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Printablemidnightmover said: [Edited 10/5/07 21:12pm] Just to be sure no-one's getting their wires crossed here. Are you talking about oldies radio with a soul format, or just a general oldies radio show?[/quote] Soul Format Oldies Midnight | |
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Rodya24 said: Najee said: This is one of those examples where some non-black people think that because they were hollering over post-"Thriller" Michael Jackson, Lionel Richie, Whitney Houston, Tina Turner and other such acts in the mid- to late 1980s that black people were buying them up like hotcakes. That was hardly the case -- the reception of their songs was spotty at best, and some practically were ignored by my peers. That's why some non-black music buyers look bewildered when you mention Luther Vandross' success in the 1980s -- black people for the most part weren't feeling Richie's and Billy Ocean's music as romantic lead singers, they were buying Luther's and Freddie Jackson's albums. Keep in mind a lot of non-black people never really heard of Vandross until "Here and Now" in basically 1990 and to them Jackson was a flash in the pan. [Edited 10/3/07 17:20pm] 
For example, I am in constant shock that such an amazing group such as the Jacksons is often forgotten or overlooked outside of the black community. Especially considering that they're the best selling family in music history, point blank. But nah, just like we always do, black folks gotta talk shit about the people who are already been put down and attacked by the mainstream media too. But we will blast the hell out of soulja boy. White Americans, what? Nothing better to do? Why don't you kick yourself out? You're an immigrant too. -White Stripes | |
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mrsnet said: Also it was the late 80s when MJ began receiving much recognition from BET, Soultrain, NAACP, etc. for his artistic accomplishments ( the Michael Jackson award for instance). In early '93, he was acclaimed as the 'Greatest Entertainer' in American history and awarded at the NAACP awards. These were all Black people. Where were Janets awards and accolades from the black community if she were indeed more embraced? She got none, nada. Why?
mrsnet said: Najee said: Apparently, you got all your facts mixed up: 1.) Michaelmania is generally credited as the "Thriller" album through the "Victory" tour (1983 through early 1985). 2.) It was during the "Bad" album that you saw backlash and resistance to MJ manifest. He was noticeably fairer complexion and was doing bizarre things such as trying to buy John Merrick's remains and sleeping in a hyperbolic chamber. 3.) Talking about people crowding music stores in anticipation to the follow-up to "Thriller" is a lot different from having his music playing constantly in black music outlets. After the initial marketing pushes, generally the singles from "Bad" did not have that much staying power. Really, when was the last time you hear a song from "Bad" played with any regularity on an '80s format soul station? In summation, your comments are general about Michael Jackson when the dicsussion is about his presence in soul music in the late 1980s. If you want to delude yourself that soul music followers embraced his music more than Janet Jackson, much less acts like Luther Vandross, New Edition, Public Enemy and Freddie Jackson you are free to delude yourself. Again, why was Michael Jackson so awarded by the African American organizations? Where was Janet's? Luther's? (And this is so fuuny, lol - New Editions)? I'm through here, you're obviously a hater. LOL. Soul Train http://youtube.com/watch?v=XD7iRqcVR8o NAACP http://youtube.com/watch?v=Lj27gDxbSmQ  [Edited 11/17/07 0:00am] White Americans, what? Nothing better to do? Why don't you kick yourself out? You're an immigrant too. -White Stripes | |
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Michael made up for 'Bad' with 'Dangerous'. Thank God. Not that the album was bad, but it was very lukewarm to say the least.
mrsnet said: lilgish said: MJ existed in his own musical landscape. He would get standing ovations for merely walking on the stage, which still does happen. Janet was coming into her own, had massive radio hits. With MJ, it was no longer about music, he was a commodity unto his own, and he was treated as such. Janet's first two albums had the street, house parties and such. So between 86 - 89 her music was played more. But everyone knew the songs off of Bad, they knew the videos, the commercials, MJ was still releasing singles from the album in 89. MJ back then could promote an album for 3 years. MJ existed in his own musical landscape, much like Madonna, Prince had lost that status in the late 80's.
JJ was hot as all shit!!!! The other girls, possibly just as talented, but didn't have the name, producers, charisma or history. Janet had the street and parties. MJ was on rarefied air. [Edited 10/3/07 21:11pm] Well 'Control' was released in '86, but when 'Bad' came out ('88)it took center stage. It racked up No.1 hit after hit on BET countdown. We're talking BET, not MTV. Donny Simpson jokingly blamed Bad's success for Jermaine's album's lackluster performance. While Janet became a huge crossover artist, Michael lost more of his White audience than Urban during BAD, but still broke records with 5 no.1 songs! The '80s and early '90s, competition for Michael at the Black Awards was like going against Denzel for Best Actor. Michael ALWAYS won. Janet never won any Black awards during this period. And at the end of the day, it is Michael Jackson who all of the young Black artists pay homage to - from Kanye West to Chris Brown; even the girls - from Ciarra to Beyonce, list Michael as their no1 inspiration. Selective now are we? Every black female artists name Janet as their inspiration and idols. Janet surpassed Bad's success by far. Janet Jackson's Rhythm Nation 1814 (commonly titled simply Rhythm Nation 1814 or Rhythm Nation) is the fourth studio album (fifth overall) by American R&B/pop singer Janet Jackson. It was released on September 18, 1989 and became the best-selling album of 1990 in the United States. It is the only album in history to score #1 singles on the Billboard Hot 100 singles chart in three different calendar years (1989-1991). The album is also the only album in history to spawn seven top 5 hits which include four #1 singles, two #2 singles, and one single that reached #4, plus another song that was not commercially released ("State of the World") but reached #5 on the airplay charts. Rhythm Nation 1814 spent four weeks at #1 in the Billboard 200 and a more impressive 35 consecutive weeks inside the Top 5. It spent a total of 108 weeks in the charts.
whatsgoingon said: Timmy84 said: I would agree, I only know "Thriller" having been outsold by "Bad" only in England, I think. But again I ask ain't this about how urban America took to Janet? LOL Yea, but someone had to bring up the myth how Michael sold more of Bad than Thriller outside America, and I refuse to allow that myth to go unchallenge, because it ain't true. As for Janet she sure was more popular than MJ in the urban community in the late 80s, why can't people just accept that instead of bringing up awards and standing ovations, what's that got to do with what people were dancing to in clubs? [Edited 10/4/07 13:15pm] Cause MJ is Yahweh. "Janetisonlyfamouscuzo'herbrother!!!" enthusiasts can't bare the thought of Janet ahead of him in any way possible. lol  White Americans, what? Nothing better to do? Why don't you kick yourself out? You're an immigrant too. -White Stripes | |
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The Black community is a very diverse community. You can't really pin point one particular artist or musical style to define the community in general, it's impossible. Growing up in the late 80s, first of all, it was great because you had a wide variety of Black artist you could choose from. That's why BET's programming back then was so good because it was diverse, you didn't see the same Black artist over and over again. From MJ, Whitney, Lionel, Luther, Prince, Bobby Brown, Run DMC, Public Enemy, Phyllis Hyman, Stephanie Mills, Tracy Chapman, Stevie Wonder, Miles Jaye, Guy, Soul II Soul, Keith Sweat, Al Jarreau, NWA, New Edition, 2 Live Crew, The Winans, even Millie Jackson. As for the original question, Janet was mainly for the young audience, that's when I really had a crush on her, before she got freaky and sexual. Jody Watley, Karyn White and Pebbles was okay, but didn't really catch the young audience like Janet, maybe older, college aged. But Anita Baker was HOTTTTT!!!! . Rapture was THE album to have in 1987.
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