Timmy84 said:

Well, this reasoning is ridiculous, as is this post, but if you don't accept it as a new album because of the old songs, then it is also no greatest hits collection because of the new songs! There are 15 old and 15 new! So it's either both, a new album and a greatest hits collection or nothing, since they cancel each other out!

Timmy84 said:

Well, it does! It's at least an EP! All this nitpicking is ridiculous and tiring anyway... it was promoted as a fullfletched release, so it does count! Period!

Nitpicking my ass, I'm just having a discussion. I'm not even looking for an argument, dude. You often get into entanglements at MJJF.

EmbattledWarrior said:

LOL...

What does BSTA mean anyway?

It actually took the trial for me to get into this song (probably because I didn't know too much about who "DS" was before then.) MJ's vocals here, and really on the entire album, are exceptionally funky. Slash was good, as always. And you gotta love the opening lyric. Thant has to be one of the better song openers in music.
[Edited 10/2/07 9:21am]

Timmy84 said:

Huh? What has MJJF has to do with this?? What entanglements?? The last entanglement I've been in had to do with Prince and idiots not wanting us to talk about him! And talking about MJJF, you sing a totally different tune about Michael over there!

And yes, you are nitpicking! HIStory is an album! BOTDF is an EP!

say what? what bizzarro world have i entered that folks actually like this craptastic song? im reading the posts here trying to see humor in the accolades. please...please...for the love of humanity, please tell me this thread is a joke.

PatrickS77 said:

Nah, man, I'm just saying though, you do.

And like I said, I'm just having a discussion. But believe what you believe. It's all good.

sosgemini said:

sosgemini said:

Please are entitled to have their opinions with songs. At first I thought this song was shit. Now I think it is fantastic. There are several Michael Jackson songs I dislike, so it is not like we fawn over everything he does.

Rodya24 said:

you seriously need to lighten the f*ck up.

I hate it when sensitivity results in arguments and boards being turned into "you can't say that" vs. "oh shut the fuck up!"

Like Roberta & Donny used to say, "where is the love?"

sosgemini said:

Rodya24 said:

See what I mean?

Timmy84 said:

Oh well, whatever!


I don't think the "BSTA" stands for anything!

I think he sings:

"He think's he's hot 'cause he's the best D.A."

It also could mean BS D.A. as in bullshit!

In the lyrics it also says

"He want your vote just to remain TA"

Even though he sings something different! I'm pretty sure though that the TA refers to D.A. District Attorney!

sosgemini said:

Well, it's not an artistical high quality song, but it serves the purpose to take a shot at Sneddon! And for that it's a great song! It's a guilty pleasure, so to say! I appreciated it a lot during the trial time! There is nothing better than to drive into Santa Barbara at night and listen to that song!
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Timmy84 said:

But that's the beauty of it. Disc 1 contains songs that are full of life, joyous and fun. The songs on the first disc span from 1979 to 1991. But disc 2 contains songs that are angry and painful. Disc 2's songs were recorded in 1994 and 1995. So when you hear this contrast between the discs you have to ask yourself, what on earth happened between 1991 and 1994? What made Michael Jackson so from "I wanna rock with you all night" to "stop fucking with me coz it makes it wanna scream"? Well something very significant happened to MJ in 1993, which I'm sure you are all aware of. When you realise the contrast between discs and you think about what happened between 91 and 94, that's when you realise how much the allegations really affected Michael.

IMO, HIStory is a fantastic record because it documents Michael's life perfectly. From a fun-loving song and dance man, to a hated, betrayed and lonely man. He couldn't have made that point any better than by coupling HIStory with a greatest hits disc.

Timmy84 said:

Santa Barbara District Attorney. Swap the B and the S and replace T with a D. It's how he avoided a lawsuit. Well, not really. Because even though he avoided a sladour lawsuit, DS himself hit him with a bigger lawsuit 8 years later.

DarlingDiana said:

Oh I understand. But I just feel it would've been better had it just been about the pain, you know? Because it was gonna get the reviews that it was gonna get. And it DID get an Album of the Year Grammy nod so apparently we weren't the only ones digging it, lol.

DarlingDiana said:

So he changed the initials to avoid a lawsuit?

Yes!

Timmy84 said:

I know it seems ridiculous, but it was Tom Sneddon he was dealing with. You never know what he's going to try and sue you for.

I haven't heard the song in a while, but does MJ also accuse Tom Sneddon of being in the KKK? I think I remember a lyrics like that or something. I'm going to have to go listen to it. If he does indeed make that accusation, that's pretty intense. Katherine (his mother) also accused Tom Sneddon of being in the Aryan Nations. Or was it his son? She either accused Sneddon or his son of being in the AN. Which is like the KKK. I wonder if there's any truth behind either claim. It would definately make Sneddon's motive for lynching MJ apparent.

DarlingDiana said:

Yeah, that makes even more sense... some times it's so easy!

DarlingDiana check out the first page of this thread! It says "You think he brother with the KKK?". And yes, it was the son who was accused!
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DarlingDiana said:

The lyric was "You think he brother with the KKK?"

I honestly don't know what was going on with that lyric but apparently, Sneddon just laughed at it when he heard it so I don't know. Apparently, I think he knew the song was about him.

I remember when Mike got arrested and Jermaine's greasy ass ( ) called Larry King and yelled "THIS IS A MEDIA LYNCHING!" and shit, lol.

Timmy84 said:

That was hell funny. His whole rant was hilarious. Not what he was saying (for the most part) but just because he was so damn angry. I couldn't help buy laugh. He's a sweet kid, but dude does some odd things some times. I guess it runs in the family. lol

DarlingDiana said:

They are odd but we love 'em.

HIStory is a gem. It's that same vortex of brilliance as The Gold Experience and TTD's Vibrator

I'm puzzled. After reading the lyrics 2 this track, Mj clearly has a certain perspective on Tom. With this in mind, why would Mike put himself in a position 2 get caught up by Tom a second time?

I certainly hope that Mike has learned a lesson.

Graycap23 said:

Personally I thought after the first allegations, I would think Mike move permanently to Europe to avoid it but apparently he tried to be Mr. Bad Ass in front of him.

Timmy84 said:

Agreed.

Graycap23 said:

Well Tom Sneddon has been sued by others before for using unprofessional tactics so Michael is not the only one who has a problem with him, but I do agree that MJ should have not put himself in a bad situation again but after seeing that interview he did with Diane Sawyer in 1994, I can't say I was suprised that this happened again. I remember when Diane asked MJ if the sleepovers would stop and he said no and I thought to myself "What an idiot"! I'm sorry, I love MJ but he has no one to blame but himself for the second time.

I think MJ felt like no one could tell him what to do so he decided to continue to have the sleep overs and look what happened? Michael has got to be one of the most self destructive people i've ever seen. He just seems to like getting in one mess after the next.

I think the trial was a wakeup call though. He hasn't been doing anything crazy lately or hanging out with any kids that are not related to him. I think he has finally learned his lesson but he's had to pay a big price for his stubborness and stupidity.

Cinnamon234 said:

I hope that u are correct.