(1983) Out From The Shadows - Stone City Band (1983) Reflections(1984) Glow(1985) Party All The Time 12" - Eddie Murphy (1985) Only For You - Mary Jane Girls (1985) Too Sharp - Process And The Doo Rags (1985) Seduction - Val Young (1985) The Flag(1986) Private Conversation - Val Young (1987) ???? - Process And The Doo Rags (1987) - I forgot the name of the album lol Wonderful(1988) Kickin(1991) Urban Rhapsody(1997)I'm sure I missed something, I know my other "PUNK FUNKER'S" will fill in the blanks! You forgot the Mynah Birds, they released a 1966 single entitled "It’s My Time." PRINCE: Always and Forever
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Suri said: Harlepolis said: The puzzle is already solved! He said that he wrote/produced the whole "It Must Be Magic" album in the book Firstly, I would like to say that this is one of the best fansites on the Net. I love the setup and I have enjoyed reading some of the discussions. All of you are very knowledgeable. However, I read something in this particular post that isn't true. I know some of you have read Rick James' book, and have taken everthing written to be the truth apparently. Rick's book is an interesting look into his life, but it's also a good example of you can't always believe what you read.Do your research and you'll see what I mean...I've heard from a few singers and musicians who have worked closely with Rick in the studio and on the road and they all had a great amount of respect and love for him and they still do to this day, but the truth is that Rick didn't like to pay people and he wouldn't give them their credit for the work they did on his albums. However, Rick did make amends with a few people for his wrongdoings in the past before he died.It's just unfortunate that their stories of how things were will only be heard by a few. This isn't the case for Teena Marie because she's more in the public eye still than they are. Teena said it's a fallacy that Rick James wrote and produced all her albums. He only wrote and produced "Wild and Peaceful"; she wrote and produced all her albums after that except for "Lady T" which was co-produced with Richard Rudolph ( for those of you who don't know he's the husband of the late Minnie Riperton and the father of Maya Rudolph from Saturday Night Live). Also in Rick's book he claimed that Teena was inspired to write "Portuguese Love" after their first time together on the 1981 tour. This isn't true either because Teena said that "Portuguese Love" was written about a Cape Verdean man she was in love with at the time. She said that "Casanova Brown" was written about Rick, but "Portuguese Love" wasn't. If Rick James' claim were true how could "Portuguese Love" be on an album released before she went on that 1981 tour. Also, she wasn't speaking to him on that tour. They were fighting every night; even on stage. Teena said that tour was a nightmare for her. A lot of other things in his book are questionable, too, but I'm not going to get into it. PS. I would be shocked if I didn't hear Rick James' sound in Teena's music; he was her teacher. It actually caused a problem for Rick when he started to see that Teena was as talented as he was. I hear a lot of influences in Teena's music like her idol Smokey Robinson; you can hear his sound in her music. She loved Marvin Gaye and you can hear Marvin's sound on her tribute to him, "My Dear Mr. Gaye". IMO it was one of the best tributes for him. Teena likes Prince and she have said that she was listening to a lot of Prince when she wrote "Lovergirl", just to name a few. When "Lovergirl" dropped I was one of those people who hoped Teena would do something with Prince...SHHH Thanks for the info.I didn't believe that Rick produced any of Teena's albums except for 'Wild and Peaceful'.I know that some of his comments in the book tend to stretch the truth a little bit. | |
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phunkdaddy said: The flag was a masterpiece.
Seriously though i didn't think it was as bad as most people think. I liked most of the songs on it. I especially like R U experienced and slow and easy and of course sweet and sexy thang.  'The Flag' is a horrible album. | |
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SoulAlive said: phunkdaddy said: The flag was a masterpiece.
Seriously though i didn't think it was as bad as most people think. I liked most of the songs on it. I especially like R U experienced and slow and easy and of course sweet and sexy thang. 'The Flag' is a horrible album.The flag isn't a horrible album. Granted its not his best album, but I listen to it from time to time. It has a lot of good songs on it. But I like "Free To Be Me" it just sums up who he was and how stubborn he was. I love that album, Wonderful to me is his worst album, but even that has some decent songs on it; and speaking of the book, I found it funny that he said Wonderful was going to be a gospel album at first, because he had just gotten clean and started to turn his life over to God again, but when Benny Medina heard it, he hated the gospel approach, so Rick changed it and relapsed. Damn you Benny Medina.... Lady Cab Driver is one of the greatest songs ever! | |
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mrpunkfunk said: SoulAlive said: 'The Flag' is a horrible album.The flag isn't a horrible album. Granted its not his best album, but I listen to it from time to time. It has a lot of good songs on it. But I like "Free To Be Me" it just sums up who he was and how stubborn he was. I love that album, Wonderful to me is his worst album, but even that has some decent songs on it; and speaking of the book, I found it funny that he said Wonderful was going to be a gospel album at first, because he had just gotten clean and started to turn his life over to God again, but when Benny Medina heard it, he hated the gospel approach, so Rick changed it and relapsed. Damn you Benny Medina.... I agree with you. The flag had some decent tunes on it. As far as wonderful goes, with the exception of the title track and judy, i would have thrown that shit away. Wonderful was definitely his worst lp. Don't laugh at my funk
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SoulAlive said: phunkdaddy said: The flag was a masterpiece.
Seriously though i didn't think it was as bad as most people think. I liked most of the songs on it. I especially like R U experienced and slow and easy and of course sweet and sexy thang. 'The Flag' is a horrible album.Not as horrible as 'Wonderful'  It is not known why FuNkeNsteiN capitalizes his name as he does, though some speculate sunlight deficiency caused by the most pimpified white guy afro in Nordic history.
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