floetcist said:

That would not be the funniest thing ever. That would be awesome. Two talented men falling in love with one another. I would be A LOT happier about that union than with this one.
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Do u really think P could stand 2 look @ MJ for a long period of time?

Prince will be the butch one. Even though he's shorter.

uPtoWnNY said:

well i consider them rodents.. because they have two beady eyes, long teeth, and similar to rodents..

JUST BECAUSE one person decides to classify a rabbit as not being a rodent doesn't mean that I have to TAKE thier final answer... I personally Consider any mammal with beady eyes and long teeth, whiskers, tiny, hides in burrows a rodent... I classify animals according to how i see fit....

WHY does it have to be one person who decides what to they are... and then thats the final answer????

BOBBAAYY!!! BOBBAAYY! I LOVE YOU BOBBAAYY!!! Sorry, Grace just looks so much like Whitney Houston..


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floetcist said:

Like a crack head?
















































Just kidding.

A lot of journalists often browse MJ forums. I was speaking to one who assures me that Bain's denial is no different to the denial Michael's people issued about his and Lisa Marie's marraige and his marriage to Debbie Hoe. No idea who the journalist is or who he/she works for but they are certain that MJ is married to Grace.

I also learnt some disturbing details about MJ's PR team. Alot of people how work for him don't really give a shit about him, they just think it looks good on their CV to have worked for Michael Jackson. So they have no moral objection to telling the press details about MJ's private life. That's how the press know about the marriage, his finacial problems and his drug use.

It's Bain's job to deny all this. Somehow she has managed to get MJ's fans under her thumb so that anything she says they believe. How many times have you heard an MJ fan say "I wont believe it until Bain denies/confirms it" or "well that's settled now that Bain's denied/confirmed it". Like what she's saying is gospel truth. It hasn't occured to most fans that it's part of her job as PR manager to paint a good picture of MJ.

It's a classic PR technique to deny any marriage or romantic/sexual relationship of a celebrity. That way they appear single and desirable. And of course, what PR manager in their right mind would confirm their clients drug and money problems? Bain's not stupid.

MJ's married folks. Has been for a while now.

DarlingDiana said:

How sad. When will he ever have people whom he can trust. This Grace person seems suspect as well (and before someone in this thread attacks me as a Lisa Marie lover, no I am not). If he is still addicted to drugs, when will he ever become free of his addiction to drugs?

I sort of wish he had never been part of the Jackson 5. I wish he never had to be forced into show business in the first place. The things this man had to go through...

Another thing: Michael Jackson must be drugged up to not fire these people on his PR team. He is an intelligent and shrewd person, and from the interviews I have read, he seems well-read as well. He must be on drugs to not fire these people.

Rodya24 said:

Well he chose to be in the spotlight. I mean I know he never expected things to be like they are but show business is a beast.

DarlingDiana said:

Exactly, people actually be trippin' on everything the woman says. So whatever. I also think they married. Shit, I think Grace studied each of the Jackson boys and realized Michael had something the others didn't. Thankfully she didn't have babies with any of his brothers, now that would be GROSS! LOL

Timmy84 said:

Not from the beginning, though. Sure he was a child prodigy, but without the pushing and prodding of his abusive father, I doubt he would have achieved commercial success at such a young age. Furthermore, I somewhat doubt he would have been in show business. He should have become a janitor or a garbage collector. I am serious. I heard those two occupations provide the highest level of happiness.

Timmy84 said:

This whole situation is sick.

Rodya24 said:

I do think he has some shady people for real. But he should've learned this 20 years ago when his then-manager Frank DiLeo had that Tatiana girl fired because she kissed Michael. The hell was that all about anyway?

Rodya24 said:

LOL, no I think being an artist would've fit Mike since he draws real good. Never saw a painting but he could've been a creator of cartoons, who knows? He would've figured out other ways to get out of Gary.

Timmy84 said:

Money? Much more susceptible to her "charms"?

I wish Michael Jackson moved to Tibet and found inner peace away from all of this pressure. Wait... that would never work, because the press and his inner demons would follow him to Tibet.
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Timmy84 said:

I have wondered about that, too. Either Michael Jackson can be controlled quite easily or he is homosexual.

And again, Michael DID choose to be a singer so in essence when he scored several hits and made some noise, he was gonna attract the attention he was gonna get anyway. It's like once you decide to do something for the rest of your life and stick with it, you have to brave yourself for the storms coming. Michael's been through it for the last 37 years. If he wanted to quit, he'd done it before "Off the Wall" but he wanted to break out and become his own artist and star, he did, now here comes the bullshit that comes with it and he begging people to "leave him alone" when he doesn't understand that when you're famous, you're judged from the microscope daily so his messages fall on deaf ears. Sorry to be blunt but that's the truth.

Rodya24 said:

We don't know how Grace is. I wouldn't go that far, man.

Michael won't go to Tibet, he loves the spotlight still. You could tell from the reaction he got at the WMA's. No, he would always love the spotlight, he wants to come back but the problem is he has problems getting things done to stay in that spotlight.

Timmy84 said:

That is the truth.


And the fact that he became the biggest superstar in the world did not help matters.


From reading interviews, it seems like that Michael Jackson lost his passion after the release of HIStory. He is always speaking about working on a movie. I wonder if at a certain point in his career (in the '80s or '90s), he felt he had no choice but to remain in the music business, since that is what he has known his entire life. I think that is the main difference between him and Prince. Prince had desired from the beginning to create music and still does (to a lesser extent but still), whereas Michael Jackson was pushed into show business.

Rodya, it's interesting that you sya MJ must be drugged up to keep these people in his PR team. Have you heard the allegations some fans have made in the past about Raymone Bain drugging Michael so she can steal his money? It seems like a bizarre allegation, but then again, not so bizarre when you think about it. She hasn't done anything good for Michael since she was hired. She should have been fired by now. Purely for the "I Have a Dream" crock. But she's still there. She could be putting MJ under the influence. But you'd think once he's away from Bain and with will.i.am or someone in the studio he'd realise what she's doing. What does he think happened to all the money she stole? It's not like she's drugging him with some memory loss drug so he can't remember having more money before he blacked out than when he came to. That'd be going to the extreme. Unless he's drugged all the time, even when he's in the studio. If so, I can't wait to hear Michael's Sgt Pepper's LP.

Jokes aside, it's really fucked up what's going on. Some shit is going down with MJ, Bain and Grace. They need to come clean.

Rodya24 said:

Well see this is when things are complicated. We know about the love-hate relationship between Michael and Father Joseph, right? Well if Mike was gay, you think with all the gay celebrities coming out that he'll come out, right? Well he has a problem: Joe Jackson denounced his son being gay in a London interview not too long before the trial started and also had a problem with homosexuality. Michael said that he and his father are just coming to terms with themselves. If Michael suddenly decided to "come out", his father would either disown him or tell him to seek a therapist (I think he'd go for the latter).

I don't think Michael's gay, I think he's morally confused. He's been fucked since birth: crazy but determined dad, Jehovah Witness-devoted mother, eight other siblings, division between being a devout JW and being an entertainer and forgetting childhood things he probably did because of the things he was thrust upon to get ahead.

But I say he's more better off than the other tortured artist, Marvin Gaye. He also had a fucked-up upbringing and lost himself in drugs and paranoia before his father took him out of his misery. Michael's situation is actually more complex than Marvin's in which his whole life is like a divided temple of thoughts. You do one thing but say another.

DarlingDiana said:

While I am not sure about the whole "publicist drugging Michael Jackson" theory, I agree that this situation surrounding Michael Jackson, Bain, and Grace is sickening.

Timmy84 said:

What you have said is all true.

I think one think all can agree on (those believe he is a homosexual, those who believe he is a heterosexual, and those who believe he is a bisexual or asexual) is that Michael Jackson has had a fucked up sexual life.

Timmy84 said:

True on all points.


Fuck. When did the situation surrounding Michael Jackson become so fucking complicated. Again he should have become a janitor.
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Rodya24 said:

Yeah it's like he went from rising to the top like Sammy Davis, Jr. but is heading into a tragedy like Judy Garland (who went through similar shit once she decided to pursue an adult career).

Michael felt like he had no choice after turning 18 to keep going as a professional singer because he had his own destiny to get to the top. He was the person that said "I'm gonna be the biggest superstar in the world", then he said "I'm gonna have the biggest-selling album in the world", then he said "I'm gonna be the most famous PERSON in the world" and that's where we have a sticky situation because between 1979 and 1997 that's exactly what he acheived. He became the biggest star in the world at the time, he has the biggest-selling album of all time and every week or month we had stories of Michael in the tabloids for things like plastic surgery, skin confusion, child abuse either inflicted upon him or allegedly on others. When the latter scandal came, his world turned upside down and to be honest, he hasn't really recovered from it. You seen the fucked up decisions he's made: marrying Lisa Marie, having babies with a female surrogate (come on let's be fucking real, I don't think he and Debbie fucked at all), allegedly dangle a baby, have a fucked-up interview with a guy now on "20/20", go off saying so-and-so is the devil, show up with his nose all fucked up to court, get caught up in a case again with children, moving out of the country, then coming back, etc.

I mean, this guy suffered because he inadvertenly put himself into those situations. He ain't no victim, he's a human being who's confucked as to who he is. The thing is he did have a childhood, he just has a fucked-up life and doesn't know what 1 + 1 is anymore so he hires people to do the dirty work and they end up going to the tabloids anyway. I actually think Michael needs to sort it out right now. Stop hiding under his mask and just reveal himself like he did in those taped interviews Flo posted.

The way things are going on with spokespeople denying just about everything from the album to when he's showing up at an awards show. I actually think he LIKES that isolation to be honest and it fucking sucks. It was cool back in the late-'80s and early-'90s but it's getting old!

Rodya24 said:

If you watched the first half of "Michael Jackson's Secret Childhood", it explains everything about Michael's psyche and the decisions he made that have affected his life since. It made me realize "Lord, no wonder he is the way he is, look at what was going on during his kid, teen years!"

That special also ended a myth: that Mike first started his professional career at the age of 5.

He didn't, he just sang at his school.

The defining moment was 1966, that's when his career began...at the age of 7. I think he's stuck at the age of 13 - since that's the age when his worlds (Jehovah's Witness and rock star) collided.

Rodya24 said:

One answer: his family is fucking complicated. And people thought Janet was talking hogwash. That family (much like the DeBarges) really suffered.

Timmy84 said:

Again I agree on all points. Spot on.

Again I wish he had become a janitor. Fuck popular music and entertainment. Fuck fame. Fuck money.

It is truly amazing the story of his life so far. The greatest entertainer of the last quarter of the twentieth century, one of the most successful commercial artists in modern popular music, a talented songwriter, composer, arranger, and producer, a phenomenal vocalist at his peak. A child star. A plastic surgery addict. Accused of being a pedophile. Accused of selling out. Generates the most discussions on Music: Non-Prince.

Again he should have become a janitor.

Rodya24 said:

It's his fault. He keep on making news, people post threads about it and we reply and add on to the thread pages. We're addicted to the dude and he loves it.