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Thread started 09/06/07 3:15pm

VinaBlue

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Another Underappreciated Prince of R&B: Prince Be

http://www.huffingtonpost...62171.html


The long, brilliant career of the artist known as Prince brings to mind one of the very few artists in the 1990s whose fusion of disparate styles is similarly impressive, and whose best work can stand up to his: the group P.M. Dawn, whose lead rapper and singer is appropriately named Prince Be. P.M. Dawn's biggest hit, "Set Adrift on Memory Bliss," is about the way that memories fade, whether we want them to or not. Now, as the summer recedes into a purple sunset, it's a good time to remember just how good they were.

The late 1980s and early 1990s were for rap music what the late 1960s were for rock. Bands from De La Soul to the Beastie Boys to NWA were pushing hip-hop beyond all conceivable limits and tracing the future direction for its sound for the next twenty years. In those heady days, P.M. Dawn occupied the western border of hip-hop and R&B opposite Boyz II Men and New Jack soul. Long before Cee-Lo (of Goodie Mob and Gnarls Barkley) or Andre 3000 (of Outkast) gave up rapping for singing, Prince Be sang hooks and alternated sung and rapped verses, while his brother DJ Minute Mix sampled artists from Spandau Ballet to the Beatles in psychedelic, sunny, new age beats.

Unlike Prince, no matter what artist they covered or genre they sampled, P.M. Dawn's sound was always its own. The lyrics were meditations in a major key about memory, knowledge, love, and identity -- in other words, like nothing else that anyone considered rap. But the beats were danceable, the harmonies were gorgeous, and for a brief moment they topped the charts with crossover appeal. However, because of their pop leanings, they suffered the fate of many early 90's rap stars (think of MC Hammer, Vanilla Ice, and a host of other novelty acts with no street credibility), and fell unjustly into obscurity.

The first Prince managed to spread his influence through legions of proteges, associates, and collaborators, like Sheila E., Wendy and Lisa, Morris Day, Appollonia, Vanity 6, and even Chaka Khan. P.M. Dawn's legion of imitators was much less sprawling, but hardly less noteworthy. They emerged in the midst of a fertile alt-rap landscape, along with De La Soul, Arrested Development, Digable Planets, and A Tribe Called Quest -- all seminal acts in their own right -- and their sonic footprint can be heard in the work of their peers, both rappers and neo-soul singers.

P.M. Dawn's first album, 1991's stunning Of the Heart, Of the Soul, and Of the Cross, showed their genre-defying sound in full blossom; subsequent albums didn't offer new ideas so much as hone the tone they'd already created. Sadly, this happened as their popularity dropped, and their new albums, all beautiful, fell on few ears. The longer P.M. Dawn stayed around, the fewer of their peers remained: Digable Planets broke up in '95; Arrested Development in '96; Tribe in '98. Over the years, while P.M. Dawn continued to refine their sound, they stood increasingly alone musically and lyrically. The promise of the early 1990s as a time of ethnic uncertainty and cultural fusion gave way by the end of the decade to familiar retrenchment. P.M. Dawn's joyous combination of new age, new wave, and old school soul, which was once ahead of its time, became anachronistic, a coulda been for a musical future that never was.

In the end, the world wasn't quite ready to give a lasting embrace to a rap group whose philosophical muse was closer to Woodstock than to gangsta, and that's too bad. Even in the late 1960s, when tastes and genre distinctions were less intractable, there were only a few African-American artists who managed to span the breach between soul and rock, music that captured audiences of all races and colors. They were genuine hippies, geniuses in multiracial bands, like Arthur Lee of Love, and, of course, Jimi Hendrix.

In the years since then, despite the co-option of rap and soul by Top 40 radio and svengalis of all shapes and sizes, the number of African-Americans in rock music hasn't substantially increased. So perhaps it's not exactly surprising that Prince Be and his brother ended up alone. But they deserve better. Now that the millenium's actually come, it's time to give them a new chance at the smiling dawn their music heralded. They're one of the best acts of the 1990s, just as the other Prince is one of the best acts of the 1980s and 1990s. It's time to give them their due.
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Reply #1 posted 09/06/07 3:47pm

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PM Dawn in one word - Wack. Nuff said on those clowns.
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Reply #2 posted 09/06/07 4:45pm

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I love this band! PM Dawn was a breath of fresh air and the music still sounds as fresh as the day it was made.

Give them another chance? You can say that about a lot of artists but this is a nice plug.

People don't know what they don't know, y'know? Can't save 'em all...
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Reply #3 posted 09/06/07 5:04pm

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They should have a new album coming out this year... wink

And they have been doing shows...

http://www.myspace.com/pmdawn


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[Edited 9/6/07 17:05pm]
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Reply #4 posted 09/06/07 5:33pm

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VINA!!!! excited wave

How's it going, girl?!?
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Reply #5 posted 09/06/07 5:58pm

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Lammastide said:

VINA!!!! excited wave

How's it going, girl?!?



hug Pretty good... Life got too hectic to hang out here anymore for a while... wink Nice to see you!
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Reply #6 posted 09/06/07 6:04pm

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Slave2daGroove said:

I love this band! PM Dawn was a breath of fresh air and the music still sounds as fresh as the day it was made.

Give them another chance? You can say that about a lot of artists but this is a nice plug.

People don't know what they don't know, y'know? Can't save 'em all...


Their music is very unique, I just love it. I don't think anyone can do what Be does with harmonies. So much imagination, so blissful and beautiful. He will always be a huge inspiration to me.
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Reply #7 posted 09/06/07 8:10pm

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VinaBlue said:

Slave2daGroove said:

I love this band! PM Dawn was a breath of fresh air and the music still sounds as fresh as the day it was made.

Give them another chance? You can say that about a lot of artists but this is a nice plug.

People don't know what they don't know, y'know? Can't save 'em all...


Their music is very unique, I just love it. I don't think anyone can do what Be does with harmonies. So much imagination, so blissful and beautiful. He will always be a huge inspiration to me.




as your music will inspire others!! nod
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Reply #8 posted 09/06/07 8:23pm

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CHIC0 said:


as your music will inspire others!! nod


kisses Thanks, Chico... hug
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Reply #9 posted 09/06/07 8:33pm

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VinaBlue said:

CHIC0 said:


as your music will inspire others!! nod


kisses Thanks, Chico... hug



i should correct that... you music HAS/DOES inspire others.


i'm not the biggest P.M. Dawn fan, but i do like some of their productions for other artists. i.e. Jody Watley's "When A Man Loves A Woman" and that one guy who i told you was a PM Dawn rip off and you pointed out to me who produced it.. lol
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Reply #10 posted 09/06/07 9:31pm

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CHIC0 said:

that one guy who i told you was a PM Dawn rip off and you pointed out to me who produced it.. lol


confuse Who?
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Reply #11 posted 09/06/07 10:12pm

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Long time ago when they were first getting started and stuff, I didn't understand. Although U COULD NOT ESCAPE hearing "Set Adrift.." in New York ghettos everywhere. I just knew that they were unique and everytime I would look at them I just knew there was so much deepness in2 the music...being 10 @ the time though I wasn't too much in2 that.

That damn song has been sampled so many times its rediculous, even the Backstreet Boys remade that on "Backstreets Back". I dont own any of the albums though, they have their stamp in that timeframe of music, and help set out for the soulaquarians that came along. They may have been bigger hence 1997 and up. Ahead of their time.
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Reply #12 posted 09/07/07 9:28am

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wow eek thanks for this
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Reply #13 posted 09/07/07 4:12pm

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Set Adrift On Memory Bliss
http://www.youtube.com/wa...BfAhee_xGE

I'm Just a Human Being (PM Dawn parody)
http://www.youtube.com/wa...KhYoeC-X-Q
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Reply #14 posted 09/07/07 4:39pm

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TonyVanDam said:


I'm Just a Human Being (PM Dawn parody)
http://www.youtube.com/wa...KhYoeC-X-Q



clapping Thanks! biggrin I haven't seen that in a looooong time... Funny shit.

Here is Be singing a duet with Boy George:
http://www.youtube.com/wa...EPo7nh4jo4

And a performance on MTV's Spring Break in 92
http://www.youtube.com/wa...LJRrFkiJug
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Reply #15 posted 09/10/07 6:01am

jonylawson

i LOVE pm dawn..jesus wept is just such a perfect album
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Reply #16 posted 09/10/07 8:14am

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another group that imitated pm dawn's style was blessid union of souls. If u listen 2 their 1st album it's kind of like the lead singer was trying 2 imitate Prince Be.

does anyone have their album that was only released on their website? it came out after dear christian i'm sorry ...?
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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L4OATheOriginal said:


does anyone have their album that was only released on their website? it came out after dear christian i'm sorry ...?


Yeah, now he only gives it out to people he knows or feels comfortable with. I think he's just trying to avoid people bootlegging it. He has specifically asked his fans NOT to copy it for anyone. Sometimes they (PM Dawn) sell it at their shows...

He does have plans to release an edited version of the album. If you register over at http://www.pmdawnonline.com/forum you can access a forum dedicated to F*cked Music for more info/ history about the cd.
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Reply #18 posted 09/10/07 7:52pm

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Love PM Dawn - thanks Vina for bringing this up. Jesus Wept is my favorite. I have to admit, I need to give "Dearest Christian..." a serious listen (although I've had it 5 years... neutral ) It's quite different from the sound that gave them hits in the early 90s. Is anyone here a major fan of that album?
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VinaBlue said:

L4OATheOriginal said:


does anyone have their album that was only released on their website? it came out after dear christian i'm sorry ...?


Yeah, now he only gives it out to people he knows or feels comfortable with. I think he's just trying to avoid people bootlegging it. He has specifically asked his fans NOT to copy it for anyone. Sometimes they sell it at their shows...

He does have plans to release an edited version of the album. If you register over at http://www.pmdawnonline.com/forum you can access a forum dedicated to F*cked Music.
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if my memory is correct, wasn't it a double album? and edited version can't b good then
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #20 posted 09/10/07 10:23pm

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L4OATheOriginal said:

VinaBlue said:



Yeah, now he only gives it out to people he knows or feels comfortable with. I think he's just trying to avoid people bootlegging it. He has specifically asked his fans NOT to copy it for anyone. Sometimes they sell it at their shows...

He does have plans to release an edited version of the album. If you register over at http://www.pmdawnonline.com/forum you can access a forum dedicated to F*cked Music.
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if my memory is correct, wasn't it a double album? and edited version can't b good then


The second disc was just unreleased tracks from their entire career. Great stuff. I think he just wants to remove a song or two so it's not so dark. It's even more depressing than Dearest Christian. You can hear so much pain in his vocal melodies, lyrics and some of the chord progressions...

Or maybe I'm just stoned
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Reply #21 posted 09/10/07 10:32pm

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fms said:

Love PM Dawn - thanks Vina for bringing this up. Jesus Wept is my favorite. I have to admit, I need to give "Dearest Christian..." a serious listen (although I've had it 5 years... neutral ) It's quite different from the sound that gave them hits in the early 90s. Is anyone here a major fan of that album?


wave Hi fms! I luuuuuv PM Dawn! My Own Personal Gravity has got to be one of my very favorite PM Dawn songs. Dearest Christian has some pretty groovy tracks on it as well, but I must admit, it took a while to grow on me. I used to skip around on it a lot and mostly listen to the more electronic songs. The last track, Untitled is a freaken masterpiece.
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Reply #22 posted 09/10/07 10:34pm

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VinaBlue said:

They should have a new album coming out this year... wink

And they have been doing shows...

http://www.myspace.com/pmdawn




It's fair to say KRS-One will not be invited? biggrin biggrin
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Reply #23 posted 09/10/07 10:38pm

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Najee said:




It's fair to say KRS-One will not be invited? biggrin biggrin



LOL... There is a video about their truce on their website... Go to http://www.pmdawn.net/ind...&Itemid=46 and click on Other Videos.

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Reply #24 posted 09/21/07 11:30am

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So....how is the Royal B these days?
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Reply #25 posted 09/21/07 4:49pm

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fms said:

Love PM Dawn - thanks Vina for bringing this up. Jesus Wept is my favorite. I have to admit, I need to give "Dearest Christian..." a serious listen (although I've had it 5 years... neutral ) It's quite different from the sound that gave them hits in the early 90s. Is anyone here a major fan of that album?


Jesus Wept sure is a perfect album, a bit like Meshell's Comfort Woman. I have "Dearest Christian" got it for $1 but somehow I've never listened to it. biggrin
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