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Reply #60 posted 09/28/07 9:43pm

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it has been confirmed that he's NOT married
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Reply #61 posted 09/28/07 10:57pm

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I remember watching this interview with Joe and whatshisface Jackson family friend, and the interviewer implied that Michael may be gay by asking if he had a "...girlfriend or boyfriend" and Joe and the friend went NUTS. You can tell they hated homosexuality. And Joseph added that if you thought he hates [gays] he mentioned Katherine. Now I doubt she would be about it like he did, but as a Jehovah's Witness that isn't surprising [beliefs]. This was circa 1992.

You know what was said? When asked if Joe knew about Michael regurgitation at the mere presense of him [sic] he laughed, and said that he didn't know, but if he did [vomit] he went all to the bank. (I'm paraphrasing).

I couldn't believe he said it like that.

Timmy84 said:

Rodya24 said:



I have wondered about that, too. Either Michael Jackson can be controlled quite easily or he is homosexual.


Well see this is when things are complicated. We know about the love-hate relationship between Michael and Father Joseph, right? Well if Mike was gay, you think with all the gay celebrities coming out that he'll come out, right? Well he has a problem: Joe Jackson denounced his son being gay in a London interview not too long before the trial started and also had a problem with homosexuality. Michael said that he and his father are just coming to terms with themselves. If Michael suddenly decided to "come out", his father would either disown him or tell him to seek a therapist (I think he'd go for the latter).

I don't think Michael's gay, I think he's morally confused. He's been fucked since birth: crazy but determined dad, Jehovah Witness-devoted mother, eight other siblings, division between being a devout JW and being an entertainer and forgetting childhood things he probably did because of the things he was thrust upon to get ahead.

But I say he's more better off than the other tortured artist, Marvin Gaye. He also had a fucked-up upbringing and lost himself in drugs and paranoia before his father took him out of his misery. Michael's situation is actually more complex than Marvin's in which his whole life is like a divided temple of thoughts. You do one thing but say another.


Michael should of done that a long time ago falloff

DarlingDiana said:

A lot of journalists often browse MJ forums. I was speaking to one who assures me that Bain's denial is no different to the denial Michael's people issued about his and Lisa Marie's marraige and his marriage to Debbie Hoe. No idea who the journalist is or who he/she works for but they are certain that MJ is married to Grace.

I also learnt some disturbing details about MJ's PR team. Alot of people how work for him don't really give a shit about him, they just think it looks good on their CV to have worked for Michael Jackson. So they have no moral objection to telling the press details about MJ's private life. That's how the press know about the marriage, his finacial problems and his drug use.

It's Bain's job to deny all this. Somehow she has managed to get MJ's fans under her thumb so that anything she says they believe. How many times have you heard an MJ fan say "I wont believe it until Bain denies/confirms it" or "well that's settled now that Bain's denied/confirmed it". Like what she's saying is gospel truth. It hasn't occured to most fans that it's part of her job as PR manager to paint a good picture of MJ.

It's a classic PR technique to deny any marriage or romantic/sexual relationship of a celebrity. That way they appear single and desirable. And of course, what PR manager in their right mind would confirm their clients drug and money problems? Bain's not stupid.

MJ's married folks. Has been for a while now.



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Reply #62 posted 09/28/07 11:00pm

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DarlingDiana said:

A lot of journalists often browse MJ forums. I was speaking to one who assures me that Bain's denial is no different to the denial Michael's people issued about his and Lisa Marie's marraige and his marriage to Debbie Hoe. No idea who the journalist is or who he/she works for but they are certain that MJ is married to Grace.

I also learnt some disturbing details about MJ's PR team. Alot of people how work for him don't really give a shit about him, they just think it looks good on their CV to have worked for Michael Jackson. So they have no moral objection to telling the press details about MJ's private life. That's how the press know about the marriage, his finacial problems and his drug use.

It's Bain's job to deny all this. Somehow she has managed to get MJ's fans under her thumb so that anything she says they believe. How many times have you heard an MJ fan say "I wont believe it until Bain denies/confirms it" or "well that's settled now that Bain's denied/confirmed it". Like what she's saying is gospel truth. It hasn't occured to most fans that it's part of her job as PR manager to paint a good picture of MJ.

It's a classic PR technique to deny any marriage or romantic/sexual relationship of a celebrity. That way they appear single and desirable. And of course, what PR manager in their right mind would confirm their clients drug and money problems? Bain's not stupid.

MJ's married folks. Has been for a while now.

I agree on everything except for the drug problem.

I also think Michael's not gay. I remember when that reporter asked him if he was. Michael said he wasn't gay but he knew some of his fans were gay and he didn't want to offend them in any way. Don't forget the story about the guy who tried to put the moves on him at the mall in the 80s
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Reply #63 posted 09/28/07 11:01pm

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bboy87 said:

DarlingDiana said:

A lot of journalists often browse MJ forums. I was speaking to one who assures me that Bain's denial is no different to the denial Michael's people issued about his and Lisa Marie's marraige and his marriage to Debbie Hoe. No idea who the journalist is or who he/she works for but they are certain that MJ is married to Grace.

I also learnt some disturbing details about MJ's PR team. Alot of people how work for him don't really give a shit about him, they just think it looks good on their CV to have worked for Michael Jackson. So they have no moral objection to telling the press details about MJ's private life. That's how the press know about the marriage, his finacial problems and his drug use.

It's Bain's job to deny all this. Somehow she has managed to get MJ's fans under her thumb so that anything she says they believe. How many times have you heard an MJ fan say "I wont believe it until Bain denies/confirms it" or "well that's settled now that Bain's denied/confirmed it". Like what she's saying is gospel truth. It hasn't occured to most fans that it's part of her job as PR manager to paint a good picture of MJ.

It's a classic PR technique to deny any marriage or romantic/sexual relationship of a celebrity. That way they appear single and desirable. And of course, what PR manager in their right mind would confirm their clients drug and money problems? Bain's not stupid.

MJ's married folks. Has been for a while now.

I agree on everything except for the drug problem.


ditto. I forgot to add that.
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Reply #64 posted 09/29/07 2:17am

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Rodya24 said:

Another thing: Michael Jackson must be drugged up to not fire these people on his PR team. He is an intelligent and shrewd person, and from the interviews I have read, he seems well-read as well. He must be on drugs to not fire these people.


hmmm I do think he has some shady people for real. But he should've learned this 20 years ago when his then-manager Frank DiLeo had that Tatiana girl fired because she kissed Michael. The hell was that all about anyway?

*cough* bullshit *cough*
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Reply #65 posted 09/29/07 3:10am

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Timmy84 said:



hmmm I do think he has some shady people for real. But he should've learned this 20 years ago when his then-manager Frank DiLeo had that Tatiana girl fired because she kissed Michael. The hell was that all about anyway?

*cough* bullshit *cough*


lol Well that's what she said. lol
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Reply #66 posted 09/29/07 3:25am

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midnightmover said:


*cough* bullshit *cough*


lol Well that's what she said. lol

lol Aaah well, that proves it definitively. wink
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Reply #67 posted 09/29/07 11:09am

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http://prince.org/msg/8/246362?&pg=8

^^

I remember in a brief program covering the trial on MTV, where Sway was the host, they had a poll where they decided to show the results of how many people thought he was guilty/innocent in terms of black and white communities. The good number of those of whom said guilty were white, and the huge majority of those who voted innocent were African American/black. Like its been said, that speaks volumes. I wish I remember the exact percentages. I have it on tape though, I hope that part is still there so I can find out again.

Too bad that thread was closed, there were a lot of good posts just before...

BUT ANYWAY..


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Reply #68 posted 09/29/07 11:48am

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DarlingDiana said:

A lot of journalists often browse MJ forums. I was speaking to one who assures me that Bain's denial is no different to the denial Michael's people issued about his and Lisa Marie's marraige and his marriage to Debbie Hoe. No idea who the journalist is or who he/she works for but they are certain that MJ is married to Grace.

I also learnt some disturbing details about MJ's PR team. Alot of people how work for him don't really give a shit about him, they just think it looks good on their CV to have worked for Michael Jackson. So they have no moral objection to telling the press details about MJ's private life. That's how the press know about the marriage, his finacial problems and his drug use.

It's Bain's job to deny all this. Somehow she has managed to get MJ's fans under her thumb so that anything she says they believe. How many times have you heard an MJ fan say "I wont believe it until Bain denies/confirms it" or "well that's settled now that Bain's denied/confirmed it". Like what she's saying is gospel truth. It hasn't occured to most fans that it's part of her job as PR manager to paint a good picture of MJ.

It's a classic PR technique to deny any marriage or romantic/sexual relationship of a celebrity. That way they appear single and desirable. And of course, what PR manager in their right mind would confirm their clients drug and money problems? Bain's not stupid.

MJ's married folks. Has been for a while now.

From whom did you learn those disturbing details about his PR team?

I have to admit that I have always found the relationship between Mike and Grace
suspicous. She´s supposed to be his nanny, yet she seems to look more after Mike than his kids. As I said I´d love him to get married again. He deserves to be happy and I think he needs a woman in his life.

I don´t know why some of you are so negative about LMP and Debbie. Obviously Debbie is very much in love with Mike and Mike was desperate for kids, so there has never been anything that I would not understand about their relationship. And as for Mike and Lisa. I am sorry, but they both looked very happy together.
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Reply #69 posted 09/29/07 11:53am

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Reply #70 posted 09/29/07 11:54am

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dag said:

DarlingDiana said:

A lot of journalists often browse MJ forums. I was speaking to one who assures me that Bain's denial is no different to the denial Michael's people issued about his and Lisa Marie's marraige and his marriage to Debbie Hoe. No idea who the journalist is or who he/she works for but they are certain that MJ is married to Grace.

I also learnt some disturbing details about MJ's PR team. Alot of people how work for him don't really give a shit about him, they just think it looks good on their CV to have worked for Michael Jackson. So they have no moral objection to telling the press details about MJ's private life. That's how the press know about the marriage, his finacial problems and his drug use.

It's Bain's job to deny all this. Somehow she has managed to get MJ's fans under her thumb so that anything she says they believe. How many times have you heard an MJ fan say "I wont believe it until Bain denies/confirms it" or "well that's settled now that Bain's denied/confirmed it". Like what she's saying is gospel truth. It hasn't occured to most fans that it's part of her job as PR manager to paint a good picture of MJ.

It's a classic PR technique to deny any marriage or romantic/sexual relationship of a celebrity. That way they appear single and desirable. And of course, what PR manager in their right mind would confirm their clients drug and money problems? Bain's not stupid.

MJ's married folks. Has been for a while now.

From whom did you learn those disturbing details about his PR team?

I have to admit that I have always found the relationship between Mike and Grace
suspicous. She´s supposed to be his nanny, yet she seems to look more after Mike than his kids. As I said I´d love him to get married again. He deserves to be happy and I think he needs a woman in his life.

I don´t know why some of you are so negative about LMP and Debbie. Obviously Debbie is very much in love with Mike and Mike was desperate for kids, so there has never been anything that I would not understand about their relationship. And as for Mike and Lisa. I am sorry, but they both looked very happy together.


What is disturbing is that Michael Jackson once was married to his nurse (hired help) who acted as his female surrogate. Now if the relationship with this Grace person, the nanny of his children, is true, once again he is getting himself involved with hired help. Another thing that is disturbing is that Grace once dated Jermaine Jackson. Sick.

This Grace person -- is she capable of having a life without the help of the Jacksons?
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Reply #71 posted 09/29/07 11:58am

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Rodya24 said:

dag said:


From whom did you learn those disturbing details about his PR team?

I have to admit that I have always found the relationship between Mike and Grace
suspicous. She´s supposed to be his nanny, yet she seems to look more after Mike than his kids. As I said I´d love him to get married again. He deserves to be happy and I think he needs a woman in his life.

I don´t know why some of you are so negative about LMP and Debbie. Obviously Debbie is very much in love with Mike and Mike was desperate for kids, so there has never been anything that I would not understand about their relationship. And as for Mike and Lisa. I am sorry, but they both looked very happy together.


What is disturbing is that Michael Jackson once was married to his nurse (hired help) who acted as his female surrogate. Now if the relationship with this Grace person, the nanny of his children, is true, once again he is getting himself involved with hired help. Another thing that is disturbing is that Grace once dated Jermaine Jackson. Sick.

This Grace person -- is she capable of having a life without the help of the Jacksons?

The fact that he gets involved with his "hired help" does not surprise me because believe it or not, it ain´t easy for him to get to know women. AND I am sure he is always looking for someone he can trust. And if this lady has worked for him for several years now and he knows he can trust her than I am not surprised. And if she dated Jermaine...who cares? I don´t. We basically know nothing about her and if they truly are together I hope they are happy and very much in love.
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Reply #72 posted 09/29/07 12:00pm

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Rodya24 said:



What is disturbing is that Michael Jackson once was married to his nurse (hired help) who acted as his female surrogate. Now if the relationship with this Grace person, the nanny of his children, is true, once again he is getting himself involved with hired help. Another thing that is disturbing is that Grace once dated Jermaine Jackson. Sick.

This Grace person -- is she capable of having a life without the help of the Jacksons?

The fact that he gets involved with his "hired help" does not surprise me because believe it or not, it ain´t easy for him to get to know women. AND I am sure he is always looking for someone he can trust. And if this lady has worked for him for several years now and he knows he can trust her than I am not surprised. And if she dated Jermaine...who cares? I don´t. We basically know nothing about her and if they truly are together I hope they are happy and very much in love.



Umm... Have you ever considered the possibility that Michael Jackson is attracted to men?
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Reply #73 posted 09/29/07 12:02pm

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Rodya24 said:

Timmy84 said:



Exactly, people actually be trippin' on everything the woman says. So whatever. I also think they married. Shit, I think Grace studied each of the Jackson boys and realized Michael had something the others didn't. Thankfully she didn't have babies with any of his brothers, now that would be GROSS! LOL


Money? Much more susceptible to her "charms"? ill

I wish Michael Jackson moved to Tibet and found inner peace away from all of this pressure. Wait... that would never work, because the press and his inner demons would follow him to Tibet. confused
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Well, and I wish you all would mind your own business! All your guessing and speculating without any real insight is annoying to say the least! None of use really knows how his day to day live is and whether he's happy or not...
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Reply #74 posted 09/29/07 12:13pm

Timmy84

PatrickS77 said:

Rodya24 said:



Money? Much more susceptible to her "charms"? ill

I wish Michael Jackson moved to Tibet and found inner peace away from all of this pressure. Wait... that would never work, because the press and his inner demons would follow him to Tibet. confused
[Edited 9/28/07 20:51pm]

Well, and I wish you all would mind your own business! All your guessing and speculating without any real insight is annoying to say the least! None of use really knows how his day to day live is and whether he's happy or not...


Well if we at fault at finding out what's wrong with the man, we wouldn't have heard it from the horse's mouth: "I had a fucked-up childhood" (just paraphrasing what he said 100 times over the last 20 years). JMO, of course.
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Reply #75 posted 09/29/07 12:30pm

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Rodya24 said:

dag said:


The fact that he gets involved with his "hired help" does not surprise me because believe it or not, it ain´t easy for him to get to know women. AND I am sure he is always looking for someone he can trust. And if this lady has worked for him for several years now and he knows he can trust her than I am not surprised. And if she dated Jermaine...who cares? I don´t. We basically know nothing about her and if they truly are together I hope they are happy and very much in love.



Umm... Have you ever considered the possibility that Michael Jackson is attracted to men?

yea.....but i don't think he is neutral
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Reply #76 posted 09/29/07 12:36pm

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Timmy84 said:

PatrickS77 said:


Well, and I wish you all would mind your own business! All your guessing and speculating without any real insight is annoying to say the least! None of use really knows how his day to day live is and whether he's happy or not...


Well if we at fault at finding out what's wrong with the man, we wouldn't have heard it from the horse's mouth: "I had a fucked-up childhood" (just paraphrasing what he said 100 times over the last 20 years). JMO, of course.

Yes, but he also said, he's happy where he is and he wouldn't change a thing! Of course he didn't know that 5 months later somebody would accuse him of being a childmolester! But still, leaving that aside, I think in his "bubble", shutting out the world, ignoring what the world thinks of him, ignoring the state of his career, being with his kids and closest associates, he is as happy as a person in his situation can be! And I kinda do wish that Grace is his wife! She's been with him since more than 15 years, through all the ups and downs... she knows him inside out and he knows her! And I don't give a damn whether Bain confirms or denies anything! She tells the media what she is told to tell the media!

But still, the bottomline is... all of the halfinformed speculations, all of your wishing he would be a janitor (I find that thought insulting) won't change a damn thing! None of us knows how his day to day live is and how he really feels! So all the discussions in that direction are moot!
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Reply #77 posted 09/29/07 12:50pm

Timmy84

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Timmy84 said:



Well if we at fault at finding out what's wrong with the man, we wouldn't have heard it from the horse's mouth: "I had a fucked-up childhood" (just paraphrasing what he said 100 times over the last 20 years). JMO, of course.

Yes, but he also said, he's happy where he is and he wouldn't change a thing! Of course he didn't know that 5 months later somebody would accuse him of being a childmolester! But still, leaving that aside, I think in his "bubble", shutting out the world, ignoring what the world thinks of him, ignoring the state of his career, being with his kids and closest associates, he is as happy as a person in his situation can be! And I kinda do wish that Grace is his wife! She's been with him since more than 15 years, through all the ups and downs... she knows him inside out and he knows her! And I don't give a damn whether Bain confirms or denies anything! She tells the media what she is told to tell the media!

But still, the bottomline is... all of the halfinformed speculations, all of your wishing he would be a janitor (I find that thought insulting) won't change a damn thing! None of us knows how his day to day live is and how he really feels! So all the discussions in that direction are moot!


I ain't wished that janitor shit. spit Don't put Rodya's words in my mouth, bruh. lol I don't know where he got that from! lol
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Reply #78 posted 09/29/07 12:53pm

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Rodya24 said:

dag said:


From whom did you learn those disturbing details about his PR team?

I have to admit that I have always found the relationship between Mike and Grace
suspicous. She´s supposed to be his nanny, yet she seems to look more after Mike than his kids. As I said I´d love him to get married again. He deserves to be happy and I think he needs a woman in his life.

I don´t know why some of you are so negative about LMP and Debbie. Obviously Debbie is very much in love with Mike and Mike was desperate for kids, so there has never been anything that I would not understand about their relationship. And as for Mike and Lisa. I am sorry, but they both looked very happy together.


What is disturbing is that Michael Jackson once was married to his nurse (hired help) who acted as his female surrogate. Now if the relationship with this Grace person, the nanny of his children, is true, once again he is getting himself involved with hired help. Another thing that is disturbing is that Grace once dated Jermaine Jackson. Sick.

This Grace person -- is she capable of having a life without the help of the Jacksons?


God, your posts are getting more and more annoying or should I say disturbing?! You clearly do not know enough to come up with all these speculations and judgements! And then again you should stop worrying about Michael Jackson!

Debbie Rowe wasn't an employee of Michael! She worked at his dermatologists office as a nurse and got to know him in the early 80ies and over the years they eventually became friends! Nothing disturbing there! After the break up with Lisa Marie she offered to carry out his children! Unusual but still nothing disturbing there! Then they got married... most likely to hide the fact how he got the children and for legal reasons! Again, unusual, but not really disturbing!

Grace worked for Michael since at least 1992! Obviously they also have gotten close over the years and eventually she became appointed as "Nanny"... whether she really was only the "Nanny" or acted as Nanny because she got involved with Michael remains to be seen! But still not really disturbing!

For her dating Jermaine... we don't really know when that was or if it is true at all... maybe from there on she got the job with Michael, maybe she got to know Jermaine because of working for Michael... who knows and who cares really? It's none of your or mine business!

And for her having a life without the Jacksons! Well, are you capable of having a life without having your present job?? I'm sure you could adjust if you would happen to loose your job!!
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As long as the man is happy, that matters to me.

Michael Jackson truly deserves happiness
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Reply #80 posted 09/29/07 12:55pm

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bboy87 said:

As long as the man is happy, that matters to me.

Michael Jackson truly deserves happiness


I actually think he IS happy regardless of what I said. And maybe he has find happiness with Grace.

Fuck a Lisa Marie. lol
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I ain't wished that janitor shit. spit Don't put Rodya's words in my mouth, bruh. lol I don't know where he got that from! lol

I know you didn't wish that... my response was directed at all of you!
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Reply #82 posted 09/29/07 12:57pm

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Timmy84 said:

bboy87 said:

As long as the man is happy, that matters to me.

Michael Jackson truly deserves happiness


I actually think he IS happy regardless of what I said. And maybe he has find happiness with Grace.

Fuck a Lisa Marie. lol

Fuck a Lisa Marie? EWWWWW!!!!! lol
I have dignity! lol
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Reply #83 posted 09/29/07 12:57pm

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Rodya24 said:



What is disturbing is that Michael Jackson once was married to his nurse (hired help) who acted as his female surrogate. Now if the relationship with this Grace person, the nanny of his children, is true, once again he is getting himself involved with hired help. Another thing that is disturbing is that Grace once dated Jermaine Jackson. Sick.

This Grace person -- is she capable of having a life without the help of the Jacksons?


God, your posts are getting more and more annoying or should I say disturbing?! You clearly do not know enough to come up with all these speculations and judgements! And then again you should stop worrying about Michael Jackson!

Debbie Rowe wasn't an employee of Michael! She worked at his dermatologists office as a nurse and got to know him in the early 80ies and over the years they eventually became friends! Nothing disturbing there! After the break up with Lisa Marie she offered to carry out his children! Unusual but still nothing disturbing there! Then they got married... most likely to hide the fact how he got the children and for legal reasons! Again, unusual, but not really disturbing!

Grace worked for Michael since at least 1992! Obviously they also have gotten close over the years and eventually she became appointed as "Nanny"... whether she really was only the "Nanny" or acted as Nanny because she got involved with Michael remains to be seen! But still not really disturbing!

For her dating Jermaine... we don't really know when that was or if it is true at all... maybe from there on she got the job with Michael, maybe she got to know Jermaine because of working for Michael... who knows and who cares really? It's none of your or mine business!

And for her having a life without the Jacksons! Well, are you capable of having a life without having your present job?? I'm sure you could adjust if you would happen to loose your job!!
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First of all, must you end every one of your sentences with an exclamation point.

Second of all, lighten up.

Finally stop defending him so much. Michael Jackson is not perfect. Sure I defend him sometimes, but not about every aspect of his life as you seem to.

Again: LIGHTEN UP.
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Reply #84 posted 09/29/07 12:58pm

Timmy84

PatrickS77 said:

Rodya24 said:



What is disturbing is that Michael Jackson once was married to his nurse (hired help) who acted as his female surrogate. Now if the relationship with this Grace person, the nanny of his children, is true, once again he is getting himself involved with hired help. Another thing that is disturbing is that Grace once dated Jermaine Jackson. Sick.

This Grace person -- is she capable of having a life without the help of the Jacksons?


God, your posts are getting more and more annoying or should I say disturbing?! You clearly do not know enough to come up with all these speculations and judgements! And then again you should stop worrying about Michael Jackson!

Debbie Rowe wasn't an employee of Michael! She worked at his dermatologists office as a nurse and got to know him in the early 80ies and over the years they eventually became friends! Nothing disturbing there! After the break up with Lisa Marie she offered to carry out his children! Unusual but still nothing disturbing there! Then they got married... most likely to hide the fact how he got the children and for legal reasons! Again, unusual, but not really disturbing!

Grace worked for Michael since at least 1992! Obviously they also have gotten close over the years and eventually she became appointed as "Nanny"... whether she really was only the "Nanny" or acted as Nanny because she got involved with Michael remains to be seen! But still not really disturbing!

For her dating Jermaine... we don't really know when that was or if it is true at all... maybe from there on she got the job with Michael, maybe she got to know Jermaine because of working for Michael... who knows and who cares really? It's none of your or mine business!

And for her having a life without the Jacksons! Well, are you capable of having a life without having your present job?? I'm sure you could adjust if you would happen to loose your job!!
[Edited 9/29/07 12:55pm]


You know something, even if she ain't Michael's kids' biological mother, Grace is their momma. Michael trust her that much to let Grace look out for his kids and like you said, they've known each other for years so anything's possible.
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Reply #85 posted 09/29/07 12:58pm

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bboy87 said:

As long as the man is happy, that matters to me.

Michael Jackson truly deserves happiness

Agreed!
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Reply #86 posted 09/29/07 12:59pm

Timmy84

bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:



I actually think he IS happy regardless of what I said. And maybe he has find happiness with Grace.

Fuck a Lisa Marie. lol

Fuck a Lisa Marie? EWWWWW!!!!! lol
I have dignity! lol


Yeah, I do too. I don't wanna fuck her either... lol I don't care if her father IS Elvis, fuck that!
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Reply #87 posted 09/29/07 12:59pm

Rodya24

PatrickS77 said:

Timmy84 said:



I ain't wished that janitor shit. spit Don't put Rodya's words in my mouth, bruh. lol I don't know where he got that from! lol

I know you didn't wish that... my response was directed at all of you!


What is wrong with wishing Michael Jackson had become a janitor? That occupation provides the highest level of happiness, according to a number of polls. Being a dentist, on the other hand. The highest possibility of suicide. biggrin

Again: lighten the fuck up.
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Reply #88 posted 09/29/07 1:00pm

Timmy84

Rodya24 said:

PatrickS77 said:



God, your posts are getting more and more annoying or should I say disturbing?! You clearly do not know enough to come up with all these speculations and judgements! And then again you should stop worrying about Michael Jackson!

Debbie Rowe wasn't an employee of Michael! She worked at his dermatologists office as a nurse and got to know him in the early 80ies and over the years they eventually became friends! Nothing disturbing there! After the break up with Lisa Marie she offered to carry out his children! Unusual but still nothing disturbing there! Then they got married... most likely to hide the fact how he got the children and for legal reasons! Again, unusual, but not really disturbing!

Grace worked for Michael since at least 1992! Obviously they also have gotten close over the years and eventually she became appointed as "Nanny"... whether she really was only the "Nanny" or acted as Nanny because she got involved with Michael remains to be seen! But still not really disturbing!

For her dating Jermaine... we don't really know when that was or if it is true at all... maybe from there on she got the job with Michael, maybe she got to know Jermaine because of working for Michael... who knows and who cares really? It's none of your or mine business!

And for her having a life without the Jacksons! Well, are you capable of having a life without having your present job?? I'm sure you could adjust if you would happen to loose your job!!
[Edited 9/29/07 12:55pm]


First of all, must you end every one of your sentences with an exclamation point.

Second of all, lighten up.

Finally stop defending him so much. Michael Jackson is not perfect. Sure I defend him sometimes, but not about every aspect of his life as you seem to.

Again: LIGHTEN UP.


It does give off the impression that dude's MAD! lol

Like, damn, dude, chill. lol I actually think he's yelling at us. lol
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Reply #89 posted 09/29/07 1:01pm

Rodya24

Timmy84 said:

Rodya24 said:



First of all, must you end every one of your sentences with an exclamation point.

Second of all, lighten up.

Finally stop defending him so much. Michael Jackson is not perfect. Sure I defend him sometimes, but not about every aspect of his life as you seem to.

Again: LIGHTEN UP.


It does give off the impression that dude's MAD! lol

Like, damn, dude, chill. lol I actually think he's yelling at us. lol


I know. I do not think he or she realizes that ending every sentence with an exclamation point denotes anger.
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