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PrintableBlaqueKnight said: ButterscotchPimp said: It'll change people who get notification from the RIAA for theft from thinking about going to trial instead of settling out of court..... Keep on cheering for the RIAA, companyman. They are at the very least as corrupt as any organized crime mob around. I bet you believe that this will somehow help you as a music consumer, don't you? IT WON'T. They have been stealing from the public since their inception. They are the police for the mob in the music business. Technology is kicking their ass and there is nothing they can do about it but go after a few people and try to get some profits via lawsuits. Its a new age and major labels will fall. The music will eventually be back in the hands of the musician and out of the accountants and lawyers that enable major labels to feed people bullshit 24/7. An artist's money is in touring, anyway. Exactly. Anything that snuffs those motherfuckers out, I'll all for it. It was them that killed music by either keeping musicians out or not promoting them because they play instruments instead of making cheap music with new technology. Since technology has advanced even more in all areas, I see it only fitting that technology is the killer of the record labels. It's like, what goes around, comes around. They are Frankenstein and now their monster is turning on them. I love it. 
Remember "Computer Age" by Newcleus? Are they under our control or are we under their control or what.... Push the button, dammitt.
. . . [Edited 10/5/07 18:29pm] Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: sosgemini said:
i even refuse to let friends borrow my cd's because i know they will burn them...i support artist rights to make a living off of their art. What if it's an album that's out of print? I would much rather have an original copy from the record store than a homemade one from a friend but I can't buy it if it's not in the store for sale. It's also not taking any money away from the artist because the album is no longer for sale anyway. your right...then i try to buy it used which i know doesn't benefit the artist but at least i have legal product... the only exception to this, for me, has been friendly fire by wendy and lisa...but they declared the work would never be released...and if it ends up being released i would buy a copy to support them. Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said:
your right...then i try to buy it used which i know doesn't benefit the artist but at least i have legal product... I go to the used record stores looking for stuff too but they only have what people have sold to them. They don't have everything. the only exception to this, for me, has been friendly fire by wendy and lisa...but they declared the work would never be released...and if it ends up being released i would buy a copy to support them.
I always had a feeling that you've either met them or know them personally. If you do, tell them that Andy said "Hello". Anyway, with me, when I have a homemade copy of an album and it ends up being re-released later, if I buy an original copy depends on the particular album. For instance, when Prince's "NEWS" was released, I didn't have the internet and had no knowledge that the album existed until a friend showed up at my doorstep with a CD-R copy he had made for me. I listened to it, hated it, but kept it for collection purposes. I've seen "NEWS" in the record store a thousand times since then but have no desire to buy it. If it had been a slammin' album like "1999" or "Controversy", I would have bought it real quick because I would want not only the original, but the artwork and everything else that went along with it. There was a time though, that I was such a Prince freak that I would have bought even the shittiest Prince album just to say I have it. Being grown and broke makes you get your priorities straight real quick. Now, me and my friend have a deal, if we know beforehand that Prince is going to make a completely shitty album from start to finish like "NEWS" or "The Truth", he will either buy it and copy it for me and the next time, I will buy it and copy it for him. I owe him the next one. I just hope Prince never stoops that low again. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: Exactly. Anything that snuffs those motherfuckers out, I'll all for it. It was them that killed music by either keeping musicians out or not promoting them because they play instruments instead of making cheap music with new technology. Since technology has advanced even more in all areas, I see it only fitting that technology is the killer of the record labels. It's like, what goes around, comes around. They are Frankenstein and now their monster is turning on them. I love it.
Remember "Computer Age" by Newcleus? Are they under our control or are we under their control or what.... Push the button, dammitt.
. . . [Edited 10/5/07 18:29pm] AMEN TO THAT! | |
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vainandy said: Exactly. Anything that snuffs those motherfuckers out, I'll all for it. It was them that killed music by either keeping musicians out or not promoting them because they play instruments instead of making cheap music with new technology. Since technology has advanced even more in all areas, I see it only fitting that technology is the killer of the record labels. It's like, what goes around, comes around. They are Frankenstein and now their monster is turning on them. I love it.
Remember "Computer Age" by Newcleus? Are they under our control or are we under their control or what.... Push the button, dammitt.
. . . [Edited 10/5/07 18:29pm] Great post.  | |
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i generally purchase new music. most of what i have downloaded throughout the years from napster, kazaa, limewire, etc has been music i actually own but was too lazy to get up and look for.  i better not get busted for having mp3's of music i own on cassettes and vinyl. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Please understand that my use of the word "ignorance" is in its literal sense - "not knowing". Its not meant to be a general insult. Everyone is ignorant, especially me when it comes to something or another. Just wanted to clear that up. If you are not ignorant of how the business works, my apologies.
Lastdecember: Exactly what MONEY is Prince losing from his videos being on Youtube? Please explain. I have a full understanding of how payments, royalties and liscensing fees work. Now explain how PRINCE is losing money from youtube? Is he mad because he thinks companies will spend ad dollars for him to host videos on his own site? Like everyone is going to stop using youtube and go to Princetube or some shit?  Pluh-ease! People are hung up on laws but in some states marraiges between different races is still illegal even though they are not observed. Just because a law exists doesn't mean its useful. I bet everyone J-walks. Its against the law. Copyright laws are no different. Prince wants to be the only source for his music AFTER its been released and thats just FUCKIN' CRAZY! Dude has lost it, LITERALLY.
I'm still waiting on an explanation on how Prince is losing money from people watching his old videos on youtube; especially when music videos aren't supposed to be used for profit anyway...anyone? Like i said with Prince, he has to be the one, its been that way for a long time. Does he lose money? no, he never has, i just think he's mad because he wasnt behind leaking stuff. PRINCE is infamous for leaking tracks and having people at his shows recording concerts, if anyone thinks this is not true, you are crazy. Because he was/is behind alot of his music being bootlegged back in the day, if you think he wasnt collecting on all those songs from the vault that were "leaked" youre wrong. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Lothan said: I agree with you to a point. I have never understood why those things were created and I also don't understand why sites like youtube exist when those companies know people are gonna do bad things with their products. Hell, there is so much copyrighted stuff on youtube that I am suprised they haven't been shut down by now.
We can share with others but it doesn't make it right. You all sound "well-trained" by labels. Youtube is NOT damaging to an artist in any way AT ALL. MUSIC VIDEOS ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE FOR SALE! UGH!!!!! Ignorance of this is a pet peeve of mine. Sorry. First off, when artists shoot videos, those are promotional tools. All of the money that gets spent on making them gets written off as a loss by the record label, so they loose NOTHING. The artist incurs the cost of the video via record sales. Who's pocket is it really coming out of? The artist. Check the sales of ANY music video compilation on DVD and you will see LOW FIGURES. People don't buy music videos in general. The product doesn't move. Its not really supposed to. You tube's resolution is so bad that there is no useful purpose other than promotion of a song. Live bootlegs get posted but even thpose aren't high enough quality to sell. Youtube was created for attention whores in the first place and BECAME A SOURCE FOR MUSIC VIDS LATER. It was not designed for the usage that is applied to it today. Still, companies use youtube all of the time for promotion. So you mean to tell me that its "bad" when an individual uses it but "good" when a corporation uses it to get you to buy their shit? Well trained puppies. There are hundreds of thousands of youtube like sites. They are NOT a threat to anything an artist is trying to do. Also, without music sharing, people don't know who the hell an artist is. If all music sharing of any kind (down to cassette passing) stopped tomorrow, in a VERY VERY short time, all artists careers would slow to a crawl and people (artists and labels) would be begging for it to start back. The problem is majors want it both ways. They are used to being able to manipulate accordingly and when it is to their benefit, sharing is good. They call it "promotion". When they are not controlling it, they call it "bootlegging" even if no money is being made from it. All of you defending the RIAA and majors think you are defending artist's rights but you aren't. You're only defending the major's control and you think that would trickle down into artist's pockets. It doesn't.  I couldn't have said it any better!!! | |
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