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PrintablePais is right He Sampled Beautiful ones its almost the exact same pattern i inspected the wave files, Timbo just slowed it down
Im not diggin the harmonies, seems too perfect... The production is too polished... Drums are nicely compressed and i think they're too high in the mix, they'd be cooler if they a little under the mix and have the floating atmospheric stuff ontop Its a decent song no prejudices against it other than what i said... Theirs justs omething about the drums that i don't like he should've put the drums through a wah plugin to soften them up, Thats probably the only thing i don't like about it needs to be re-remixed I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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Oh And Justin must be taking vocal lessons cause his vocals are getting better...
Unless thats autotune... which it could be , but the timbre of his voice isnt as harsh as it use to be... I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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BlaqueKnight said: midnightmover said: I ain't talking about the melody or chords. I'm talking about the beat. I don't care who said what about some Ciara track either. Your ears should tell you that this beat is UNCANNILY similar to Prince's beats from 1984, specifically The Beautiful Ones. You are doing yourself no favours if you deny that. And by the way, this track really ain't shit. It has one great thing about it, and that's the beat. But then Prince made tons of great beats in the mid 80s so if you're gonna scavage around for things to steal from, that's the place to go. Timberland obviously ain't as dumb as he looks. Its a straight 4/4 beat at ballad tempo! Damn, man! Its as old as time! Most of Prince's songs back then were straight 4/4 march tempo beats with the exception of songs like "Lady Cab Driver". HE DIDN'T INVENT THAT BEAT. Are you brand new? Prince must have been the first music you heard or something? I was pretty clear about the similarities; so far all you have done is spout fan ramblings. I know why everyone thinks they sound similar and I have already stated that. No matter what you "claim", that's not going to change. Around here with most Prince fans Linn Drum = Prince. But guess what? There's a lot more music in the world. I suggest you get to know some of it before you start up with me. I ain't talking about the time signature or the tempo either. There are a million 4/4 songs at ballad tempo and they do not all sound like that. That's like saying Rosanne Barr looks just like Beyonce because they've both got two eyes, a nose and a mouth with some hair on top. You say there are other beats by other artists that sound like that. Fine, post a link, let's hear them. Name the songs, I'll gladly check them out. I suspect you'll have a hard time doing so because no matter who else used the Linn Drum, no-one else used it like Prince. That's not kool-aid talking, it's truth talking. I haven't even bought a Prince album since 1998 because the man ain't got it anymore, so please don't tell me I'm some deluded fan. It's you who are letting your anti-Prince feelings cloud your judgement. [Edited 9/30/07 4:52am] “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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Can you read and comprehend? I said the placement of the Linn is what makes people think "The Beautiful Ones". It hits in the exact same spot. Take out the Linn drum and take off the flanger and you have a standard ballad 4/4 march beat. I'm done arguing with you. I've proven my point. You prove me wrong by telling me what else aside from the drums and what I mentioned earlier sounds like the Beautiful Ones since you say they're so similar. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Can you read and comprehend? I said the placement of the Linn is what makes people think "The Beautiful Ones". It hits in the exact same spot. Take out the Linn drum and take off the flanger and you have a standard ballad 4/4 march beat. I'm done arguing with you. I've proven my point. You prove me wrong by telling me what else aside from the drums and what I mentioned earlier sounds like the Beautiful Ones since you say they're so similar.
My reading skills are fine. Not so sure about yours though. I never said anything other than the drums sounds like The Beautiful Ones. I've said three times already that it's the beat which sounds almost identical. I think most people would agree with that, and the thing is, it's the beat that makes the song. That beat sets a very strong, distinctive mood all by itself. What JT has put on top of it is a totally generic, boring melody. It's the equivalent of putting paint on a Rolls Royce and then giving all the credit for the car to the guy who put the paint on, rather than the guy who actually made the car. Yes, I know Prince didn't invent the Linn Drum, but NO-ONE used it like he did. When he dropped the Linn in the mid 80s he still created totally distinctive beats like the ones on Alphabet Street or Sign O The Times. They simply don't sound like anyone else. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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BlaqueKnight said: dirtyman2005 said: You dumb ass, Prince pioneered the use of Linn Drums in his songs, he used all sorts of effects on the Linn Drums that sound like nobody elses. Along with Harold Faltermeyer, Jan Hammer and a few other pioneers, Prince used the Linn Drums to serious maximum effect in a lot of his songs in 80s. Justin timberlake is a shit hole and so is timbaland, both untalented wankers. What is so great about a shite song with a crappy voice of Justins on it? he cant even sing, has no talent and is an inbred hillbilly. You seen how timberlake looks, what with his ugly shit face, and no charisma. We all Know Justin Fucked Timbaland for tracks, and not just any fucking, he butt fucked him cos he wanted timbaland on every track. fucking bollocks song!! cant believe people listen to garbage and shit like justin timberlake, wankers!! Dumb ass? 
I see someone has been mixing their meds with alcohol in their purple kool-aid. I guess the fact that Stevie Wonder (who used them before Prince), Phil Collins, Human League, Depache Mode and The Art Of Noise as well as Todd Rundgren and Gary Numan also helping in popularizing the use of the Linn Drum (the LM-1) is easily overlooked when you have selective memory. You don't "pioneer" the usage of a drum sound, you popularize it. Since the song has a Linn sample with a flanger and reverb on it, it COULD be a sample from "The Beautiful Ones" or it could be a sample of a Linn Drum with a flanger on it. Incidently, the shaker in the background running through the song ALSO HAS A FLANGER ON IT. Could it be that they recorded it in Protools and assigned a flanger to BOTH TRACKS? Before you start making blind accusations, please know the possibilities. As to all of the other crap about Justin - I'm no fan. I can roll with most of what you said. Despite that, this is probably one his better songs, along with Lovestoned and "Pose". Everybody hits on a couple of good songs here and there. Its not just him and Timbaland but a whole team of folks contributing to the project. They don't all suck. Next time before you start shooting off at the mouth, come correct and know what you are talking about, k? Peace. I don't think anyone actually said Prince created the Linn drum..And yes, you are correct..The production on those songs are better some people will admit...(Danja is also a dope producer)...But Prince's production influence is large on "Until The End Of Time" (among other songs...)..Yeah, other folks used the Linn...But Prince transformed that shit to the point where it became "his" trademark...But you are right in terms of the quality of the songs...They are good, whether or not folks with admit...It's okay to say Timberlake is a overrated bitch and some of his production is pretty damn good... | |
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midnightmover said: BlaqueKnight said: Can you read and comprehend? I said the placement of the Linn is what makes people think "The Beautiful Ones". It hits in the exact same spot. Take out the Linn drum and take off the flanger and you have a standard ballad 4/4 march beat. I'm done arguing with you. I've proven my point. You prove me wrong by telling me what else aside from the drums and what I mentioned earlier sounds like the Beautiful Ones since you say they're so similar.
My reading skills are fine. Not so sure about yours though. I never said anything other than the drums sounds like The Beautiful Ones. I've said three times already that it's the beat which sounds almost identical. I think most people would agree with that, and the thing is, it's the beat that makes the song. That beat sets a very strong, distinctive mood all by itself. What JT has put on top of it is a totally generic, boring melody. It's the equivalent of putting paint on a Rolls Royce and then giving all the credit for the car to the guy who put the paint on, rather than the guy who actually made the car. Yes, I know Prince didn't invent the Linn Drum, but NO-ONE used it like he did. When he dropped the Linn in the mid 80s he still created totally distinctive beats like the ones on Alphabet Street or Sign O The Times. They simply don't sound like anyone else. And so we agree and we disagree. We agree its the drums that bear the resemblance but I (and the U.S. Copyright Office) disagree with you that whats on top of the beat is unimportant. I don't think its just the beat that makes the song. I think the harmonies and the arrangements are good - you think they are generic. A difference in opinion. I think if you put different drums under this song it would still be good. You don't. Fine. You think way more of that little Linn Drum hit than I do. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: midnightmover said: My reading skills are fine. Not so sure about yours though. I never said anything other than the drums sounds like The Beautiful Ones. I've said three times already that it's the beat which sounds almost identical. I think most people would agree with that, and the thing is, it's the beat that makes the song. That beat sets a very strong, distinctive mood all by itself. What JT has put on top of it is a totally generic, boring melody. It's the equivalent of putting paint on a Rolls Royce and then giving all the credit for the car to the guy who put the paint on, rather than the guy who actually made the car. Yes, I know Prince didn't invent the Linn Drum, but NO-ONE used it like he did. When he dropped the Linn in the mid 80s he still created totally distinctive beats like the ones on Alphabet Street or Sign O The Times. They simply don't sound like anyone else. And so we agree and we disagree. We agree its the drums that bear the resemblance but I (and the U.S. Copyright Office) disagree with you that whats on top of the beat is unimportant. I don't think its just the beat that makes the song. I think the harmonies and the arrangements are good - you think they are generic. A difference in opinion. I think if you put different drums under this song it would still be good. You don't. Fine. You think way more of that little Linn Drum hit than I do. The synth parts are nice too, but JT's lyrics and voice just do not impress me. The hook is okay too, although I feel I've heard it a million times. The verses suck. What kept me listening was the power of the beat, and maybe the synths. Contrast it with the Beautiful Ones though and the song is soon put into perspective. Listen to that "This one's for the lovers" breakdown bit. That's what I mean by generic. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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midnightmover said: The synth parts are nice too, but JT's lyrics and voice just do not impress me. The hook is okay too, although I feel I've heard it a million times. The verses suck. What kept me listening was the power of the beat, and maybe the synths. Contrast it with the Beautiful Ones though and the song is soon put into perspective. Listen to that "This one's for the lovers" breakdown bit. That's what I mean by generic. Yeah, that "This one's for the lover" part is generic. And "say yeah" has been in so many songs it needs to be retired with "wave your hands in the air, and wave em like ya just don't care" I can only stand three songs off this CD. Lovestoned, which I think has a great arrangement, this one and "Pose" which isn't on the American version but it ain't like I bought Justin's shit anyway so it doesn't matter. I thought his HBO concert was generic as hell,too. I'm not a fan of this cat but even I can concede when someone has done a good job on something. If any song reminds me of Prince, its "Damn Girl" - Prince vocally and James Brown rhythmically with a Motown bass line. Damn Girl sounds like something from the Prince "Emancipation" era vocally. I didn't like Emancipation. It should have been 1 CD instead of 3. The rest should have been downloadable bootlegs. [Edited 9/30/07 7:44am] | |
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"That one was for all the lovers. This one's for all the whores".  “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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dragondayz said: http://www.zshare.net/audio/38688894a994b2/
It's alright, but they should paid for some real Linn samples.. http://www.zshare.net/aud...37584dcc5/ http://www.zshare.net/aud...136db3817/ http://www.zshare.net/aud...97b59e7a9/ Linn4days@yahoo.com [Edited 10/8/07 15:14pm] | |
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paisleypark4 said: BlaqueKnight said: Prince didn't invent the Linn drums; that's why they are called LINN DRUMS - after Roger LINN - not Rogers Nelson. Its easy to find a sample of a Linn drum. They're everywhere on any vintage drum sample CD. To say that Timb sampled them from Prince is basically starting a rumor that is probably untrue.
Well....not everybody that had the Linn Drum made the sounds that Prince made out of them. So you are saying Timbaland made his own sounds doing the exact same thing that Prince did (sampling the Linns through different effects, even through his guitar), I highly doubt it, especially when clearly in the beginning just before he starts singing you can hear the air in the background of the sample from the Beautiful Ones. They needed the real samples, but probabaly did not think to look for them, or pay someone to do so..lol. Example: http://www.zshare.net/aud...037584dcc5 http://www.zshare.net/aud...136db3817/ Linn4days@yahoo.com http://www.zshare.net/aud...97b59e7a9/ [Edited 10/8/07 15:14pm] | |
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dirtyman2005 said: You dumb ass, Prince pioneered the use of Linn Drums in his songs, he used all sorts of effects on the Linn Drums that sound like nobody elses. Along with Harold Faltermeyer, Jan Hammer and a few other pioneers, Prince used the Linn Drums to serious maximum effect in a lot of his songs in 80s. Justin timberlake is a shit hole and so is timbaland, both untalented wankers. What is so great about a shite song with a crappy voice of Justins on it? he cant even sing, has no talent and is an inbred hillbilly. You seen how timberlake looks, what with his ugly shit face, and no charisma. We all Know Justin Fucked Timbaland for tracks, and not just any fucking, he butt fucked him cos he wanted timbaland on every track. fucking bollocks song!! cant believe people listen to garbage and shit like justin timberlake, wankers!! this coming from somebody who took the time to read and post in a J Timberlake thread .. and u're name calling ppl? riiiiight  | |
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