I have a question for those who are more familiar with this album.

Was one of her purposes in creating this album to reflect the importance of gay culture in her music and performance? In particular, can someone explain to me the music video for "Deeper and Deeper"?

Thank you!

Honestly I don't know the answers to your questions but I just want to say that to my ears EROTICA is STILL the best Madonna album ever.

In some ways, yes. Just listen to the words to Why's It So Hard.

Erotica was her doing her pop sound with the NY Underground. She wanted to do an album of sexuality but the cold nonromantic part of it.

Deeper and Deeper is an homage to old Andy Warhol films.

ehuffnsd said:

Thank you!

That explains why songs like "Bad Girl" and "Deeper and Deeper" have no warmth.

Do you know what the balloons stand for in the music video for "Deeper and Deeper"?

Rodya24 said:

I'll have to check the video again it's not one of my favorite videos. I prefer Bad Girl and Rain from that era.

http://www.youtube.com/wa...Dyp-oUCqCk

just from the intro, which i forgot there was one, i'd say it's innocence lost. like the harliquin in the Girlie Show. Except in the Girlie Show we learn at the end that innocence is never lost just forgotten.

For me the Erotica is the peak of Madonna's brilliance. After that she went downhill and became a piece of shit!

Someone should burn that hag

After Vogue she did Justify My Love and it shocked people. She wasnt at all innocent or anything in the beginning but that was when she really "pushed it".

When Erotica came out (along with Sex Book) it was all about the art of dark sexuality. Something that NO ONE..especially a top bill female artist had covered. Yet in still by 1993 (3 years after Justify My Love), people were turned off by Madonna being the 'nasty sex queen'. The album itself was kind of a journey in2 underground hip hop beats....over spoken word, acid jazz, and some moody slow numbers...this was the break-in sound for Madonna to capture on the Bedtime Stories album.

here is the youtube interview about that era. She seemed...not all there..or even happy at that time....
http://youtube.com/watch?v=duNSaHJsgck

paisleypark4 said:

She has stated in interviews from Ray of Light on that she was very angry at that time and didn't care who or what she pissed off. However, she says she doesn't regret it and won't appologize for it.

I think almost every interview in the past couple years has had the interviewer asking her if she regrets Sex/Erotica and it's always the same answer.

I’m glad she doesn’t apologize for any of it.

JackieBlue said:

it irrates me to know end to see people always asking her if she regrets it and wants to appologize for it. Almost like the media wants to show her how wrong she's been in life about the role of women and sex in society.

ehuffnsd said:

I don't understand why should she regret it. Looking at the book now that I'm much older I found it incredibly brave and I never understood the 'fear' over Justify My Love.

I hate when people apologize for their art. If it offends you then it's not for you.

JackieBlue said:

I'll agree that the book is a bit cold, but i think it was intended to be that way. However there were many images a head of their times. and with the hysteria about AIDS at the time there she is running around with Joey Steffano.

ehuffnsd said:

She shouldnt ever apologize...that makes her who she is. You either love Madonna or hate Madonna. That's why she can sell out stadiums with ticket prices going from $100 - $500 a pop. All that helped her career 2 me. It was the dark era, and it was beautiful watching her open all the way from 1990 - 1996 when Ray Of Light came out.....like seeing a new woman.

MikeMatronik said:

Hey Rodya i highly recommend you checking out the Girlie Show.

it's my favorite concert of hers.

ehuffnsd said:

If he's gay he'll love it. Otherwise he'll see it for the pointless nonsense it is.

'Erotica' is my favorite Madonna album.I like the fact the music is dark and moody throughout...it's not exactly a "bright" dance album.This album is also very "New York",which was intentional.At this point,she was tired of the slick,L.A. studio pop sound.

"Words" is an underrated gem.

I miss ballsy Madonna. That kick-ass bitch that made your jaw drop.

CandaceS said:

It's just an act.He's just trying to prove that he's not a Madonna fanatic,but we all know the truth

The "Erotica" and "Vogue" eras are definately Madonna at her best. She had the gay house music going on and she was just as wild, outrageous, and offensive as we are. That's when she was a bad bitch and didn't give a damn. She should return to that era.

vainandy said:

Now she is boring and tries her best to be the female Bono.

ehuffnsd said:

I will check it out! Thank you for the recommendation.

Rodya24 said:

Oh come on guys...she's almost 50! There's no way she could go around behaving like she did in 1992.Do we really wanna see a 49-year old,married mother of three,talking about masturbating and S&M?!

SoulAlive said:

YES!

I didn't care for her "Confessions On A Dance Floor" album. When I heard it was going to be a modern disco type album, I was thinking she was going back to the house music like she did during the "Vogue" and "Erotica" days. Instead, it was an acid, techno, trance type album. When house music started getting all trance sounding, that's when I stopped listening to it.

In the 1990s, we had a black gay club on one side of the street and a white gay club directly accross the street. The black gay club's house music was funky type house music like Black Box, Cee Cee Penniston, etc. The white gay club's house music was more European sounding and they played acts like Depeche Mode. They also played a lot of house music but it didn't sound like the black house music. It was actually too fast to dance to and all people could do on the dance floor was hop around like rabbits. Madonna's "Confessions" album had that same vibe of the white gay club's house music.

Now, all the older black gay people go to the white gay club because the black club plays nothing but shit hop. I can tolerate the trance but I'm not going to stay five minutes in a room with shit hop, let alone pay an admission price to help support it.

A lot of gay people live their entire lives being whores. She could do it and get away with it. Divorce the husband, give him custody of the child, and return to being a slut.

No, when I said return to those days, I meant return to making that type of music.

forkupine said:

I agree.It's definitely my favorite.