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Great (and accurate) story - RRHoF This person is right on!! 
To anyone who’s still reading or buying Rolling Stone: It’s time to boycott Jann Wenner’s flagship magazine. I’ve never participated in a boycott — not of lettuce or grapes or anything else. But enough is enough. After the announcement late Friday of the nominees’ ballot for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, there’s only thing to do: Hit publisher Wenner, who controls the Rock Hall, where it hurts. If you love rock 'n' roll, stop buying Rolling Stone until the tremendous insults of the Hall of Fame are corrected. Wenner’s nominating committee consists largely of his current and former employees from Rolling Stone (Nathan Brackett, David Fricke, Jim Henke, Joe Levy, Brian Keizer, Toure, and Anthony DeCurtis). But they have little say over who really is inducted. Rolling Stone Magazine Hits a Sour Note With Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees (Like Madonna)Britney Spears' Album: First Listen to New SongsRichie Sambora: Surviving Heather Locklear, Denise RichardsRatings Picture Not So Rosie at ‘The View’Jessica and Ashlee Simpson: Why They're Not Britney SpearsFull-page Fox411 Archive Last year, in a story reported by this column exclusively, Wenner threw out a vote in which the classic British invasion group Dave Clark Five was voted in and changed it for another round that favored rappers Grandmaster Flash. As one insider from the Hall has maintained, "Once Ahmet Ertegun died, Jann felt like he could run wild." The legendary co-founder of Atlantic Records was considered the only person who could control Wenner. He died in 2006. The Dave Clark Five incident has repercussions, however. I’m told that Wenner was made to meet Clark after I broke that story last March. The group now is guaranteed entry, although it’s a bittersweet win. They are probably not, to paraphrase one of their hits, "Glad All Over." But this year’s choices are a complete affront to fans of the Rock and Roll Hall. And to show how much Wenner controls what’s happening, the exclusive announcement was made on Rolling Stone’s Web site. If you’re still reading or buying Rolling Stone, it’s time to stop. This year’s ballot shows that the Hall has skipped over the seminal 1970s for the worthless '80s. The committee has chosen dance music over rock. They’ve all but ignored the pioneers who influenced the genre in favor of non sequiturs. The choices: dance group Chic, hip-hop pioneer Afrika Bambaataa, mediocre Bruce Springsteen-wannabe John Mellencamp (a Wenner crony who’s lost out on many tries), white rappers the Beastie Boys, disco queen Donna Summer and, of course, Madonna. Among "older" names: the aforementioned DC5, instrumentalists the Ventures and Leonard Cohen. Here’s the idea: that these names should enter the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame before such historically important and influential acts as Iggy Pop and the Stooges, "fifth Beatle" Billy Preston or performer/producer Todd Rundgren. They aren’t the only ones. Major groups the Hall voters deem "not hip": The Moody Blues (simply for "Days of Future Passed") and Chicago (for its first two seminal albums). Hall & Oates, Yes, Genesis, J. Geils Band, Alice Cooper and KISS are also names often mentioned by critics. Also left wanting: stars such as Carly Simon and Linda Ronstadt, who were mainstays of Rolling Stone in the 1970s, have been iced out. Carole King was inducted only as a writer with ex-husband Gerry Goffin. Her achievement as the creator of "Tapestry," for years the best-selling album of all time, has been ignored. Neil Sedaka ("Calendar Girl," "Breaking Up Is Hard to Do") is not in the Hall of Fame. Neither is Neil Diamond ("I’m a Believer," "Sweet Caroline"). That’s right. They only wrote half the hits that modern groups cover or sample. Go figure. The late Laura Nyro, who also wrote a dozen or so hits, is absent, as is Leon Russell, whose songs "This Masquerade" and "A Song for You" are among the most covered by pop acts. He also was a member of Phil Spector’s legendary band, as were other nonmembers Glen Campbell and Sonny Bono. Then there are the R&B performers who remain in the cold, such as Tina Turner, Dionne Warwick, Motown legends Mary Wells, the Marvelettes and the Spinners, not to mention Ben E. King ("Stand by Me" and dozens of hits on Atlantic), Stax Records legends Carla and Rufus Thomas, Spector star Darlene Love, Joe Tex, Al Green and, of course, Chubby Checker, whom the Hall denies over and over again despite his invention of rock’s greatest dance hit, "The Twist." Neither John Fogerty, Lou Reed, Peter Gabriel, Ringo Starr, Tom Waits, Steve Winwood, Diana Ross, Steve Miller nor Sonny Burgess — the man behind Elvis Presley — is in the Hall of Fame. OK, just so we’re straight on why Rolling Stone must be boycotted. It wants the Beastie Boys before Randy Newman, The Hollies, Tom Jones or Mitch Ryder’s "Devil in the Blue Dress." Controversial Cat Stevens also stays in the cold despite his dozen or so hits and his influence on singer-songwriters of his era. And I haven’t even raised the idea of Poco, Aaron Neville, the Turtles, Gram Parsons and hitmakers Three Dog Night, whose members made hits for dozens of new songwriters including Harry Nilsson, John Hiatt, Jimmy Cliff, Hoyt Axton, Paul Williams and Randy Newman. The lists go on and on. You can see more names at www.futurerockhall.com. The Hall has caused its own problems over the years. It no longer includes three categories that the Hall introduced, then eliminated: Non-Performers, Side Men and Early Influences. The nominating committee, with a couple of exceptions who are obviously ignored, is simply too young and uneducated in popular music history to select entries in those groupings. It’s a pathetic, ridiculous situation and it must be stopped. Of the new crop, I don’t have much to say that’s positive. Madonna is a steamroller because of the cult of personality. She’s not a rocker, she has a thin voice and she doesn’t write all of her own material. But she’s a force of nature. There’s no stopping Madonna when she wants something. Chances are good she won’t bring Steve Bray, Patrick Leonard, William Orbit and all her writers and producers to the stage. They are Madonna. Chic is a fun idea with great songs, but it was really producer-writer Nile Rodgers and his partner Bernard Summers who made it work as a dance group. Rodgers should be in as a hugely successful producer of music by David Bowie, Ross and others. Summers can be thanked. Chic, however, is not rock. The rest are totally off base, given the above list. Summer was a disco act. For her to get in before Ronstadt is a joke. Mellencamp at least plays rock. But he’s a minor note in the genre’s history. Afrika Bambaataa and the Beastie Boys: Are they kidding? Even the latter must be laughing. They had one big hit, "You’ve Got to Fight for Your Right to Party." The former, while I’m sure quite lovely, is a record-scratcher with a great name. Each of these belongs in a Rap Hall of Fame. And it’s not that I am against hip-hop or rap artists in the Hall of Fame. But Run-DMC is the obvious choice for an act in that genre that crossed into rock. Apart from its own music, Run-DMC’s partnership with Aerosmith on "Walk This Way" brought hip-hop to a new level and standard. No one would argue with its inclusion. Of the two senior acts aside from the DC5, the Ventures probably are a good idea. The Hall lacks instrumentalists. But Cohen should be in as a writer. His morose style never once crossed into rock, and he knows it. Diamond, Sedaka and Simon have among them dozens more actual rock hits as writers and performers. Come on. And Cohen’s songs have not had nearly the same impact on rock as those by Jimmy Webb. He’s also been snubbed by Wenner’s crew. By the way: The Hall of Fame Foundation, which Wenner runs with toadie Joel Peresman, has nothing to do with the Rock and Rock Hall of Fame Museum in Cleveland. "Jann treats the museum like a toy and has no respect for Terry Stewart," an insider says. Stewart runs the museum with no regard for Wenner’s exclusions. Last year, the Hall claimed to have given away only $158,968 of its $12 million war chest to needy musicians. It gave $56,236 to the museum to maintain its own archives. The museum must raise its own money. Peresman is thought to get between $300,000 — what the previous director was paid — and $500,000. New board members include wealthy businessmen Craig Hatkoff (co-founder of the Tribeca Film Festival) and Dirk Ziff (heir to a media fortune), nice guys who have no connection to the music business or rock 'n' roll at all. They’re Wenner’s friends. Famed rocker Jay-Z — ha ha — also has joined. Former inductees to the Hall, by the way, must buy their own tickets to the annual Waldorf-Astoria dinner. Tickets cost $3,500. Few, if any, show up anymore for the big jam session at the end of the night. These selections for 2008 are terrible, but they’re just the beginning of what’s going to be a weird ride, thanks to the new generation. To wit: Kanye West is scheduled to be honored soon by the Chicago branch of the Recording Academy. This means that other artists will have to perform a tribute to him by performing his music. Only: He has no music. West samples existing records. So someone will have to sample a sample to praise him. It’s sad. So: I don’t know anyone who buys or reads Rolling Stone, but someone must, since Wenner Media seems to make money. It can’t all be Us Weekly. Until real rock is served by the Hall of Fame, please don’t buy Rolling Stone or click on any of the ads on its Web site. Then maybe Wenner will get the message that no one can take his Rock and Roll Hall of Fame seriously anymore. | |
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Empress said: This person is right on!!
To anyone who’s still reading or buying Rolling Stone: It’s time to boycott Jann Wenner’s flagship magazine. I’ve never participated in a boycott — not of lettuce or grapes or anything else. But enough is enough. After the announcement late Friday of the nominees’ ballot for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, there’s only thing to do: Hit publisher Wenner, who controls the Rock Hall, where it hurts. If you love rock 'n' roll, stop buying Rolling Stone until the tremendous insults of the Hall of Fame are corrected. Wenner’s nominating committee consists largely of his current and former employees from Rolling Stone (Nathan Brackett, David Fricke, Jim Henke, Joe Levy, Brian Keizer, Toure, and Anthony DeCurtis). But they have little say over who really is inducted. Rolling Stone Magazine Hits a Sour Note With Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees (Like Madonna)Britney Spears' Album: First Listen to New SongsRichie Sambora: Surviving Heather Locklear, Denise RichardsRatings Picture Not So Rosie at ‘The View’Jessica and Ashlee Simpson: Why They're Not Britney SpearsFull-page Fox411 Archive Last year, in a story reported by this column exclusively, Wenner threw out a vote in which the classic British invasion group Dave Clark Five was voted in and changed it for another round that favored rappers Grandmaster Flash. As one insider from the Hall has maintained, "Once Ahmet Ertegun died, Jann felt like he could run wild." The legendary co-founder of Atlantic Records was considered the only person who could control Wenner. He died in 2006. The Dave Clark Five incident has repercussions, however. I’m told that Wenner was made to meet Clark after I broke that story last March. The group now is guaranteed entry, although it’s a bittersweet win. They are probably not, to paraphrase one of their hits, "Glad All Over." But this year’s choices are a complete affront to fans of the Rock and Roll Hall. And to show how much Wenner controls what’s happening, the exclusive announcement was made on Rolling Stone’s Web site. If you’re still reading or buying Rolling Stone, it’s time to stop. This year’s ballot shows that the Hall has skipped over the seminal 1970s for the worthless '80s. The committee has chosen dance music over rock. They’ve all but ignored the pioneers who influenced the genre in favor of non sequiturs. The choices: dance group Chic, hip-hop pioneer Afrika Bambaataa, mediocre Bruce Springsteen-wannabe John Mellencamp (a Wenner crony who’s lost out on many tries), white rappers the Beastie Boys, disco queen Donna Summer and, of course, Madonna. Among "older" names: the aforementioned DC5, instrumentalists the Ventures and Leonard Cohen. Here’s the idea: that these names should enter the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame before such historically important and influential acts as Iggy Pop and the Stooges, "fifth Beatle" Billy Preston or performer/producer Todd Rundgren. They aren’t the only ones. Major groups the Hall voters deem "not hip": The Moody Blues (simply for "Days of Future Passed") and Chicago (for its first two seminal albums). Hall & Oates, Yes, Genesis, J. Geils Band, Alice Cooper and KISS are also names often mentioned by critics. Also left wanting: stars such as Carly Simon and Linda Ronstadt, who were mainstays of Rolling Stone in the 1970s, have been iced out. Carole King was inducted only as a writer with ex-husband Gerry Goffin. Her achievement as the creator of "Tapestry," for years the best-selling album of all time, has been ignored. Neil Sedaka ("Calendar Girl," "Breaking Up Is Hard to Do") is not in the Hall of Fame. Neither is Neil Diamond ("I’m a Believer," "Sweet Caroline"). That’s right. They only wrote half the hits that modern groups cover or sample. Go figure. The late Laura Nyro, who also wrote a dozen or so hits, is absent, as is Leon Russell, whose songs "This Masquerade" and "A Song for You" are among the most covered by pop acts. He also was a member of Phil Spector’s legendary band, as were other nonmembers Glen Campbell and Sonny Bono. Then there are the R&B performers who remain in the cold, such as Tina Turner, Dionne Warwick, Motown legends Mary Wells, the Marvelettes and the Spinners, not to mention Ben E. King ("Stand by Me" and dozens of hits on Atlantic), Stax Records legends Carla and Rufus Thomas, Spector star Darlene Love, Joe Tex, Al Green and, of course, Chubby Checker, whom the Hall denies over and over again despite his invention of rock’s greatest dance hit, "The Twist." Neither John Fogerty, Lou Reed, Peter Gabriel, Ringo Starr, Tom Waits, Steve Winwood, Diana Ross, Steve Miller nor Sonny Burgess — the man behind Elvis Presley — is in the Hall of Fame. OK, just so we’re straight on why Rolling Stone must be boycotted. It wants the Beastie Boys before Randy Newman, The Hollies, Tom Jones or Mitch Ryder’s "Devil in the Blue Dress." Controversial Cat Stevens also stays in the cold despite his dozen or so hits and his influence on singer-songwriters of his era. And I haven’t even raised the idea of Poco, Aaron Neville, the Turtles, Gram Parsons and hitmakers Three Dog Night, whose members made hits for dozens of new songwriters including Harry Nilsson, John Hiatt, Jimmy Cliff, Hoyt Axton, Paul Williams and Randy Newman. The lists go on and on. You can see more names at www.futurerockhall.com. The Hall has caused its own problems over the years. It no longer includes three categories that the Hall introduced, then eliminated: Non-Performers, Side Men and Early Influences. The nominating committee, with a couple of exceptions who are obviously ignored, is simply too young and uneducated in popular music history to select entries in those groupings. It’s a pathetic, ridiculous situation and it must be stopped. Of the new crop, I don’t have much to say that’s positive. Madonna is a steamroller because of the cult of personality. She’s not a rocker, she has a thin voice and she doesn’t write all of her own material. But she’s a force of nature. There’s no stopping Madonna when she wants something. Chances are good she won’t bring Steve Bray, Patrick Leonard, William Orbit and all her writers and producers to the stage. They are Madonna. Chic is a fun idea with great songs, but it was really producer-writer Nile Rodgers and his partner Bernard Summers who made it work as a dance group. Rodgers should be in as a hugely successful producer of music by David Bowie, Ross and others. Summers can be thanked. Chic, however, is not rock. The rest are totally off base, given the above list. Summer was a disco act. For her to get in before Ronstadt is a joke. Mellencamp at least plays rock. But he’s a minor note in the genre’s history. Afrika Bambaataa and the Beastie Boys: Are they kidding? Even the latter must be laughing. They had one big hit, "You’ve Got to Fight for Your Right to Party." The former, while I’m sure quite lovely, is a record-scratcher with a great name. Each of these belongs in a Rap Hall of Fame. And it’s not that I am against hip-hop or rap artists in the Hall of Fame. But Run-DMC is the obvious choice for an act in that genre that crossed into rock. Apart from its own music, Run-DMC’s partnership with Aerosmith on "Walk This Way" brought hip-hop to a new level and standard. No one would argue with its inclusion. Of the two senior acts aside from the DC5, the Ventures probably are a good idea. The Hall lacks instrumentalists. But Cohen should be in as a writer. His morose style never once crossed into rock, and he knows it. Diamond, Sedaka and Simon have among them dozens more actual rock hits as writers and performers. Come on. And Cohen’s songs have not had nearly the same impact on rock as those by Jimmy Webb. He’s also been snubbed by Wenner’s crew. By the way: The Hall of Fame Foundation, which Wenner runs with toadie Joel Peresman, has nothing to do with the Rock and Rock Hall of Fame Museum in Cleveland. "Jann treats the museum like a toy and has no respect for Terry Stewart," an insider says. Stewart runs the museum with no regard for Wenner’s exclusions. Last year, the Hall claimed to have given away only $158,968 of its $12 million war chest to needy musicians. It gave $56,236 to the museum to maintain its own archives. The museum must raise its own money. Peresman is thought to get between $300,000 — what the previous director was paid — and $500,000. New board members include wealthy businessmen Craig Hatkoff (co-founder of the Tribeca Film Festival) and Dirk Ziff (heir to a media fortune), nice guys who have no connection to the music business or rock 'n' roll at all. They’re Wenner’s friends. Famed rocker Jay-Z — ha ha — also has joined. Former inductees to the Hall, by the way, must buy their own tickets to the annual Waldorf-Astoria dinner. Tickets cost $3,500. Few, if any, show up anymore for the big jam session at the end of the night. These selections for 2008 are terrible, but they’re just the beginning of what’s going to be a weird ride, thanks to the new generation. To wit: Kanye West is scheduled to be honored soon by the Chicago branch of the Recording Academy. This means that other artists will have to perform a tribute to him by performing his music. Only: He has no music. West samples existing records. So someone will have to sample a sample to praise him. It’s sad. So: I don’t know anyone who buys or reads Rolling Stone, but someone must, since Wenner Media seems to make money. It can’t all be Us Weekly. Until real rock is served by the Hall of Fame, please don’t buy Rolling Stone or click on any of the ads on its Web site. Then maybe Wenner will get the message that no one can take his Rock and Roll Hall of Fame seriously anymore. Who the hell is Bernard Summers ? ( shit the man is deceased you can atleast get his name right) RIP Bernard Edwards  | |
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banks said: Empress said: This person is right on!!
To anyone who’s still reading or buying Rolling Stone: It’s time to boycott Jann Wenner’s flagship magazine. I’ve never participated in a boycott — not of lettuce or grapes or anything else. But enough is enough. After the announcement late Friday of the nominees’ ballot for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, there’s only thing to do: Hit publisher Wenner, who controls the Rock Hall, where it hurts. If you love rock 'n' roll, stop buying Rolling Stone until the tremendous insults of the Hall of Fame are corrected. Wenner’s nominating committee consists largely of his current and former employees from Rolling Stone (Nathan Brackett, David Fricke, Jim Henke, Joe Levy, Brian Keizer, Toure, and Anthony DeCurtis). But they have little say over who really is inducted. Rolling Stone Magazine Hits a Sour Note With Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees (Like Madonna)Britney Spears' Album: First Listen to New SongsRichie Sambora: Surviving Heather Locklear, Denise RichardsRatings Picture Not So Rosie at ‘The View’Jessica and Ashlee Simpson: Why They're Not Britney SpearsFull-page Fox411 Archive Last year, in a story reported by this column exclusively, Wenner threw out a vote in which the classic British invasion group Dave Clark Five was voted in and changed it for another round that favored rappers Grandmaster Flash. As one insider from the Hall has maintained, "Once Ahmet Ertegun died, Jann felt like he could run wild." The legendary co-founder of Atlantic Records was considered the only person who could control Wenner. He died in 2006. The Dave Clark Five incident has repercussions, however. I’m told that Wenner was made to meet Clark after I broke that story last March. The group now is guaranteed entry, although it’s a bittersweet win. They are probably not, to paraphrase one of their hits, "Glad All Over." But this year’s choices are a complete affront to fans of the Rock and Roll Hall. And to show how much Wenner controls what’s happening, the exclusive announcement was made on Rolling Stone’s Web site. If you’re still reading or buying Rolling Stone, it’s time to stop. This year’s ballot shows that the Hall has skipped over the seminal 1970s for the worthless '80s. The committee has chosen dance music over rock. They’ve all but ignored the pioneers who influenced the genre in favor of non sequiturs. The choices: dance group Chic, hip-hop pioneer Afrika Bambaataa, mediocre Bruce Springsteen-wannabe John Mellencamp (a Wenner crony who’s lost out on many tries), white rappers the Beastie Boys, disco queen Donna Summer and, of course, Madonna. Among "older" names: the aforementioned DC5, instrumentalists the Ventures and Leonard Cohen. Here’s the idea: that these names should enter the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame before such historically important and influential acts as Iggy Pop and the Stooges, "fifth Beatle" Billy Preston or performer/producer Todd Rundgren. They aren’t the only ones. Major groups the Hall voters deem "not hip": The Moody Blues (simply for "Days of Future Passed") and Chicago (for its first two seminal albums). Hall & Oates, Yes, Genesis, J. Geils Band, Alice Cooper and KISS are also names often mentioned by critics. Also left wanting: stars such as Carly Simon and Linda Ronstadt, who were mainstays of Rolling Stone in the 1970s, have been iced out. Carole King was inducted only as a writer with ex-husband Gerry Goffin. Her achievement as the creator of "Tapestry," for years the best-selling album of all time, has been ignored. Neil Sedaka ("Calendar Girl," "Breaking Up Is Hard to Do") is not in the Hall of Fame. Neither is Neil Diamond ("I’m a Believer," "Sweet Caroline"). That’s right. They only wrote half the hits that modern groups cover or sample. Go figure. The late Laura Nyro, who also wrote a dozen or so hits, is absent, as is Leon Russell, whose songs "This Masquerade" and "A Song for You" are among the most covered by pop acts. He also was a member of Phil Spector’s legendary band, as were other nonmembers Glen Campbell and Sonny Bono. Then there are the R&B performers who remain in the cold, such as Tina Turner, Dionne Warwick, Motown legends Mary Wells, the Marvelettes and the Spinners, not to mention Ben E. King ("Stand by Me" and dozens of hits on Atlantic), Stax Records legends Carla and Rufus Thomas, Spector star Darlene Love, Joe Tex, Al Green and, of course, Chubby Checker, whom the Hall denies over and over again despite his invention of rock’s greatest dance hit, "The Twist." Neither John Fogerty, Lou Reed, Peter Gabriel, Ringo Starr, Tom Waits, Steve Winwood, Diana Ross, Steve Miller nor Sonny Burgess — the man behind Elvis Presley — is in the Hall of Fame. OK, just so we’re straight on why Rolling Stone must be boycotted. It wants the Beastie Boys before Randy Newman, The Hollies, Tom Jones or Mitch Ryder’s "Devil in the Blue Dress." Controversial Cat Stevens also stays in the cold despite his dozen or so hits and his influence on singer-songwriters of his era. And I haven’t even raised the idea of Poco, Aaron Neville, the Turtles, Gram Parsons and hitmakers Three Dog Night, whose members made hits for dozens of new songwriters including Harry Nilsson, John Hiatt, Jimmy Cliff, Hoyt Axton, Paul Williams and Randy Newman. The lists go on and on. You can see more names at www.futurerockhall.com. The Hall has caused its own problems over the years. It no longer includes three categories that the Hall introduced, then eliminated: Non-Performers, Side Men and Early Influences. The nominating committee, with a couple of exceptions who are obviously ignored, is simply too young and uneducated in popular music history to select entries in those groupings. It’s a pathetic, ridiculous situation and it must be stopped. Of the new crop, I don’t have much to say that’s positive. Madonna is a steamroller because of the cult of personality. She’s not a rocker, she has a thin voice and she doesn’t write all of her own material. But she’s a force of nature. There’s no stopping Madonna when she wants something. Chances are good she won’t bring Steve Bray, Patrick Leonard, William Orbit and all her writers and producers to the stage. They are Madonna. Chic is a fun idea with great songs, but it was really producer-writer Nile Rodgers and his partner Bernard Summers who made it work as a dance group. Rodgers should be in as a hugely successful producer of music by David Bowie, Ross and others. Summers can be thanked. Chic, however, is not rock. The rest are totally off base, given the above list. Summer was a disco act. For her to get in before Ronstadt is a joke. Mellencamp at least plays rock. But he’s a minor note in the genre’s history. Afrika Bambaataa and the Beastie Boys: Are they kidding? Even the latter must be laughing. They had one big hit, "You’ve Got to Fight for Your Right to Party." The former, while I’m sure quite lovely, is a record-scratcher with a great name. Each of these belongs in a Rap Hall of Fame. And it’s not that I am against hip-hop or rap artists in the Hall of Fame. But Run-DMC is the obvious choice for an act in that genre that crossed into rock. Apart from its own music, Run-DMC’s partnership with Aerosmith on "Walk This Way" brought hip-hop to a new level and standard. No one would argue with its inclusion. Of the two senior acts aside from the DC5, the Ventures probably are a good idea. The Hall lacks instrumentalists. But Cohen should be in as a writer. His morose style never once crossed into rock, and he knows it. Diamond, Sedaka and Simon have among them dozens more actual rock hits as writers and performers. Come on. And Cohen’s songs have not had nearly the same impact on rock as those by Jimmy Webb. He’s also been snubbed by Wenner’s crew. By the way: The Hall of Fame Foundation, which Wenner runs with toadie Joel Peresman, has nothing to do with the Rock and Rock Hall of Fame Museum in Cleveland. "Jann treats the museum like a toy and has no respect for Terry Stewart," an insider says. Stewart runs the museum with no regard for Wenner’s exclusions. Last year, the Hall claimed to have given away only $158,968 of its $12 million war chest to needy musicians. It gave $56,236 to the museum to maintain its own archives. The museum must raise its own money. Peresman is thought to get between $300,000 — what the previous director was paid — and $500,000. New board members include wealthy businessmen Craig Hatkoff (co-founder of the Tribeca Film Festival) and Dirk Ziff (heir to a media fortune), nice guys who have no connection to the music business or rock 'n' roll at all. They’re Wenner’s friends. Famed rocker Jay-Z — ha ha — also has joined. Former inductees to the Hall, by the way, must buy their own tickets to the annual Waldorf-Astoria dinner. Tickets cost $3,500. Few, if any, show up anymore for the big jam session at the end of the night. These selections for 2008 are terrible, but they’re just the beginning of what’s going to be a weird ride, thanks to the new generation. To wit: Kanye West is scheduled to be honored soon by the Chicago branch of the Recording Academy. This means that other artists will have to perform a tribute to him by performing his music. Only: He has no music. West samples existing records. So someone will have to sample a sample to praise him. It’s sad. So: I don’t know anyone who buys or reads Rolling Stone, but someone must, since Wenner Media seems to make money. It can’t all be Us Weekly. Until real rock is served by the Hall of Fame, please don’t buy Rolling Stone or click on any of the ads on its Web site. Then maybe Wenner will get the message that no one can take his Rock and Roll Hall of Fame seriously anymore. Who the hell is Bernard Summers ? ( shit the man is deceased you can atleast get his name right) RIP Bernard Edwards I notice that shit when I read it.   | |
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ya know, he raises some valid points but loses my sympathy with his condescending attitude towards this years nominees. Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: ya know, he raises some valid points but loses my sympathy with his condescending attitude towards this years nominees.
this person does raise some valid points... the fact that Tina Turner has not been inducted is a travesty | |
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banks said: sosgemini said: ya know, he raises some valid points but loses my sympathy with his condescending attitude towards this years nominees.
this person does raise some valid points... the fact that Tina Turner has not been inducted is a travesty I think them not inducting Billy Preston is a bigger travesty honestly. | |
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sosgemini said: ya know, he raises some valid points but loses my sympathy with his condescending attitude towards this years nominees.
Co-sign, I didn't like his jabs toward Chic and Donna. Especially when he got Bernard and Donna's last name confused. | |
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banks said: Empress said: This person is right on!!
To anyone who’s still reading or buying Rolling Stone: It’s time to boycott Jann Wenner’s flagship magazine. I’ve never participated in a boycott — not of lettuce or grapes or anything else. But enough is enough. After the announcement late Friday of the nominees’ ballot for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, there’s only thing to do: Hit publisher Wenner, who controls the Rock Hall, where it hurts. If you love rock 'n' roll, stop buying Rolling Stone until the tremendous insults of the Hall of Fame are corrected. Wenner’s nominating committee consists largely of his current and former employees from Rolling Stone (Nathan Brackett, David Fricke, Jim Henke, Joe Levy, Brian Keizer, Toure, and Anthony DeCurtis). But they have little say over who really is inducted. Rolling Stone Magazine Hits a Sour Note With Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees (Like Madonna)Britney Spears' Album: First Listen to New SongsRichie Sambora: Surviving Heather Locklear, Denise RichardsRatings Picture Not So Rosie at ‘The View’Jessica and Ashlee Simpson: Why They're Not Britney SpearsFull-page Fox411 Archive Last year, in a story reported by this column exclusively, Wenner threw out a vote in which the classic British invasion group Dave Clark Five was voted in and changed it for another round that favored rappers Grandmaster Flash. As one insider from the Hall has maintained, "Once Ahmet Ertegun died, Jann felt like he could run wild." The legendary co-founder of Atlantic Records was considered the only person who could control Wenner. He died in 2006. The Dave Clark Five incident has repercussions, however. I’m told that Wenner was made to meet Clark after I broke that story last March. The group now is guaranteed entry, although it’s a bittersweet win. They are probably not, to paraphrase one of their hits, "Glad All Over." But this year’s choices are a complete affront to fans of the Rock and Roll Hall. And to show how much Wenner controls what’s happening, the exclusive announcement was made on Rolling Stone’s Web site. If you’re still reading or buying Rolling Stone, it’s time to stop. This year’s ballot shows that the Hall has skipped over the seminal 1970s for the worthless '80s. The committee has chosen dance music over rock. They’ve all but ignored the pioneers who influenced the genre in favor of non sequiturs. The choices: dance group Chic, hip-hop pioneer Afrika Bambaataa, mediocre Bruce Springsteen-wannabe John Mellencamp (a Wenner crony who’s lost out on many tries), white rappers the Beastie Boys, disco queen Donna Summer and, of course, Madonna. Among "older" names: the aforementioned DC5, instrumentalists the Ventures and Leonard Cohen. Here’s the idea: that these names should enter the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame before such historically important and influential acts as Iggy Pop and the Stooges, "fifth Beatle" Billy Preston or performer/producer Todd Rundgren. They aren’t the only ones. Major groups the Hall voters deem "not hip": The Moody Blues (simply for "Days of Future Passed") and Chicago (for its first two seminal albums). Hall & Oates, Yes, Genesis, J. Geils Band, Alice Cooper and KISS are also names often mentioned by critics. Also left wanting: stars such as Carly Simon and Linda Ronstadt, who were mainstays of Rolling Stone in the 1970s, have been iced out. Carole King was inducted only as a writer with ex-husband Gerry Goffin. Her achievement as the creator of "Tapestry," for years the best-selling album of all time, has been ignored. Neil Sedaka ("Calendar Girl," "Breaking Up Is Hard to Do") is not in the Hall of Fame. Neither is Neil Diamond ("I’m a Believer," "Sweet Caroline"). That’s right. They only wrote half the hits that modern groups cover or sample. Go figure. The late Laura Nyro, who also wrote a dozen or so hits, is absent, as is Leon Russell, whose songs "This Masquerade" and "A Song for You" are among the most covered by pop acts. He also was a member of Phil Spector’s legendary band, as were other nonmembers Glen Campbell and Sonny Bono. Then there are the R&B performers who remain in the cold, such as Tina Turner, Dionne Warwick, Motown legends Mary Wells, the Marvelettes and the Spinners, not to mention Ben E. King ("Stand by Me" and dozens of hits on Atlantic), Stax Records legends Carla and Rufus Thomas, Spector star Darlene Love, Joe Tex, Al Green and, of course, Chubby Checker, whom the Hall denies over and over again despite his invention of rock’s greatest dance hit, "The Twist." Neither John Fogerty, Lou Reed, Peter Gabriel, Ringo Starr, Tom Waits, Steve Winwood, Diana Ross, Steve Miller nor Sonny Burgess — the man behind Elvis Presley — is in the Hall of Fame. OK, just so we’re straight on why Rolling Stone must be boycotted. It wants the Beastie Boys before Randy Newman, The Hollies, Tom Jones or Mitch Ryder’s "Devil in the Blue Dress." Controversial Cat Stevens also stays in the cold despite his dozen or so hits and his influence on singer-songwriters of his era. And I haven’t even raised the idea of Poco, Aaron Neville, the Turtles, Gram Parsons and hitmakers Three Dog Night, whose members made hits for dozens of new songwriters including Harry Nilsson, John Hiatt, Jimmy Cliff, Hoyt Axton, Paul Williams and Randy Newman. The lists go on and on. You can see more names at www.futurerockhall.com. The Hall has caused its own problems over the years. It no longer includes three categories that the Hall introduced, then eliminated: Non-Performers, Side Men and Early Influences. The nominating committee, with a couple of exceptions who are obviously ignored, is simply too young and uneducated in popular music history to select entries in those groupings. It’s a pathetic, ridiculous situation and it must be stopped. Of the new crop, I don’t have much to say that’s positive. Madonna is a steamroller because of the cult of personality. She’s not a rocker, she has a thin voice and she doesn’t write all of her own material. But she’s a force of nature. There’s no stopping Madonna when she wants something. Chances are good she won’t bring Steve Bray, Patrick Leonard, William Orbit and all her writers and producers to the stage. They are Madonna. Chic is a fun idea with great songs, but it was really producer-writer Nile Rodgers and his partner Bernard Summers who made it work as a dance group. Rodgers should be in as a hugely successful producer of music by David Bowie, Ross and others. Summers can be thanked. Chic, however, is not rock. The rest are totally off base, given the above list. Summer was a disco act. For her to get in before Ronstadt is a joke. Mellencamp at least plays rock. But he’s a minor note in the genre’s history. Afrika Bambaataa and the Beastie Boys: Are they kidding? Even the latter must be laughing. They had one big hit, "You’ve Got to Fight for Your Right to Party." The former, while I’m sure quite lovely, is a record-scratcher with a great name. Each of these belongs in a Rap Hall of Fame. And it’s not that I am against hip-hop or rap artists in the Hall of Fame. But Run-DMC is the obvious choice for an act in that genre that crossed into rock. Apart from its own music, Run-DMC’s partnership with Aerosmith on "Walk This Way" brought hip-hop to a new level and standard. No one would argue with its inclusion. Of the two senior acts aside from the DC5, the Ventures probably are a good idea. The Hall lacks instrumentalists. But Cohen should be in as a writer. His morose style never once crossed into rock, and he knows it. Diamond, Sedaka and Simon have among them dozens more actual rock hits as writers and performers. Come on. And Cohen’s songs have not had nearly the same impact on rock as those by Jimmy Webb. He’s also been snubbed by Wenner’s crew. By the way: The Hall of Fame Foundation, which Wenner runs with toadie Joel Peresman, has nothing to do with the Rock and Rock Hall of Fame Museum in Cleveland. "Jann treats the museum like a toy and has no respect for Terry Stewart," an insider says. Stewart runs the museum with no regard for Wenner’s exclusions. Last year, the Hall claimed to have given away only $158,968 of its $12 million war chest to needy musicians. It gave $56,236 to the museum to maintain its own archives. The museum must raise its own money. Peresman is thought to get between $300,000 — what the previous director was paid — and $500,000. New board members include wealthy businessmen Craig Hatkoff (co-founder of the Tribeca Film Festival) and Dirk Ziff (heir to a media fortune), nice guys who have no connection to the music business or rock 'n' roll at all. They’re Wenner’s friends. Famed rocker Jay-Z — ha ha — also has joined. Former inductees to the Hall, by the way, must buy their own tickets to the annual Waldorf-Astoria dinner. Tickets cost $3,500. Few, if any, show up anymore for the big jam session at the end of the night. These selections for 2008 are terrible, but they’re just the beginning of what’s going to be a weird ride, thanks to the new generation. To wit: Kanye West is scheduled to be honored soon by the Chicago branch of the Recording Academy. This means that other artists will have to perform a tribute to him by performing his music. Only: He has no music. West samples existing records. So someone will have to sample a sample to praise him. It’s sad. So: I don’t know anyone who buys or reads Rolling Stone, but someone must, since Wenner Media seems to make money. It can’t all be Us Weekly. Until real rock is served by the Hall of Fame, please don’t buy Rolling Stone or click on any of the ads on its Web site. Then maybe Wenner will get the message that no one can take his Rock and Roll Hall of Fame seriously anymore. Who the hell is Bernard Summers ? ( shit the man is deceased you can atleast get his name right) RIP Bernard Edwards 
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The piece raises some legitimate points. The more we know about the panel and the personal ties among them, the better position we're in to give sound opinions/critiques of their selections.
I also agree that many of the seminal artists of the '70's should be in before many of the 80's nominees. Chubby Checker and Al Green not being in the Hall of Fame is an offense to reasonable people everywhere. Ditto Tina and Joe Tex and Carla and Rufus Thomas, et al. Interesting points about Sedaka and Diamond and Carly Simon; hard to argue with them. It's clear, however, the writer does not know or otherwise doesn't like many of the nominees. Chic, for example. You telling me Nile Rodgers doesn't deserve induction into that Hall? (Their main hits were in the 70's, BTW). If you're judging early hip-hop acts like the Beasties by the number of chart hits, you don't know enough about hip-hop to question their nomination. They happen to have made what many people consider to be the Sgt. Pepper of hip-hop: Paul's Boutique. And they are one of the few, and arguably the most enduring and successful, "reverse crossover" acts in hip-hop or ANY genre of music, for that matter. IMHO. For a Hall of FAME, they certainly might not be on the front of my list, but I didn't laugh at the nod either. Madonna? It's the Hall Of FAME! You can you have a Hall dedicated to popular rock musicians and not include one of the most popular in the history of music? Say what you want about her, when it comes to FAME, she's got it and much more to spare. Bambattaa? Are you kidding me? You're going after the guy who made a record as important to modern music as "The Twist" was to previous generations? Of course, "Planet Rock" is no "Twist," but A-Bam deserves induction as much if not more than the Beasties do. "Planet Rock" is one of the building blocks of hip-hop, arguably the most important form of popular music since rock and roll. There are, to my knowledge, a few one-hit wonders in the Hall. There are a few more who should be. Including Afrika. The piece does well in citing the glaring omissions, but is short-sighted and a little petty when discussing the actual selections. The fact that many were shafted doesn't mean that many who made it aren't deserving. We might want to induct in chronological order, but it never happens that way. But maybe we wouldn't pay as much attention to these Halls of Fame if they never created their own injustices.  [Edited 10/3/07 15:37pm] Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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Correction: Al Green IS in the Hall of Fame, he got inducted in 1995, where y'all been!  [Edited 10/3/07 18:18pm] | |
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Here's Al's page:
How dare that Roger Friedman even FORGET that Al was in the Hall of Fame in the first place, the fuck's wrong with him? http://www.rockhall.com/i...e/al-green  | |
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Also I think they did right with Chubby, they inducted the SONGWRITER to "The Twist" (Mr. Hank Ballard). In fact, Hank's also in there for "Work With Me, Annie" and he only had like three or four hits but he wasn't as much a novelty artist as Chubby turned out to be. That negro (Chubby) got famous off doing too many "twists". People like the Marvelettes, Miracles, Junior Walker & the All-Stars, Billy Preston, Chicago, Hall & Oates and 'em deserved their induction more so than Chubby IMO. 
Aaron Neville too or the Neville Brothers also deserve an induction as does Joe Tex. The thing is people didn't take Tina Turner seriously until 1984 though her solo career started nine years earlier with "Acid Queen". And Diane Ross, why she ain't inducted, is probably for a good reason: she was the BLACK Barbra Streisand. Ain't no way she'd be taken seriously by so-called rock critics and compared to Donna Summer, Donna produced more edgier stuff that can classify as rock & roll so I can see why they have nominated Donna but not Diane. | |
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i had no idea tina turner was not in the hall of fame, out of all the black women she is the most rock n roll of them all. i also thought diana ross was in, how can they skip over these women and put donna summer and madonna before them...why is carly simon not in there? | |
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lowkey said: i had no idea tina turner was not in the hall of fame, out of all the black women she is the most rock n roll of them all. i also thought diana ross was in, how can they skip over these women and put donna summer and madonna before them...why is carly simon not in there?
Politics. Tina's in there with Ike, Diana's in there with the Supremes but it seems because maybe of their career choices, that somehow the Hall of Fame don't want to induct them or something. I think Tina should be in there as a solo artist but under what cost? If she ends up getting nominated, she may be criticized like Madonna is now. Diana Ross would be a good choice for induction but she'd be criticized too since for most of her solo career, she treaded away from the Motown sound she cultivated as member of the Supremes for a more commercial pop sound. She is responsible for people like Donna and Madge but I do feel like there is some kind of thing with the Hall of Fame committee to limit the number of inductees. I'm actually 50/50 with Diane, I'd agree in the past that she should be inducted but right now, I don't know... hell, I think her and Tina getting the Kennedy Center Honors is better than the Hall of Fame. | |
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How can I boycott something I don't buy anyway? And as for the nominees, the all deserve to be nominted. Just because some group of people somewhere thinks some other artist deserves to be nominated too (or instead) doesn't mean that the ones that are already in there or who are being nominated this year don't deserve it. 
PS: who gives a flying fuck anyway? "Half of what I say is meaningless; but I say it so that the other half may reach you." - Kahlil Gibran | |
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Raze said: How can I boycott something I don't buy anyway? And as for the nominees, the all deserve to be nominted. Just because some group of people somewhere thinks some other artist deserves to be nominated too (or instead) doesn't mean that the ones that are already in there or who are being nominated this year don't deserve it.
PS: who gives a flying fuck anyway?  @ your post...
Exactly. I'm okay with it. We know how it works, politics and all. Matter of fact, I'll be HAPPY if Donna gets inducted. That's all that matters... oh and Chic and Bambattaa too.  | |
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Timmy84 said: Correction: Al Green IS in the Hall of Fame, he got inducted in 1995, where y'all been!
[Edited 10/3/07 18:18pm] Well, I was just presuming that this guy had his facts right. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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Timmy84 said: I think [Diana] and Tina getting the Kennedy Center Honors is better than the Hall of Fame.
Agreed. It is arguably the highest honor America can bestow on any artist. It acknowledges a greatness that transcends any particular art form. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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namepeace said: Timmy84 said: Correction: Al Green IS in the Hall of Fame, he got inducted in 1995, where y'all been!
[Edited 10/3/07 18:18pm] Well, I was just presuming that this guy had his facts right. I think the guy was morally pissed off and going off at the emotions. Have you seen what dude looks like? Give him a twinkie or something. | |
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namepeace said: Timmy84 said: I think [Diana] and Tina getting the Kennedy Center Honors is better than the Hall of Fame.
Agreed. It is arguably the highest honor America can bestow on any artist. It acknowledges a greatness that transcends any particular art form. Yep, exactly.  For some artists, getting to the Hall of Fame is a highest accomplishment but to some others, the Kennedy Center Honors (or even a Presidental Medal of Freedom award, which Aretha got recently) is the highest. | |
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Timmy84 said: namepeace said: Well, I was just presuming that this guy had his facts right. I think the guy was morally pissed off and going off at the emotions. Have you seen what dude looks like? Give him a twinkie or something. That's terrible. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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Timmy84 said: namepeace said: Agreed. It is arguably the highest honor America can bestow on any artist. It acknowledges a greatness that transcends any particular art form. Yep, exactly. For some artists, getting to the Hall of Fame is a highest accomplishment but to some others, the Kennedy Center Honors (or even a Presidental Medal of Freedom award, which Aretha got recently) is the highest. I think you just came up with another topic: Which Musicians Do You Think Are Due for Kennedy Honors?????
U should post that. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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Raze said: PS: who gives a flying fuck anyway?
I actually dug that Prince was a first-ballot HOFer. But that's just me. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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namepeace said:[quote] Timmy84 said: I think you just came up with another topic: Which Musicians Do You Think Are Due for Kennedy Honors?????
U should post that. Hmm... interesting, I'll post that right now. | |
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namepeace said: Raze said: PS: who gives a flying fuck anyway?
I actually dug that Prince was a first-ballot HOFer. But that's just me. Me too. But I don't think I could be inspired enough, good or bad, to write as much about my level of interest in any aspect of the RRHOF as the guy who wrote that article did. Hell, I can barely remember to watch it each year. Sometimes I don't. "Half of what I say is meaningless; but I say it so that the other half may reach you." - Kahlil Gibran | |
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Raze said: namepeace said: I actually dug that Prince was a first-ballot HOFer. But that's just me. Me too. But I don't think I could be inspired enough, good or bad, to write as much about my level of interest in any aspect of the RRHOF as the guy who wrote that article did. Hell, I can barely remember to watch it each year. Sometimes I don't. Ha, you weren't missing nothing last year though Patti Smith put on an energetic performance. And I was  when Grandmaster Flash & 'em took the stage. And they had a nice James Brown tribute too.
But other than that, you weren't missing much and did I have to mention Aretha & Ronnie hogging the time?  | |
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Timmy84 said: Raze said: Me too. But I don't think I could be inspired enough, good or bad, to write as much about my level of interest in any aspect of the RRHOF as the guy who wrote that article did. Hell, I can barely remember to watch it each year. Sometimes I don't. Ha, you weren't missing nothing last year though Patti Smith put on an energetic performance. And I was when Grandmaster Flash & 'em took the stage. And they had a nice James Brown tribute too.
But other than that, you weren't missing much and did I have to mention Aretha & Ronnie hogging the time? Oh yeah, I guess I did see that one "Half of what I say is meaningless; but I say it so that the other half may reach you." - Kahlil Gibran | |
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Raze said: Timmy84 said: Ha, you weren't missing nothing last year though Patti Smith put on an energetic performance. And I was when Grandmaster Flash & 'em took the stage. And they had a nice James Brown tribute too.
But other than that, you weren't missing much and did I have to mention Aretha & Ronnie hogging the time? Oh yeah, I guess I did see that one I hope you didn't have to sit through Ronnie's set, she kept blabbing and blabbing and blabbing and blabbing. That was the one time I wished Phil Spector had come out and frighten people with his wig!
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Timmy84 said: Raze said: Oh yeah, I guess I did see that one I hope you didn't have to sit through Ronnie's set, she kept blabbing and blabbing and blabbing and blabbing. That was the one time I wished Phil Spector had come out and frighten people with his wig!
I was like "SHUT UP!!!!!" IIRC, Ronnie was the only one I actually enjoyed. Drunk ass "Half of what I say is meaningless; but I say it so that the other half may reach you." - Kahlil Gibran | |
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Raze said: Timmy84 said: I hope you didn't have to sit through Ronnie's set, she kept blabbing and blabbing and blabbing and blabbing. That was the one time I wished Phil Spector had come out and frighten people with his wig!
I was like "SHUT UP!!!!!" IIRC, Ronnie was the only one I actually enjoyed. Drunk ass She was drunk to talk as if a motor was running her mouth. | |
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