I know we all tend to put the blame on the artists at this point, mainly new ones for the lack of good songs, but we should put the blame where it belongs, the songwriters (if they can be called that) and the Producers/Beatmakers at this point, since they are the real creators of what we tend to hate.

lastdecember said:

Don't blame the posters for shitting on garbage threads, blame the threadstarter for creating them
[Edited 9/25/07 22:16pm]

qvgangsta18 said:

Whatever, but tell me why the new Duran Duran album is going to SUCK, hmmm maybe the shit producers they used, JT,Timbaland and Danja. Case Closed

But the artists have the right to not accept the bullshit songs handed to them so I still blame the artists.

lastdecember said:

If it sucks it sucks, why do you care, aren't you just a person who works at a record store, STACK THOSE RECORDS AND PRAY YOUR STORE DOESN'T CLOSE DOWN.

And i have never heard a Duran Duran LP a day in my life, so it won't matter

vainandy said:

Co-sign.

qvgangsta18 said:

Do your research better, i was an a partner to a buyer who had to pretend that this SHIT music was worth money, i quit long before it closed mainly because MUSIC has nothing to do with MUSIC anymore. Oh and just a side note, by 2010 they will all be closed, included the music departments in big box stores, get ready for changes.

vainandy said:

Agreed when its a veteran artist like a Duran Duran or someone who has been around. But someone like a Rihanna or Lloyd etc...they are puppets they have no choice outside of do it, or have no job.

lastdecember said:

Sorry, They aren't Artist, They're singers.

lazycrockett said:

Ok dont blame the singers. Its like if you go see a SHITTY movie, i never hear anyone say, damn that Wesley Snipes cant act, no they say whoever wrote that shit sucks, so blame the source of music too.

Everyone is part of the problem here. There should be enough quality control that even if a song isn't so good, maybe the singer can pull off a great performance to make it worth a little more.

That's why the country market is such a godsend these days. Great tunes, great arrangements, great musicians, great singers. Most pop and rock music is just downright embarrassing these days.

what if said artist is the one writing the music etc?

This is why I mostly blame the artist. And the fact that the artist does not have integrity, creativity, skills, education, an ear or whatever to not record a crap record.

Definitely blame the "artists". Van Hunt, Nikka Costa,India Arie, Donnie, Kem can make music on their own terms, but then there are so many talentless fakers out there ...
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vainandy said:

I completely agree that it's the artists fault. If they can not write their own songs and settle for shit they don't like, then they're just being greedy and it's no one's fault but their own.

CoolTarik1 said:

yeah and besides India they are all broke and get no air play...

lastdecember said:

I only blame people who buy and support crap music...

There are always been crap producers and songwriters since day one. But Seems that people had better taste back in a day...

People are the reason why Mainstream Music sucks...

guitarslinger44 said:

The reason why country market is more healthy than other genres is because it reaches an audience that doesn't use that much new technology. ..

People who buy country are white and WELL above 30 year old...

Rnb, hip hop and pop reach a younger audience that is used to new technology and internet...

Don't try to bring quality ...
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krayzie said:

There are plenty of people above 30 who know how to use technology. It's true that there isn't much downloading going on in the country market, but I don't think it's because the people don't know how to do it.

That and the public who buys it are of all ages. The audiences I play for in country bars are mostly younger people.

I like pop and hip hop music a lot, but mos of it isn't stuff i'd actually spend money on because the quality of it is questionable. Not to say I won't listen to it, but buying it is a whole different story. Just my 2 cents.
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guitarslinger44 said:

The thing is depending on your audience age thats where you can tell the difference in downloading. What sells well and steady, artists with a fan base over 30 mainly, people arent downloading (illegally) the new Tony Bennet or Manilow or Reba, also Disney stuff sells and always will, why? Because parents buy it for their kids or the kids are just too young to bother with downloading. Your downloading (illegal) will come from where there is questionable music and talent from an audience that could care less about who the artist is, because their shelf life will be about a month.

If the artist is going to take the money, the glory, and the groupies for performing such trash, he can take the blame too.

He sure doesn't have any problem taking credit for turning in a great record even though he also had squat to do with it.

This is in the unlikely event that lots of people consider it a great record, true, but it happens. Justin Timberlake has critical respect, and gets full credit for his stuff even though he's hardly a one-man show.

Blame the labels for signing "artists" that cannot write or produce their own music!

lilgish said:

Yeah but that will never happen, labels have signed mostly artists that dont write and produce since the beginning days (its a myth that labels look for artists that can do it all, they dont want you to do it all) mainly so it can showcase their own writers and producers that are on the labels payroll.

vainandy said:

I know...the artists have the right to refuse a song or not. Sometimes the artist have a hand in the writing and makings of the song also

MikeMatronik said:

I know, Innocence is my jaym UUGH.....UGH.....UUUGH!!

It's just according to how desperate or greedy an unknown artist is. If an artist truly loves making music with a passion, they would turn the bullshit songs down and continue playing clubs or wherever until they can get a deal on their own terms. If you sell out from the very beginning, your reputation will be ruined forever even if you started making good music in the future after you became an established artist.

If I were an artist, the only way I would sell out is if I were so broke that I was about to become homeless. Otherwise, I would continue doing my own thing until I got to do the music I wanted to do. And if I never got a record deal, then I just would have never gotten one. At least my name wouldn't be ruined.

vainandy said:

I wish more artists thought this way.

badujunkie said:

Huh. I don't know, I haven't heard anything about them being broke, just having crap label support; which is because they don't push the songs, they rather push drum beats 15 year olds could make.

guitarslinger44 said:

Ok seems we have a problem here...

I repeat again... The core audience of country music is WHITE and WELL over 30...

Country music is for white people what gospel is for black people... Black people who buy gospel are WELL above 30...

People who support and buy country music are WELL ABOVE 30...

Maybe the people in your bars are young, but the OVERRAlL, the core audience is ALRGELY above 30...

People above 30 don't use internet like the young generation.

guitarslinger44 said:

Good for you...

But saddly, nobody thinks like you,
If "quality" (and the term quality is VERY subjective) could stop illegal downloading and bootlegging, the Music industry would have fixed the problem a long time ago...