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Reply #30 posted 10/06/07 2:47pm

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Is that damn book in the store yet? Dammitt, it's October.
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Reply #31 posted 10/06/07 2:54pm

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I'm a fan. Now he's an artist I would compare to Prince.
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Reply #32 posted 10/06/07 2:57pm

Harlepolis

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i dont like him that much

boxed


I don't like the motherfucker either,,,,but I'm a sucka for his music music
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Reply #33 posted 10/06/07 3:14pm

Harlepolis

vainandy said:

Is that damn book in the store yet? Dammitt, it's October.


Get yo snooty ass to amazon or somewhere else and buy the damn thing from the net just like the rest of us lol

On the real, Andy. This book has all the signs of getting out of stock soon,,,,,don't be one of the "I shoulda, coulda woulda" crowd, I'm telling you
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Reply #34 posted 10/06/07 5:26pm

murph

Rick is the homie...He's more talented than some folks realize...
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Reply #35 posted 10/06/07 5:42pm

Najee

I only have one thing to say about The King of Punk Funk: That motherfucker used to THROW DOWN!
THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS!
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Reply #36 posted 10/06/07 11:09pm

Abdul

vainandy said:




I've never heard of the "Get Up And Dance" 12 Inch from 1976. Was that one released under Rick's name?
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I'm not sure if it is under his name Vain, my former next door neighbor had a copy of this song on a RJ compilation someone put together for her, that's the only reason I heard the song. I believe it was the first song he used some of the SCB musician's on, it's musically a preview to what was to come two years later when he signed with Motown.
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Reply #37 posted 10/06/07 11:11pm

Abdul

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You forgot 'Deeper Still'



I knew I forgot something, LOL!!!
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Reply #38 posted 10/08/07 6:51am

SoulAlive

Harlepolis said:

vainandy said:

Is that damn book in the store yet? Dammitt, it's October.


Get yo snooty ass to amazon or somewhere else and buy the damn thing from the net just like the rest of us lol

On the real, Andy. This book has all the signs of getting out of stock soon,,,,,don't be one of the "I shoulda, coulda woulda" crowd, I'm telling you



Yeah! lol Go to Amazon and order a copy.They will ship it to you really fast...I got mine only a few days after I ordered it.
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Reply #39 posted 10/08/07 9:55am

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A huge fan these days. I shunned away from his material when I was younger because of the rape / violence against women / whatever -factor, but it doesn't really make the music any worse. I will admit to having listened to Rick more than any artist during the last 12 months or so.

Been listening to even The Flag and Wonderful lately. boxed

Need them on vinyl though.
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Reply #40 posted 10/08/07 11:50am

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vainandy said:

Is that damn book in the store yet? Dammitt, it's October.

That's funny. I read this book over a month ago from my local library. Check your library out and maybe they have a copy for you.
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Reply #41 posted 10/08/07 11:55am

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thumbs up!
If you will, so will I
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Reply #42 posted 10/08/07 12:18pm

banks

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I love Rick James
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Reply #43 posted 10/08/07 12:26pm

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Abdul said:

Cinnie said:

Honestly, I still have a lot of his music to explore.

I don't think I could name his LPs in order of release.



This is Rick's albums and his side preojects Cinnie:

The Great White Cane (1974)
Get Up And Dance 12" Single (1976)
Come Get It!(1978)
Bustin Out Of L-Seven(1979)
Fire It Up(1979)
Wild And Peaceful - Teena Marie(1979)
Garden Of Love (1980)
In-N-Out - Stone City Band album (1980)
Lady T - Teena Marie (1980)
Irons In The Fire - Teena Marie (1980)
Street Songs(1981)
The Boys Are Back - Stone City Band (1981)
It Must Be Magic - Teena Marie (1981)
Throwin' Down(1982)
Coldblooded(1983)
Mary Jane Girls(1983)
Out From The Shadows - Stone City Band (1983)
Reflections(1984)
Glow(1985)
Party All The Time 12" - Eddie Murphy (1985)
Only For You - Mary Jane Girls (1985)
Too Sharp - Process And The Doo Rags (1985)
Seduction - Val Young (1985)
The Flag(1986)
Private Conversation - Val Young (1987)
???? - Process And The Doo Rags (1987) - I forgot the name of the album lol
Wonderful(1988)
Kickin(1991)
Urban Rhapsody(1997)
I'm sure I missed something, I know my other "PUNK FUNKER'S" will fill in the blanks!



Actually the only album Rick Produced for Teena is
Wild And Peaceful - Teena Marie(1979)

Teena produced these 2 herself
Lady T - Teena Marie (1980)
It Must Be Magic - Teena Marie (1981)
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Reply #44 posted 10/08/07 7:33pm

Cinnie

Abdul, that list was still pretty awesome. thumbs up!
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Reply #45 posted 10/08/07 7:50pm

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alexnvrmnd777 said:

vainandy said:

Is that damn book in the store yet? Dammitt, it's October.

That's funny. I read this book over a month ago from my local library. Check your library out and maybe they have a copy for you.


The library? I never would have thought of the library. lol
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Reply #46 posted 10/08/07 9:15pm

Abdul

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Abdul said:






Actually the only album Rick Produced for Teena is
Wild And Peaceful - Teena Marie(1979)

Teena produced these 2 herself
Lady T - Teena Marie (1980)
It Must Be Magic - Teena Marie (1981)



I'm convinced RJ helped her out big time with those other two Motown albums Banks, that's why I wrote them. They got that PUNK FUNK sound
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Reply #47 posted 10/08/07 9:16pm

Abdul

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Abdul, that list was still pretty awesome. thumbs up!



Thanks, I'm a big RJ fan
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Reply #48 posted 10/08/07 9:26pm

Najee

banks said:

Actually the only album Rick Produced for Teena is
Wild And Peaceful - Teena Marie(1979)

Teena produced these 2 herself
Lady T - Teena Marie (1980)
It Must Be Magic - Teena Marie (1981)


The thing is that most of Teena Marie's first five albums' material sound so much like Rick James' staple sound that it wouldn't be surprising that Slick Rick did some ghostwriting. Songs like "Lovergirl," "I Need Your Lovin'" and "Square Biz" sound like something the King of Punk Funk would write.
THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS!
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Reply #49 posted 10/08/07 9:44pm

Harlepolis

Najee said:

banks said:

Actually the only album Rick Produced for Teena is
Wild And Peaceful - Teena Marie(1979)

Teena produced these 2 herself
Lady T - Teena Marie (1980)
It Must Be Magic - Teena Marie (1981)


The thing is that most of Teena Marie's first five albums' material sound so much like Rick James' staple sound that it wouldn't be surprising that Slick Rick did some ghostwriting. Songs like "Lovergirl," "I Need Your Lovin'" and "Square Biz" sound like something the King of Punk Funk would write.


The puzzle is already solved! He said that he wrote/produced the whole "It Must Be Magic" album in the book nod
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Reply #50 posted 10/08/07 9:48pm

Najee

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The puzzle is already solved! He said that he wrote/produced the whole "It Must Be Magic" album in the book nod


I also would say Rick James had more than a hand in the "Robbery" and "Starchild" albums for Teena Marie, because they also have that stock Stone City Band sound.
THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS!
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Reply #51 posted 10/08/07 9:54pm

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novabrkr said:

A huge fan these days. I shunned away from his material when I was younger because of the rape / violence against women / whatever -factor, but it doesn't really make the music any worse. I will admit to having listened to Rick more than any artist during the last 12 months or so.

Been listening to even The Flag and Wonderful lately. boxed

Need them on vinyl though.

Hey now, that ain't right lol
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Reply #52 posted 10/09/07 12:05am

SoulAlive

FuNkeNsteiN said:

SoulAlive said:



You're right,he didn't say that,but he did give the impression that it was a throwaway album that he didn't think much of.I gotta pick up the book and read that part again wink

I gotta go look up that part again too


Here it is lol

After the Fire It Up tour wrapped,I began work on my next album.Motown and I were having our differences,mostly about money.I was pissed off and frustrated,which was not a good state to make an album.'Garden Of Love',my fourth album,was really laid back,with mostly slow,summer tunes on it....it had only six songs on it.I usually put eight or nine on my albums-never six.This time,because I was angry with Motown,I only put on six.'Garden Of Love' barely went gold and I had to cancel the tour I'd planned for it.

hmmm it seems that his heart and soul really wasn't into that album.I think he was intentionally holding back.The album isn't among his best work.
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Reply #53 posted 10/09/07 11:46am

Cinnie

FuNkeNsteiN said:

novabrkr said:

A huge fan these days. I shunned away from his material when I was younger because of the rape / violence against women / whatever -factor, but it doesn't really make the music any worse. I will admit to having listened to Rick more than any artist during the last 12 months or so.

Been listening to even The Flag and Wonderful lately. boxed

Need them on vinyl though.

Hey now, that ain't right lol


Sommmin' WRONG wit that boy lol
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Reply #54 posted 10/10/07 7:33am

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vainandy said:

FuNkeNsteiN said:

You forgot 'Deeper Still'


That was probably intentional. I know I'd like to forget that one. lol

You guys are too much, if it were up to you guys Rick would never have an opportunity to flex his creative muscles. All you guys want is more of that early RJ funk. He had the right to branch off and try new music, I liked Deeper
Still, I thought it was a solid album,

Timmy84 said:

After hearing the songs "Deeper Still" and "Taste", I would wanna forget I heard them too.[/quote]


Taste? How can you not like Taste? That song was an autobiography, it was very well written and IMO is a classic song.

vainandy said:



The entire album is like that. You could take any song from that album, play it on today's radio, and it would fit in perfectly with everything else on the radio today.

The new tracks on the "Bustin' Out" greatest hits collection and the United We Funk album were sellout songs also but I thought Rick had gotten past that since he gave Prince a compliment back in 2004 for continuing to make funk when no one else was. I guess he must have been desperate for money when he made "Deeper Still" since he had smoked a lot of his money up, was auctioning off his old clothes, and was living in an average apartment at the time of his death.


And yes, maybe he was broke, but some of your favorite artists couldn't hold a candle up to Deeper Still, hell, even Prince doesn't sound the same as he did in the 80's, so why should Rick. I thought the album kind of touched on his folk roots a little; and still had some decent funk tracks on it... i.e 'Not Alone' and 'Funk Wit Me'. You guys need to wake up and recognize real.
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Reply #55 posted 10/10/07 9:18am

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And yes, maybe he was broke, but some of your favorite artists couldn't hold a candle up to Deeper Still, hell, even Prince doesn't sound the same as he did in the 80's, so why should Rick.


No, Prince doesn't sound the same as he did in the 1980s but he doesn't sound like these other artists of today either (well, except on a few sellout songs such as "Incense and Candles"). For the most part, Prince makes funk and rock that sounds nothing like today's artists who are making full albums of nothing but slow to midtempo music or shit hop influenced music. Prince speeds up the tempo and throws down, maybe not like he used to, but he still gets off.

If Rick wanted to branch out, that's fine. He could have done some rock or something completely different. I'd rather see him make polka music than to make something that sounds like and fits in with these no talent, no instrument playing, never getting past midtempo, shit hop influenced, dead, dull ass artists of today. I'd rather have a full album of sounds of Rick farting or sounds of his turd hitting the toilet water than to have anything that even slighly resembles today's music. Rick is above this dull shit that is being made today. That album was a complete sellout move on his part in an attempt to make big sales. And what pisses me off even more, is when an old school artist doesn't try to beat these motherfuckers today, but they turn around and join them. If everyone does that shit, then the style of music today will never change. Prince has done it too but only on particular songs. Rick made a full sellout album.


and still had some decent funk tracks on it... i.e 'Not Alone' and 'Funk Wit Me'. You guys need to wake up and recognize real.


I didn't hear any funk on that album whatsoever. I heard some songs that could have been shit hop influenced that so many people get confused with funk. There is nothing funky about shit hop whatsoever.
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Reply #56 posted 10/10/07 7:20pm

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vainandy said:

mrpunkfunk said:

And yes, maybe he was broke, but some of your favorite artists couldn't hold a candle up to Deeper Still, hell, even Prince doesn't sound the same as he did in the 80's, so why should Rick.


No, Prince doesn't sound the same as he did in the 1980s but he doesn't sound like these other artists of today either (well, except on a few sellout songs such as "Incense and Candles"). For the most part, Prince makes funk and rock that sounds nothing like today's artists who are making full albums of nothing but slow to midtempo music or shit hop influenced music. Prince speeds up the tempo and throws down, maybe not like he used to, but he still gets off.

If Rick wanted to branch out, that's fine. He could have done some rock or something completely different. I'd rather see him make polka music than to make something that sounds like and fits in with these no talent, no instrument playing, never getting past midtempo, shit hop influenced, dead, dull ass artists of today. I'd rather have a full album of sounds of Rick farting or sounds of his turd hitting the toilet water than to have anything that even slighly resembles today's music. Rick is above this dull shit that is being made today. That album was a complete sellout move on his part in an attempt to make big sales. And what pisses me off even more, is when an old school artist doesn't try to beat these motherfuckers today, but they turn around and join them. If everyone does that shit, then the style of music today will never change. Prince has done it too but only on particular songs. Rick made a full sellout album.


and still had some decent funk tracks on it... i.e 'Not Alone' and 'Funk Wit Me'. You guys need to wake up and recognize real.


I didn't hear any funk on that album whatsoever. I heard some songs that could have been shit hop influenced that so many people get confused with funk. There is nothing funky about shit hop whatsoever.
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I do agree with you that Rick was capable of making a far superior album to Deeper Still, but his situation is different from Prince's. Prince has been making albums pretty much non-stop since '78, Rick had like a 10 year break. My point being, Prince still has a big audience and the freedom to do whatever musically, Rick was trying to re-build his fan base so we got Deeper Still which I still say is a solid album. If Rick were still here, I believe his next album would have been a real banger, but this time around he was trying to gain mainstream appeal. He even had new producers and songwriters on this album, something he never really did before. So if you want to call it a sellout album, go ahead, I can't stop you, but maybe you should give it another listen and you might recognize that it has some gems on it and is definitely worth listening to. And you have an unhealthy hatred for HIP-HOP music, some people get that confused with rap, I think you're one of them, but they are very different.
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Reply #57 posted 10/10/07 7:58pm

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I do agree with you that Rick was capable of making a far superior album to Deeper Still, but his situation is different from Prince's. Prince has been making albums pretty much non-stop since '78, Rick had like a 10 year break. My point being, Prince still has a big audience and the freedom to do whatever musically, Rick was trying to re-build his fan base so we got Deeper Still which I still say is a solid album. If Rick were still here, I believe his next album would have been a real banger, but this time around he was trying to gain mainstream appeal. He even had new producers and songwriters on this album, something he never really did before. So if you want to call it a sellout album, go ahead, I can't stop you, but maybe you should give it another listen and you might recognize that it has some gems on it and is definitely worth listening to.


I certainly can't argue that Prince has a large enough fan base to do as he pleases and get away with it. Drastic albums like "The Truth" and "Karmasutra" would have killed off any other R&B star's fans but Prince's fans just keep sticking with him. I guess because they are used to disappointments in the past and when you have as diverse fan base as Prince, particular groups of fans are going to be pissed with every album because he has explored too many genres. lol

And you have an unhealthy hatred for HIP-HOP music, some people get that confused with rap, I think you're one of them, but they are very different.


I know the difference in rap and hip hop. Rap can be done over anything, including funk, which it was in the early days. Rap was very funky back then. Hip hop is a sound. It doesn't have to have a rap over it. It is the sound, the fashion, and the attitude behind either the rap or the singing. Since the 1990s, hip hop's sound has become slowed down, stripped down, and extremely cheap sounding and talentless. It went from being hip hop to shit hop.

Since it is so cheap and dominates every single bit of R&B these days and has for the last 15 or so years, I am very justified in my hatred for it. An R&B style change has been long overdue for the last 15 years and it will never come as long as something as cheap as shit hop is around. And a change certainly won't come when talented people like Rick James, Cameo, The Barkays, and yes, even Prince sell out to it. Shit hop is the enemy for any real music lover and especially a funk lover. It is evil and must be destroyed. lol
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Reply #58 posted 10/11/07 12:49am

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I actually like 'Deeper Still'.I don't think it's quite the disaster that some people say it is.The title track is a decent midtempo jam...."Sapphire" is a delightfully soulful gem (sorta like an updated "Ebony Eyes")...and I really like "Secret".


It's not a masterpiece or anything,but it's listenable.
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Reply #59 posted 10/11/07 2:30am

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The title track is a decent midtempo jam....


Uptempo jams are good for the dance floor. Slow jams are good for the bedroom. Midtempo songs are good for nothing.

"Sapphire" is a delightfully soulful gem (sorta like an updated "Ebony Eyes")


That's the problem. The entire album sounds "updated" or, in other words, up to date with the present. Either make something that sounds like the past or create a new sound from the future. But don't make anything that sounds like the present because the present sounds horrible.
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