Janet's last album did have #1 R&B hit, so there is still some interest in her somewhere. I can't remember the last time Michael or Prince had a R&b #1

Common people have a little faith in her, remember Prince during the mid 90's to musicology? He was considered a has been.

BTW: Janet still has produced some great work over the last few years. "enjoy" is IMO one of the best songs she has ever done and "i'm here" and "take care" are beautiful.


Listen then judge
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TotalAlisa said:

I think you're sadly mistaken there. More people know of Madonna songs anyway and obviously prefer her music. I bet more people can name Madonna songs than Janet Jackson songs.

I think it's silly to say that just because you are not a fan of Madonna's that she is not an Icon. That's just crazy. You remind me of those people who always hate on Michael and refuse to admit that he has any talent or any impact on pop culture. The point is that just because you dont' like an artist doesn't mean you should downgrade or downplay their accomplishments just because you are not a fan. Madonna is an icon and the Queen of Pop whether you like it or not.
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Cinnamon234 said:

I NEVER TRIED TO HATE on madonna.. I have nothing against her... I think she's cute... and like a few songs... but her music is not appealing to me... just because a song is more well known does NOT mean its better...

madonna is not the queen of pop... maybe if you want to think of her that way.. but majority of people can say she is NOT>..

no one can deny michael is the king of pop.. that was earned...

you guys gave madonna that title..


the same thing your saying im doing with madonna is the thing your doing with janet....

if madonna was that appealing i would like her... she is not...

TotalAlisa said:

R u joking? The majority of people do think Madonna is the Queen of Pop. I mean if Madonna is not the queen of pop then who is? And don't tell me Janet.


And just because you don't think Madonna is appealing don't mean that others don't. I for one happen to love Madonna.

Cinnamon234 said:

I would say mariah carey is the queen of pop before madonna.... and mariah I can say actually earned it...

but honestly there are too many great women out there including cher, tina turner, DIANA ROSS, that have earned that titled...

Madonna said it her self she is NOT the best sing nor dancer.... so why does she deserve that title????

TotalAlisa said:

For impact alone Madonna deserves the title. Madonna has had a huge influence on pop culture and she's made some of the most memorable pop songs ever. She's the biggest selling female artist of all time. She's iconic. Mariah Carey on the other hand is not an icon or a legend. She has not impacted pop culture in any way so there's no way she deserves that title over Madonna.

Who the fuck cares whether or not Madonna is the Queen of Pop. While she has had a great impact on popular culture, entertainment, and music, she is HIGHLY overrated as a singer, dancer, "songwriter," and "producer." She is in the same boat as far as musical talent is concerned with Janet Jackson.

Rodya24 said:

What? Does anyone even rate Madonna as a great singer, dancer or songwriter lol? I don't like Madonna because I think she's a great singer but I love her music and think she's a great entertainer.

TotalAlisa said:

For impact alone Madonna deserves the title. Madonna has had a huge influence on pop culture and she's made some of the most memorable pop songs ever. She's the biggest selling female artist of all time. She's iconic. Mariah Carey on the other hand is not an icon or a legend. She has not impacted pop culture in any way so there's no way she deserves that title over Madonna.

i heard people call janet, mariah, britney queen of pop before... so NO i cant say i agree with you

Cinnamon234 said:

These memorable songs you write about were not "made" by her. She is the face of these songs. The fact that her fans applaud her songwriting and producing talents demonstrates how little they know about music and how the music business works.

JANET is just JANET.....ICON or not she has mad contributions like Prince,Madonna,Michael Jackson.....Ms Jackson will be in the history books....She has done well Global wise....Much luck to Janet Jackson, I will await her return to music, Even though 20 Y.O. did go platinum it is considered a failure for a artist of her magitude. Get Jam & Lewis & Jackson in a studio for 3 months and i am sure MAGIC will happen.

TotalAlisa said:

I think you're sadly mistaken there. More people know of Madonna songs anyway and obviously prefer her music. I bet more people can name Madonna songs than Janet Jackson songs.

I think it's silly to say that just because you are not a fan of Madonna's that she is not an Icon. That's just crazy. You remind me of those people who always hate on Michael and refuse to admit that he has any talent or any impact on pop culture. The point is that just because you dont' like an artist doesn't mean you should downgrade or downplay their accomplishments just because you are not a fan. Madonna is an icon and the Queen of Pop whether you like it or not.
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TotalAlisa said:

Yeah right, this is why "Like A Prayer" was voted the best music video of all time by MTV viewers just a few years ago . Now I think Janet has made some really great videos, but I think overall Madonna's are more creative.


Madonna also seems more sincere to me, I believe her when she sings. With Janet however, her message just never really seemed sincere to me in her songs. While I do enjoy a lot of her work and think "Rhythm Nation" is a great album I never really believed her when she was singing about "making the world a better place" on songs like "State of The World" and "The Knowledge". Nice songs, but I didn't buy it for one second. Janet is only believable when she's singing about sex IMO whereas Madonna is believable when it comes to singing about a variety of things. She just comes across as more sincere. When Janet sings these songs she just comes across as phoney to me and she has never created anything as incredible and thought provoking as "Like A Prayer". "Velvet Rope" is the only album that came close. It exhibited a moment of true creativity on Janet's part, but that of course did not last for long.

The only thing Janet has over Madonna IMO is that she is a better dancer. As far as performing goes, I think they are both almost equal. Both are great performers but Madonna is not all about "image" like many believe.Madonna would NOT have lasted in this business this long if the music wasn't good. Madonna has made some of the most memorable pop songs ever. She didn't sell all the records she's sold and hasn't been in this business this long because of controversy.
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TotalAlisa said:

Blonde Ambitin is light years ahead of anything Janet has done tour wise.

as much as i love janet over any of the other divas mentioned, i have 2 get real and say that what makes a janet show a good time, it's her dancing moves. Can janet keep doing the same moves when she's say 45? i highly doubt it. so i would say a big help 2 her touring career, would b learning a instrument like madonna has. just my opinion

Now, you're doing the exact same thing you're getting on the person from above for doing. Just because YOU feel that way doesn't mean it's that way and others feel the same as you. It's almost like you're shoving your feelings and belief down the throat of some. It's really a matter of opinion. You feel your way and other folks feel their way about Janet and Madonna. It's doesn't make some right, but it doesn't make others wrong either. OPINION!

I see some Americans still haven't realised that Janet was a phenomenon in the US only. In Europe, she was a star, but not a phenomenon. There's a big difference. As for this touring business some of you need to wake up and realise something. Your girl was only ever in it for ego food, and her fragile self esteem was fed by success, not love of music. I guarantee you if Prince never sold another record, he would still tour because it's who he is. It's what he does. Cyndi Lauper hasn't had a hit in 18 years, but she's never stopped regularly performing and touring. Because it's who she is. It's what she does. The same goes for a hundred other ex-stars who still tour. Janet is not in that bracket. She has no love of the craft because she knows in her heart what her fans are blind to, and that is that she's only ever been as good as her choreographer and her budget. She's the kind of star who could not have emerged in the pre MTV days when you had to pay your dues before live audiences.

She CANNOT perform without dancers. Those dancers need to be paid for. If she were to tour without them, her shortcomings would be too obvious. She was a construct from day one. She could never sing and her every move was choreographed by others. You all were worshipping a muppet. The muppet took validation from numbers. The numbers are down now, so what's left to motivate her to tour? Remember, Janet had her career handed to her on a plate. She never performed in shit dives for chump change like Madonna did. Janet wouldn't have had the dedication to go through that. She's a spoilt rich girl. She ain't gonna turn into a hard grafter now.
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Janet's last album did have #1 R&B hit, so there is still some interest in her somewhere. I can't remember the last time Michael or Prince had a R&b #1

Common people have a little faith in her, remember Prince during the mid 90's to musicology? He was considered a has been.

BTW: Janet still has produced some great work over the last few years. "enjoy" is IMO one of the best songs she has ever done and "i'm here" and "take care" are beautiful.


Listen then judge
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DawnD

Right. It's all my opinion, I said that from the beginning. Everyone is entitled to their opinions but it's also my right to disagree. That's what a discussion board is for. This place would be pretty boring anyway if everyone always agreed on everything.

mancabdriver said:

Folks actually just don't want to like her. That's their choice. But, damn!

ehuffnsd said:

AGAIN, OPINION! I'd love to hear some facts and why the facts exists in terms of their concerts.

DawnD said:

I disagree. I think people do want to give Janet a chance and I think people want to see her do well, but her output as of lately has been mediocre compared with her past work.

Cinnamon234 said:

I love Janet!!! always have. She was my number two until i discovered the Minogues.

I came out to Velvet Rope.

I'd love to have an album like that from her again.

ehuffnsd said:

I'd also love it if she came out with an album with a sound that was similar and as creative as "Velvet Rope". I actually do like Janet's music (though it may be hard to tell in this thread lol) and would really like to see her do well.

totaldiva said:

Janet has never been and never will be an icon on the level of Madonna. Madonna is a global icon like Michael Jackson, The Beatles, and Elvis Presley. Janet Jackson, on the other hand, had a consistent run of hits for about 15 years, and had huge success in the US. But an icon on the level of Madonna -- no.

I agree with you that she needs to have an image and music makeover.

TotalAlisa said:

She isn't blacklisted. Her quality of output is down and people aren't interested in buying the same album 3 times with each repeat being not much better or worse than the one before.

totaldiva said:

Actually Madonna is in the same league as Michael Jackson if you're talking about worldwide popularity and success.