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Reply #30 posted 09/29/07 1:32pm

Timmy84

Michael ain't got shit on Little Richard. lol
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Reply #31 posted 09/29/07 2:05pm

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Now. Richard. The first thing you dullards need to understand is Richard comes from a strict Baptist family and spent his whole life in the church. This is not a small detail. It is absolutely fundamental. What he was taught there was that homosexuality was an abomination. Something punishable by an eternity in hell. Richard believes that and has said so many times. Consider that when he was 14 he was forced to leave home by his father. Why? Because his father suspected he was gay. Yes, you did read that right. His own father thought he was gay as early as 14. Point blank. Bisexual men DO NOT exhibit the over-the-top flamboyancy Richard was known for. Only GAY men behave that way. Not bisexuals. Richard was behaving that way long before he had a musical career so it had nothing to do with a persona either.

For another example of how the church taught him that everything he was was sinful, consider the fact that he several times renounced rock and roll as the "devil's music" and quit performing it at the height of his fame. Remember, he WAS rock and roll, and here he was condemning it. Why? Answer. Because the poison of religious dogma was in his bloodstream. Now ask yourself, if he can decry his own music, could he not do the same with his own sexuality? Before you answer that, remember that Richard himself has said "I used to be gay." Not "I used to be bisexual", but "I used to be gay". Well, let me tell you something. The only people who still talk about homosexuality as something you can leave behind are Christian fundamentalists. Homosexuality is not a choice. Richard's homosexuality was obvious to everyone from an early age so it was obviously in his DNA from the start.

Finally, let me say that if Richard were bisexual, given his religious brainwashing, he would not have found it so hard to resist the temptation of men. He would have merely looked at men, but taken his sexual pleasure from women, in much the same way as a married man may be attracted to other women but can still be faithful. The fact that Richard was willing to risk damnation over and over again by sleeping with men shows just how powerful his lust for dick was. If he were bisexual he would not have gone against his beliefs so readily.
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Reply #32 posted 09/29/07 2:17pm

Timmy84

LOL! One thing for sure Richard truly "served two masters" as the old religious folks used to say.

His father kicked him out because he was in one of his sister's dresses and his mother's earrings. His momma didn't have a problem with it but Father Penniman kicked him out with the quickness.

I also think Richard tried to please his father after his death because his parents were deeply religious too (even with Father Penniman's job as a bartender) and he loved the messages of the church but he was tempted by secular music and the vices surrounding it.

He truly had a divided soul.
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Reply #33 posted 09/29/07 2:20pm

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midnightmover said:

Now. Richard. The first thing you dullards need to understand is Richard comes from a strict Baptist family and spent his whole life in the church. This is not a small detail. It is absolutely fundamental. What he was taught there was that homosexuality was an abomination. Something punishable by an eternity in hell. Richard believes that and has said so many times. Consider that when he was 14 he was forced to leave home by his father. Why? Because his father suspected he was gay. Yes, you did read that right. His own father thought he was gay as early as 14. Point blank. Bisexual men DO NOT exhibit the over-the-top flamboyancy Richard was known for. Only GAY men behave that way. Not bisexuals. Richard was behaving that way long before he had a musical career so it had nothing to do with a persona either.

For another example of how the church taught him that everything he was was sinful, consider the fact that he several times renounced rock and roll as the "devil's music" and quit performing it at the height of his fame. Remember, he WAS rock and roll, and here he was condemning it. Why? Answer. Because the poison of religious dogma was in his bloodstream. Now ask yourself, if he can decry his own music, could he not do the same with his own sexuality? Before you answer that, remember that Richard himself has said "I used to be gay." Not "I used to be bisexual", but "I used to be gay". Well, let me tell you something. The only people who still talk about homosexuality as something you can leave behind are Christian fundamentalists. Homosexuality is not a choice. Richard's homosexuality was obvious to everyone from an early age so it was obviously in his DNA from the start.

Finally, let me say that if Richard were bisexual, given his religious brainwashing, he would not have found it so hard to resist the temptation of men. He would have merely looked at men, but taken his sexual pleasure from women, in much the same way as a married man may be attracted to other women but can still be faithful. The fact that Richard was willing to risk damanation over and over again by sleeping with men shows just how powerful his lust for dick was. If he were bisexual he would not have gone against his beliefs so readily.


Damn...And I was just going to put up a post about how I've realized that Richard isn't the "originator" he claims to be musically.
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Reply #34 posted 09/29/07 2:23pm

Timmy84

PAPAROBBIE said:

midnightmover said:

Now. Richard. The first thing you dullards need to understand is Richard comes from a strict Baptist family and spent his whole life in the church. This is not a small detail. It is absolutely fundamental. What he was taught there was that homosexuality was an abomination. Something punishable by an eternity in hell. Richard believes that and has said so many times. Consider that when he was 14 he was forced to leave home by his father. Why? Because his father suspected he was gay. Yes, you did read that right. His own father thought he was gay as early as 14. Point blank. Bisexual men DO NOT exhibit the over-the-top flamboyancy Richard was known for. Only GAY men behave that way. Not bisexuals. Richard was behaving that way long before he had a musical career so it had nothing to do with a persona either.

For another example of how the church taught him that everything he was was sinful, consider the fact that he several times renounced rock and roll as the "devil's music" and quit performing it at the height of his fame. Remember, he WAS rock and roll, and here he was condemning it. Why? Answer. Because the poison of religious dogma was in his bloodstream. Now ask yourself, if he can decry his own music, could he not do the same with his own sexuality? Before you answer that, remember that Richard himself has said "I used to be gay." Not "I used to be bisexual", but "I used to be gay". Well, let me tell you something. The only people who still talk about homosexuality as something you can leave behind are Christian fundamentalists. Homosexuality is not a choice. Richard's homosexuality was obvious to everyone from an early age so it was obviously in his DNA from the start.

Finally, let me say that if Richard were bisexual, given his religious brainwashing, he would not have found it so hard to resist the temptation of men. He would have merely looked at men, but taken his sexual pleasure from women, in much the same way as a married man may be attracted to other women but can still be faithful. The fact that Richard was willing to risk damanation over and over again by sleeping with men shows just how powerful his lust for dick was. If he were bisexual he would not have gone against his beliefs so readily.


Damn...And I was just going to put up a post about how I've realized that Richard isn't the "originator" he claims to be musically.


Oh no, go ahead and say who was the real originator. lol biggrin
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Reply #35 posted 09/29/07 3:35pm

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Timmy84 said:

PAPAROBBIE said:



Damn...And I was just going to put up a post about how I've realized that Richard isn't the "originator" he claims to be musically.


Oh no, go ahead and say who was the real originator. lol biggrin

The real originator is....
LOUIS JORDAN


Louis Jordan (July 8, 1908 – February 4, 1975) was a pioneering American jazz, blues and rhythm & blues musician and songwriter who enjoyed his greatest popularity from the late 1930s to the early 1950s. Known as The King of the Jukebox, Jordan was highly popular with both black and white audiences in the later years of the swing era. In 2004, Rolling Stone Magazine ranked him #59 on their list of the 100 Greatest Artists of All Time
Jordan was one of the most successful African-American musicians of the 20th century, ranking fifth in the list of the all-time most successful black recording artists according to Billboard Magazine's chart methodology. Though comprehensive sales figures are not available, he scored at least four million-selling hits during his career. Jordan regularly topped the R&B "race" charts, and was one of the first black recording artists to achieve a significant "crossover" in popularity into the mainstream (predominantly white) American audience, scoring simultaneous Top Ten hits on the white pop charts on several occasions. After Duke Ellington and Count Basie, Louis Jordan was probably the most popular and successful black bandleader of his day. But in contrast to almost all of his colleagues of all races, he was a major personality in his own right, an all-round entertainer of enormous and diverse accomplishments.

Jordan was a talented singer with great comedic flair, and he fronted his own band for more than twenty years. He duetted with some of the biggest solo singing stars of his day, including Bing Crosby and Ella Fitzgerald. Jordan was also an actor and a major black film personality, appearing in dozens of "soundies" (promotional film clips), making numerous cameos in mainstream features and short films, and starring in two musical feature films made especially for him. He was an instrumentalist who specialised in the alto saxophone but played all forms of the instrument, as well as piano and clarinet. A productive songwriter, many of the songs he wrote or co-wrote became influential classics of 20th-century popular music.

Although Jordan began his career in big band swing jazz in the 1930s, he became famous as one of the leading practitioners, innovators and popularisers of "jump blues", a swinging, up-tempo, dance-oriented hybrid of jazz, blues and boogie-woogie. Typically performed by smaller bands (typically five or six players), jump music featured shouted, highly syncopated vocals and earthy, comedic lyrics on contemporary urban themes. It strongly emphasized the rhythm section of piano, bass and drums; after the mid-1940s, this mix was often augmented by electric guitar. Jordan's band also pioneered the use of electronic organ.

With his dynamic Tympany Five bands, Jordan mapped out the main parameters of the classic R&B, urban blues and early rock'n'roll genres with a series of hugely influential 78 rpm discs for the Decca label. These recordings presaged many of the styles of black popular music in the 1950s and 1960s, and exerted a huge influence on many leading performers in these genres. Many of his records were produced by Milt Gabler, who went on to refine and develop the qualities of Jordan's recordings in his later production work with Bill Haley, including "Rock Around The Clock".
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[Edited 9/29/07 15:38pm]
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Reply #36 posted 09/29/07 4:14pm

Timmy84

PAPAROBBIE said:

Timmy84 said:



Oh no, go ahead and say who was the real originator. lol biggrin

The real originator is....
LOUIS JORDAN


Louis Jordan (July 8, 1908 – February 4, 1975) was a pioneering American jazz, blues and rhythm & blues musician and songwriter who enjoyed his greatest popularity from the late 1930s to the early 1950s. Known as The King of the Jukebox, Jordan was highly popular with both black and white audiences in the later years of the swing era. In 2004, Rolling Stone Magazine ranked him #59 on their list of the 100 Greatest Artists of All Time
Jordan was one of the most successful African-American musicians of the 20th century, ranking fifth in the list of the all-time most successful black recording artists according to Billboard Magazine's chart methodology. Though comprehensive sales figures are not available, he scored at least four million-selling hits during his career. Jordan regularly topped the R&B "race" charts, and was one of the first black recording artists to achieve a significant "crossover" in popularity into the mainstream (predominantly white) American audience, scoring simultaneous Top Ten hits on the white pop charts on several occasions. After Duke Ellington and Count Basie, Louis Jordan was probably the most popular and successful black bandleader of his day. But in contrast to almost all of his colleagues of all races, he was a major personality in his own right, an all-round entertainer of enormous and diverse accomplishments.

Jordan was a talented singer with great comedic flair, and he fronted his own band for more than twenty years. He duetted with some of the biggest solo singing stars of his day, including Bing Crosby and Ella Fitzgerald. Jordan was also an actor and a major black film personality, appearing in dozens of "soundies" (promotional film clips), making numerous cameos in mainstream features and short films, and starring in two musical feature films made especially for him. He was an instrumentalist who specialised in the alto saxophone but played all forms of the instrument, as well as piano and clarinet. A productive songwriter, many of the songs he wrote or co-wrote became influential classics of 20th-century popular music.

Although Jordan began his career in big band swing jazz in the 1930s, he became famous as one of the leading practitioners, innovators and popularisers of "jump blues", a swinging, up-tempo, dance-oriented hybrid of jazz, blues and boogie-woogie. Typically performed by smaller bands (typically five or six players), jump music featured shouted, highly syncopated vocals and earthy, comedic lyrics on contemporary urban themes. It strongly emphasized the rhythm section of piano, bass and drums; after the mid-1940s, this mix was often augmented by electric guitar. Jordan's band also pioneered the use of electronic organ.

With his dynamic Tympany Five bands, Jordan mapped out the main parameters of the classic R&B, urban blues and early rock'n'roll genres with a series of hugely influential 78 rpm discs for the Decca label. These recordings presaged many of the styles of black popular music in the 1950s and 1960s, and exerted a huge influence on many leading performers in these genres. Many of his records were produced by Milt Gabler, who went on to refine and develop the qualities of Jordan's recordings in his later production work with Bill Haley, including "Rock Around The Clock".
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I agree! I love "Saturday Night Fish Fry" by the way. That song's still ahead of its time. music

We was rockin'
We was rockin'
We was rockin' and rollin' and shoutin' 'til the break of dawn...


Without Louis Jordan, there is nothing. smile
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Reply #37 posted 09/29/07 9:01pm

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midnightmover said:

Now. Richard. The first thing you dullards need to understand is Richard comes from a strict Baptist family and spent his whole life in the church. This is not a small detail. It is absolutely fundamental. What he was taught there was that homosexuality was an abomination. Something punishable by an eternity in hell. Richard believes that and has said so many times. Consider that when he was 14 he was forced to leave home by his father. Why? Because his father suspected he was gay. Yes, you did read that right. His own father thought he was gay as early as 14. Point blank. Bisexual men DO NOT exhibit the over-the-top flamboyancy Richard was known for. Only GAY men behave that way. Not bisexuals. Richard was behaving that way long before he had a musical career so it had nothing to do with a persona either.

For another example of how the church taught him that everything he was was sinful, consider the fact that he several times renounced rock and roll as the "devil's music" and quit performing it at the height of his fame. Remember, he WAS rock and roll, and here he was condemning it. Why? Answer. Because the poison of religious dogma was in his bloodstream. Now ask yourself, if he can decry his own music, could he not do the same with his own sexuality? Before you answer that, remember that Richard himself has said "I used to be gay." Not "I used to be bisexual", but "I used to be gay". Well, let me tell you something. The only people who still talk about homosexuality as something you can leave behind are Christian fundamentalists. Homosexuality is not a choice. Richard's homosexuality was obvious to everyone from an early age so it was obviously in his DNA from the start.

Finally, let me say that if Richard were bisexual, given his religious brainwashing, he would not have found it so hard to resist the temptation of men. He would have merely looked at men, but taken his sexual pleasure from women, in much the same way as a married man may be attracted to other women but can still be faithful. The fact that Richard was willing to risk damnation over and over again by sleeping with men shows just how powerful his lust for dick was. If he were bisexual he would not have gone against his beliefs so readily.
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Awesome points. An objective analysis of Jackson's inconsistencies and "quirks" can lead one to draw similar conclusions.
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Reply #38 posted 10/04/07 5:10pm

StarMon

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lol

"Buddy Holly and I were good friends. One time we were playing at the Paramount Theatre and Buddy came into my dressing room while I was jacking off with Angel sucking my titty. Well, she was doing that to me and Buddy took out his thing. He was ready, so she opened up her legs and he put it in her. He was having sex with Angel, I was jacking off, and Angel was sucking me when they introduced his name on stage! He finished and went to the stage still fastening himself up. I’ll never forget that. He came and he went!"


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Reply #39 posted 10/04/07 5:23pm

Timmy84

StarMon said:

lol

"Buddy Holly and I were good friends. One time we were playing at the Paramount Theatre and Buddy came into my dressing room while I was jacking off with Angel sucking my titty. Well, she was doing that to me and Buddy took out his thing. He was ready, so she opened up her legs and he put it in her. He was having sex with Angel, I was jacking off, and Angel was sucking me when they introduced his name on stage! He finished and went to the stage still fastening himself up. I’ll never forget that. He came and he went!"


—Little Richard, 1984


WTF!?! falloff
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Reply #40 posted 10/04/07 11:46pm

meow85

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StarMon said:

lol

"Buddy Holly and I were good friends. One time we were playing at the Paramount Theatre and Buddy came into my dressing room while I was jacking off with Angel sucking my titty. Well, she was doing that to me and Buddy took out his thing. He was ready, so she opened up her legs and he put it in her. He was having sex with Angel, I was jacking off, and Angel was sucking me when they introduced his name on stage! He finished and went to the stage still fastening himself up. I’ll never forget that. He came and he went!"


—Little Richard, 1984

WTF? lol
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Reply #41 posted 10/05/07 5:56am

vainandy

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StarMon said:

lol

"Buddy Holly and I were good friends. One time we were playing at the Paramount Theatre and Buddy came into my dressing room while I was jacking off with Angel sucking my titty. Well, she was doing that to me and Buddy took out his thing. He was ready, so she opened up her legs and he put it in her. He was having sex with Angel, I was jacking off, and Angel was sucking me when they introduced his name on stage! He finished and went to the stage still fastening himself up. I’ll never forget that. He came and he went!"


—Little Richard, 1984


Oh, I love it! Sounds like one of my old escapades back in my closet days. lol
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Reply #42 posted 10/05/07 6:49am

TheWifey

midnight mover: so you don't believe mj is hopelessly in love with his nanny and having ynbridled sexual pleasure and planning to marry her >laugh out loud<

i don't think mj is gay, i think he has issues with women because his mother was a siant and his father and brothers meseed with nasty women so he was confused. im told he slept with a fan once-had sex with her and he leers at some of them.

richard is gay not bi, gay,gay,gay. he was a freak.
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Reply #43 posted 10/05/07 6:52am

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TheWifey said:

midnight mover: so you don't believe mj is hopelessly in love with his nanny and having ynbridled sexual pleasure and planning to marry her >laugh out loud<

i don't think mj is gay, i think he has issues with women because his mother was a siant and his father and brothers meseed with nasty women so he was confused. im told he slept with a fan once-had sex with her and he leers at some of them.

richard is gay not bi, gay,gay,gay. he was a freak.


I'm straight too.
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Reply #44 posted 10/05/07 8:44am

Timmy84

vainandy said:



I'm straight too.


lol
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