dag said:

You don't know the beginning of it.

I won't even get into it now, I'll give you the run through later.

Timmy84 said:

Here, here!

Hell, both of us are fans of his music, and here we are discussing his nanny/wife.

floetcist said:

Please share and dispel the rumors of her and Bain manipulating Michael Jackson. We all would appreciate it.

Rodya24 said:

Maybe cause thats what the topic is about...


Oh Em Gee!
We actually stayed on topic in an MJ thread.

Neverland has reopened its gates

Rodya24 said:

Oh shit, I quoted the wrong post. Sorry about that.

I was referring to the Lisa Marie/Debbie Rowe how everyone hates them and all that. My fault.

Rodya24 said:

Maybe cause thats what the topic is about...


Oh Em Gee!
We actually stayed on topic in an MJ thread.

Neverland has reopened its gates

Wooo chile. Okay, I'll start with Lisa Marie. Where do I begin..

So starting off, this bitch is loose. During the promotion of her album in 2003, all the she was ever asked about in interviews were either Michael or her father (like we give two shits about her). She took this stance on how Michael manipulated her, used her [sic] and what not, right? Priscilla (her moms) are both scientologists. Priscilla HATES Michael. She may not say it right upfront, but she does. On their Oprah interview, she basically said that Michael was copying off of Elvis with Neverland supposedly being based off Graceland.

As you know, 2003-05 were not exactly pleasant years for MJ. So mind you, during the most turmoil stage in his life, where he is possibly being sentenced to jail for 20 years or more, he has his ex-wife speaking ill of him. When asked about this [the trial] one of her quotes were '...its not my mess to clean up anymore' and I also recall her saying the trial was a 'blessing' because she didn't have to testify. I can't remember why, but I think it has something to do with 1993 and legalities of that case. Sorry, I'm not court savvy.

LMP seems to forget that after their divorce, they were still very much together (be it friends or not, is still significant) until a good 1999. (They had secretly wed in the Dominican Republic in 1993 or '94, I believe. There are pictures too. I don't see how she would still be with her evil manipulator). This means even during his marriage to Debbie, which I think we had discuss in one of the other 1029840359034583 MJ threads. Even Rowe herself said that MJ was still in love with her.

But for some reason I don't know why, there is a few number of MJ fans who are also fans of LMP - her music and her relationship with MJ. I see the trend that LMP fans tend to have hostile feelings about Grace (you know, shes evil and all that). But when asked, they give some half-assed vague answer into why. People hate me for saying this, but I wouldn't put it past them if that one of the reasons is that shes black. YEAH I SAID IT. But anyway... I can't phantom in the least why an MJ fan can like Lisa, after all she's said about him. But I'm sure they think her intentions are pure. Its like a Janet fan jonesing for Justin Timberlake. Okay, not the best analogy buts all I can think of at the moment.

I wanna get into Debbie, because I said what I had to say about **** LMP. Debbie is the ultimate gold digger, ho, and whore. This woman, IMO, was a plant to be in MJ's life. That man NEVER loved that nasty piece of shit. I was LIVID when some MJ board did an appreciation thread on Debbie because she said "positive things" about MJ during the trial. (I have some part of Debbie's transcript from the trial and I was just floored.) However, when a former friend of a member came forward and told her story, those fans, esp. that owner, bashed, defamed, and belittled her. The owner even closed the thread and deleted the thread. However, there is a similar thread at MJNO that I can still introduce you too. Her friend was black, young and MJ LOVED her. Her story was real and touching. These fans who defend that fool never tell you how "great" Debbie is. They will just tell you, "she gave MJ children". How does that make her great? She gave MJ children, got paid, and left. So, how is she great? She was a ho because a ho gets paid to have sex with men and that is what she did to MJ. She left his children and went to the damn media and started talking about this man's children like she was paid to that.

http://www.mjnewsonline.c...hp?t=52907
http://www.mj-upbeat.com/...Harris.htm

Unfortunately, the interview where it was original on the justicesystem.net website (and the YouTube link) are both unavailable.

On top of that, during the trial, like a year before she testified on the stand, she was going on the ET/Insider (that show PAYS for interviews) and started talking shit about her situations with MJ. She is friends with Ian Drew, one of the plants that Us Weekly hired to created nasty, defaming stories on MJ. That quads story - Us Weekly made that up and I would not be shocked if Debbie received money from that story. You also had to remember that if Debbie were to talk shit about MJ in the trial, Thomas Mesereau had 40 VOLUMES, not chapters, not sections, VOLUMES against that fat piece of shit that would made her look like the fool that she is.

Now, I told you that a poster on one of those MJ boards were personal friends with Debbie. That fool would defend that woman like it was nothing. It was disgusting. She said that "Remember the Time" was about Debbie, however, MJ dedicated that song to Diana Ross. So, how can that song be about Debbie? Like you mentioned, Debbie was nothing but a crazy fan who followed MJ everywhere because MJ couldn't say no to her. There are still fans that want to be believe that MJ was in love with Debbie! Get the fuck out of my face with that bullshit! LOL! If MJ was in love with that bitch, then why did he cheat on her constantly? Why was he still seeing LMP while he was with her? Why did a former P.R. guy who worked for MJ for years said that it if MJ did not love his children, marrying Debbie would have been the WORSE MISTAKE IN HIS LIFE. That is a VERY strong statement. So, why aren't these stupid fans getting it to their heads that Debbie was a plant, IMO, by Sony to make sure that a white woman will get something with MJ? How come Sony (Epic/CBS Records at the time) made sure Romonica Harris did not marry Michael Jackson? They made sure that LMP and Debbie were in his life to tell the black community that MJ does not want anything to do with the black women! That is not a belief, that is a fact.

^^^^^ Thanks to PhillyBee who posted that. Unfortunately, I can't take the credit for being that cool, lol.

Michael fancies Blondes?
http://www.mjnewsonline.c...hp?t=88455

My username there is floacist. Watch me murder those bitches (in particular, Treasured Soul) like cattles being slaughtered near toward the end of thread, which was of course, then closed because MJNO can't handle real talk.

I know this is going to be a lot for you to read, but you asked for it LOL!

MODERATORS.

Please lock this thread. Nobody has been (or will be) able to answer the topic question. I mean just look at the post above, regurgitating what anonymous nobodies have written in other forums...

floetcist said:

As you know I also think Lisa Marie is . But I had no idea about Debbie Rowe until reading this. How sad.

But there are quite a number of holes in your argument. How would SONY "plant" Debbie in Michael Jackson's life? Why?

Also, how are you so sure that Grace is not a manipulator? Since Michael Jackson seems to be surrounded by those who do not have his interest at heart, what makes you trust this Grace person and Bain?

Wait... Do I really want to know? No. Since this is all speculation anyway.

Perhaps we should close this thread...
[Edited 9/29/07 17:47pm]

papaaisaway said:

hater

floetcist said:

As you know I also think Lisa Marie is . But I had no idea about Debbie Rowe until reading this. How sad.

But there are quite a number of holes in your argument. How would SONY "plant" Debbie in Michael Jackson's life? Why?

Also, how are you so sure that Grace is not a manipulator? Since Michael Jackson seems to be surrounded by those who do not have his interest at heart, what makes you trust this Grace person and Bain?

Wait... Do I really want to know? No. Since this is all speculation anyway.

Perhaps we should close this thread...
[Edited 9/29/07 17:47pm]

Rodya24 said:

I already said I was quoting someone else about Debbie. I can't answer your question directly.

Wooo chile. Okay, I'll start with Lisa Marie. Where do I begin..

So starting off, this bitch is loose. During the promotion of her album in 2003, all the she was ever asked about in interviews were either Michael or her father (like we give two shits about her). She took this stance on how Michael manipulated her, used her [sic] and what not, right? Priscilla (her moms) are both scientologists. Priscilla HATES Michael. She may not say it right upfront, but she does. On their Oprah interview, she basically said that Michael was copying off of Elvis with Neverland supposedly being based off Graceland.

As you know, 2003-05 were not exactly pleasant years for MJ. So mind you, during the most turmoil stage in his life, where he is possibly being sentenced to jail for 20 years or more, he has his ex-wife speaking ill of him. When asked about this [the trial] one of her quotes were '...its not my mess to clean up anymore' and I also recall her saying the trial was a 'blessing' because she didn't have to testify. I can't remember why, but I think it has something to do with 1993 and legalities of that case. Sorry, I'm not court savvy.

LMP seems to forget that after their divorce, they were still very much together (be it friends or not, is still significant) until a good 1999. (They had secretly wed in the Dominican Republic in 1993 or '94, I believe. There are pictures too. I don't see how she would still be with her evil manipulator). This means even during his marriage to Debbie, which I think we had discuss in one of the other 1029840359034583 MJ threads. Even Rowe herself said that MJ was still in love with her.

But for some reason I don't know why, there is a few number of MJ fans who are also fans of LMP - her music and her relationship with MJ. I see the trend that LMP fans tend to have hostile feelings about Grace (you know, shes evil and all that). But when asked, they give some half-assed vague answer into why. People hate me for saying this, but I wouldn't put it past them if that one of the reasons is that shes black. YEAH I SAID IT. But anyway... I can't phantom in the least why an MJ fan can like Lisa, after all she's said about him. But I'm sure they think her intentions are pure. Its like a Janet fan jonesing for Justin Timberlake. Okay, not the best analogy buts all I can think of at the moment.

I wanna get into Debbie, because I said what I had to say about **** LMP. Debbie is the ultimate gold digger, ho, and whore. This woman, IMO, was a plant to be in MJ's life. That man NEVER loved that nasty piece of shit. I was LIVID when some MJ board did an appreciation thread on Debbie because she said "positive things" about MJ during the trial. (I have some part of Debbie's transcript from the trial and I was just floored.) However, when a former friend of a member came forward and told her story, those fans, esp. that owner, bashed, defamed, and belittled her. The owner even closed the thread and deleted the thread. However, there is a similar thread at MJNO that I can still introduce you too. Her friend was black, young and MJ LOVED her. Her story was real and touching. These fans who defend that fool never tell you how "great" Debbie is. They will just tell you, "she gave MJ children". How does that make her great? She gave MJ children, got paid, and left. So, how is she great? She was a ho because a ho gets paid to have sex with men and that is what she did to MJ. She left his children and went to the damn media and started talking about this man's children like she was paid to that.

http://www.mjnewsonline.c...hp?t=52907
http://www.mj-upbeat.com/...Harris.htm

Unfortunately, the interview where it was original on the justicesystem.net website (and the YouTube link) are both unavailable.

On top of that, during the trial, like a year before she testified on the stand, she was going on the ET/Insider (that show PAYS for interviews) and started talking shit about her situations with MJ. She is friends with Ian Drew, one of the plants that Us Weekly hired to created nasty, defaming stories on MJ. That quads story - Us Weekly made that up and I would not be shocked if Debbie received money from that story. You also had to remember that if Debbie were to talk shit about MJ in the trial, Thomas Mesereau had 40 VOLUMES, not chapters, not sections, VOLUMES against that fat piece of shit that would made her look like the fool that she is.

Now, I told you that a poster on one of those MJ boards were personal friends with Debbie. That fool would defend that woman like it was nothing. It was disgusting. She said that "Remember the Time" was about Debbie, however, MJ dedicated that song to Diana Ross. So, how can that song be about Debbie? Like you mentioned, Debbie was nothing but a crazy fan who followed MJ everywhere because MJ couldn't say no to her. There are still fans that want to be believe that MJ was in love with Debbie! Get the fuck out of my face with that bullshit! LOL! If MJ was in love with that bitch, then why did he cheat on her constantly? Why was he still seeing LMP while he was with her? Why did a former P.R. guy who worked for MJ for years said that it if MJ did not love his children, marrying Debbie would have been the WORSE MISTAKE IN HIS LIFE. That is a VERY strong statement. So, why aren't these stupid fans getting it to their heads that Debbie was a plant, IMO, by Sony to make sure that a white woman will get something with MJ? How come Sony (Epic/CBS Records at the time) made sure Romonica Harris did not marry Michael Jackson? They made sure that LMP and Debbie were in his life to tell the black community that MJ does not want anything to do with the black women! That is not a belief, that is a fact.

^^^^^ Thanks to PhillyBee who posted that excerpt about Debbie. Unfortunately, I can't take the credit for being that cool, lol. Every time I think of Debbie I have to quote that post. But anyway, I wrote the LMP part.

Michael fancies Blondes?
http://www.mjnewsonline.c...hp?t=88455

My username there is floacist. Watch me murder those bitches (in particular, Treasured Soul) like cattles being slaughtered near toward the end of thread, which was of course, then closed because MJNO can't handle real talk.

I know this is going to be a lot for you to read, but you asked for it LOL!
[Edited 9/29/07 17:53pm]

ANd don't get me started about MJNO. Those fans are mostly 12-17 years old and know nothing. One fan posted she didn't get the shock people had when the Bad video came out and his new facial changes. She even said he looked better.

I'm white and I'd have gladly tapped MJ anytime from the late '70s to any point during the '80s (yes, including the Bad era), but afterwards... that's a different story. (He *did* look alright in the "In The Closet" and "Remember The Time" vids, though.)

And as for his former two marriages, I think the LMP one was mainly just for image and the Rowe one just for babies. But I'm tellin' ya... if it's true him and LMP really did do the nasty, I dunno WHAT the hell she woulda found sexually desireable about an overeffeminate plastic surgery nightmare.

floetcist said:

DAYUM!!!!!

I too think many of the fans hate Grace because she's black. There's a thread on the KOP board about Michael's relationship with Tatiana Thumbtzen and it became a war between fans. ANd don't get me started about MJNO. Those fans are mostly 12-17 years old and know nothing. One fan posted she didn't get the shock people had when the Bad video came out and his new facial changes. She even said he looked better.

Floeticst, I didn't even look at that thread about Michael preferring blondes because I've read all before.

And the disdain Priscilla has for Michael is hilarious. If you've seen the clip of the Elvis tribute show from 1994 when they introduced Priscilla, Lisa Marie, aMichael and Janet, you could see the anger on her face and Michael didn't give a flying fuck.

Some fans are so stuck up LMP's non-existant ass it's crazy.

"That was the happiest he looked in a long time"
Of course he was happy. When you're getting coochie on a regular basis, you have a good reason to be happy!

squiddyren said:

While I agree with you that Michael Jackson's looks diminished greatly after Thriller due to plastic surgery, I question your chose of words to describe his appearance. The underlining sexism is disturbing. Moreover, perhaps you should re-evaluate your definition of sexual desire. Just my observations.

Rodya24 said:

Waitaminute, what? Sexism?

And I dunno, it's just my opinion ... if he floated her boat, whatever, but I personally wouldn't understand why. I understand more than just physical attraction goes into sexual relations, but MJ, man... bitch was lookin' straight up plastic Barbie doll (although not to the degree we've been seeing it throughout the '00s) by the time he and Lisa were married. I just don't get how that'd be attractive in any way, but like I said, it's all in opinion.

I mean, I found parts of the Bad era lurvely , and some people would think I'm INSANE for that, so....

bboy87 said:

That's why I can't take these new, non-black MJ fans. "Less black" means more beautiful in their eyes. Bunch of f--king a-holes.

squiddyren said:

The fact that you described "overeffeminate" as a derogatory characteristic -- hence the sexism.

But this is your opinion.

We can agree to disagree.

uPtoWnNY said:

Which is scary, because Michael looks like a abnormal non-human looking creature. But beautiful because he is white...? God just thinking about this subject gets me fired up. I wish these people were to meet me. I wish they WOULD say that shit to my face.

Since you told me that you had already seen that MJNO fancies blonde thread, what did you think [and of what I said]?

Sorry, when that bitch said she was half African after I put her in her place I screamed out laughing. Hoe sit down. I still can't believe or get over Treasured Soul when she said "them". That bitch has some nerve. "THEM?!" :-O And on top of that, she had no idea why it was so offensive! Yeah, half African my ass. I would of loved to have had the opportunity to ask her what part of Africa was she from. She'd be like uhh...I don't know.

And don't even get me started on that "What if Michael went blonde?" thread with that ridiculous disturbing manipulated photoshopped pictures of Michael with blue eyes and blonde hair. 90% of them were like ZZOOMGG!!!!!111 HE LOOKS SO HOOOTTT!!!

I'm not a violent person but...
Yeah, you already know what I'd like to do to them.

floetcist said:

Sure a number of these fans who think he looks beautiful are racists, but have you ever considered the possibility that some think he is good-looking not because he is white but because of their fanaticism?

The reason I like Grace for Michael, and the reason I think many a MJ fans don't like Grace (besides her being black) is because she isn't a MJ fan source. She isn't a Karen Faye (ex-make up artist) or any of those other bitches like that who fans demand information from. Grace don't play. They think shes 'rude' to fans because she isn't like that; and some claim that when they were around Michael, screaming and asking questions Grace basically ignored them and wouldn't allow it. Especially when France, Comforter and/or the Artist formerly known as Prince were around.

And theres of course, the whole shes keeping Michael locked in a dungeon drugging him up sort of rumor.

Right, because if they really thought that was really true, why don't they invest-ta-ma-gate the situation and protest, if Michael's life was really being jeopardized by the Evil Governess? Shouldn't they be concerned? Hell no.

Rodya24 said:

Yeah that too. Which is a dangerous combination.

floetcist said:

I have a question for you that is not related (could be but I have no idea) to this Grace person: Do you think Bain has been doing a good job? Is she trust-worthy?