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A ? 4 VainAndy..(sombody orgnote him if you see it first) Do you ever seek out NEW MUSIC that ISN'T played on the radio or TV? I had to ask because..although I share your dissappointment with the quailty of the "top 10" these days...and I know you care about music (cuz you wouldn't base your org life on said premise if you didn't)...I take it as a slight against the creativity of my generation (much as you would if someone attacked your golden years...soundtrack-wise) Honestly, I get the feeling that your outlook is limited...and if you love music like I do, I feel bad that your in the dark about where "good, honest, living, breathing" music has moved to...
I'm talkin about indie labels, indie artists, alternative groups and acts, the underground scene (pick a genre).... if not you may be surpirsed at what's come outin the last few years that you've never heard...or never sat down and listened to... | |
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lol....i know this was directed at a particular orger, but i thought someone might chime in until he found it....i guess funkenstein was right...if aint about micheal or britney it gets no play over here..  | |
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He's already answered this before.
The answer is YES, and he'll say NO MATTER WHERE YOU LOOK, THERE AIN'T NO FUNK LIKE THERE USED TO BE. And he's right. | |
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VoicesCarry said: He's already answered this before.
The answer is YES, and he'll say NO MATTER WHERE YOU LOOK, THERE AIN'T NO FUNK LIKE THERE USED TO BE. And he's right. oh come on...there never will be, (nor should there be) funk like it USED to be...I love the barkays like anyone else but you guys start to sound like grumpy old men.. "you focus on the past/ ya ass'll be a has-what"-dre "ice cold" now that you mention it....this does sound like the response i should expect from him...even if he hasn't heard EVERYTHING there is to hear.. whatever...just curious | |
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SirPsycho said: VoicesCarry said: He's already answered this before.
The answer is YES, and he'll say NO MATTER WHERE YOU LOOK, THERE AIN'T NO FUNK LIKE THERE USED TO BE. And he's right. oh come on...there never will be, (nor should there be) funk like it USED to be... Even you admit it 
There should be, however. He likes the old shit, you like the new shit. Suddenly he's a "grumpy old man"? [Edited 9/19/07 14:16pm] | |
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VoicesCarry said: SirPsycho said: oh come on...there never will be, (nor should there be) funk like it USED to be... Even you admit it
There should be, however. He likes the old shit, you like the new shit. Suddenly he's a "grumpy old man"? [Edited 9/19/07 14:16pm] i love the old shit and can appreciate the new shit, as well as, recogize that today's "noize" is tomorrows "rock & roll...rap" (you get the picture)....a new movement will always be the horizon and i feel you cheat yourself as an artist and as an art lover when you start to get high and mighty and start making claims to what true art is...i refuse to allow myself to think I can't learn something from my "younger cousins".... and HELL NO there shouldn't be....why should ANY art (be it sonic or not) step backwards....that's retarded... | |
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thanks for engaging in the debate by the way  | |
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SirPsycho said: i love the old shit and can appreciate the new shit, as well as, recogize that today's "noize" is tomorrows "rock & roll...rap" (you get the picture)....a new movement will always be the horizon and i feel you cheat yourself as an artist and as an art lover when you start to get high and mighty and start making claims to what true art is...i refuse to allow myself to think I can't learn something from my "younger cousins".... Um, I wasn't talking art. I was talking about what I like. And I don't like the new shit. and HELL NO there shouldn't be....why should ANY art (be it sonic or not) step backwards....that's retarded... In your opinion. In my opinion, it would be a return to good music. The end. [Edited 9/19/07 14:41pm] | |
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music always has it's slump before the revival....I guess all disco was the shit huh...I mean, even SWING got over populated and played out...but I bet you could hear Miles warmin up somewhere... | |
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VoicesCarry said: SirPsycho said: i love the old shit and can appreciate the new shit, as well as, recogize that today's "noize" is tomorrows "rock & roll...rap" (you get the picture)....a new movement will always be the horizon and i feel you cheat yourself as an artist and as an art lover when you start to get high and mighty and start making claims to what true art is...i refuse to allow myself to think I can't learn something from my "younger cousins".... Um, I wasn't talking art. I was talking about what I like. And I don't like the new shit. and HELL NO there shouldn't be....why should ANY art (be it sonic or not) step backwards....that's retarded... In your opinion. In my opinion, it would be a return to good music. The end. [Edited 9/19/07 14:41pm] lmao....okay...i see we're done here...thanks anyway | |
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SirPsycho said: Do you ever seek out NEW MUSIC that ISN'T played on the radio or TV? I had to ask because..although I share your dissappointment with the quailty of the "top 10" these days...and I know you care about music (cuz you wouldn't base your org life on said premise if you didn't)...I take it as a slight against the creativity of my generation (much as you would if someone attacked your golden years...soundtrack-wise) Honestly, I get the feeling that your outlook is limited...and if you love music like I do, I feel bad that your in the dark about where "good, honest, living, breathing" music has moved to...
I'm talkin about indie labels, indie artists, alternative groups and acts, the underground scene (pick a genre).... if not you may be surpirsed at what's come outin the last few years that you've never heard...or never sat down and listened to... 
...Look here you young whipper-snapper. 
Some of us have the ability to appreciate music before our own "golden years" as well as after. It's not when something was recorded (5 minutes or 5 decades ago). It's whether or not it touches something in you or not. Regarding NEW & FUNKY...  
...2 present day albums that satisfy both criteria. tA  Tribal Disorder
http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431 "Ya see, we're not interested in what you know...but what you are willing to learn. C'mon y'all." | |
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I guess I'm a "grumpy old man" too because I think most of today's music sucks I feel blessed that I grew up in the 70s,when we had so much amazing music. | |
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SirPsycho said: Do you ever seek out NEW MUSIC that ISN'T played on the radio or TV? I had to ask because..although I share your dissappointment with the quailty of the "top 10" these days...and I know you care about music (cuz you wouldn't base your org life on said premise if you didn't)...I take it as a slight against the creativity of my generation (much as you would if someone attacked your golden years...soundtrack-wise) Honestly, I get the feeling that your outlook is limited...and if you love music like I do, I feel bad that your in the dark about where "good, honest, living, breathing" music has moved to...
I'm talkin about indie labels, indie artists, alternative groups and acts, the underground scene (pick a genre).... if not you may be surpirsed at what's come outin the last few years that you've never heard...or never sat down and listened to... In the entire decade of the 1990s, the only thing I listened to was new music that was underground and wasn't played on the radio. During the early 1990s, I was in the black gay clubs every weekend and the only thing they played was some of the baddest house music I ever heard in my life. The majority of this music was never played on the radio because R&B stations at that time were into the new jack scene and shit hop was just starting to emerge shortly after that. Once shit hop starting taking over more and more of the radio, I noticed the black gay clubs started playing less and less house music and more and more shit hop. At that time, I started going to the white gay clubs. They were playing their own version of house music but it was a more acid sounding, techno, trance, or whatever the hell it's called. It kinda resembled the stuff on Madonna's "Confessions of a Dance Floor" album. It's not really the kind of music I like but it was tolerable. Then the white gay clubs started playing more and more shit hop. That's when I absolutely said "fuck it, it's just hopeless". Yes, I've looked for good music that's not played on the radio. Yeah, there's plenty of new music out there but it's not good music. My idea of good music is some sort of dance music whether it be funk, disco, house, or any other type of music that is made for the dance floor. I don't give a damn about the "neo soul" music or whatever it's called these days. It has to be something dance related. My first love was disco and everything I have listened to since it's death has been something that was able to replace it on the dance floor. Funk during the early 1980s was very danceable like disco was. House music came along after funk and was the new dance floor music. Where the hell is the new dance floor music these days? No, I don't give a damn about all the artsy/fartsy shit that may be underground that you can just bob your head to. I want something you can shake ass to. Every generation has had some form of dance music. Hell, even in the 1940s, they had The Andrew Sisters with "Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy of Company B". What the hell is today's generation's problem? And before you go listing some uptempo songs that are underground, if they have any shit hop influence in them whatsoever, I don't want to hear them. I have grown to absolutely despise shit hop in even the smallest doses because it has absolutely ruined any hope of us ever getting back on track again. I want something uptempo and 100% pure and free of any shit hop influence whatsoever. I could type paragraph after paragraph trying to explain but my best explanation can be summed up in one sentence.....There may be a ton of underground music that YOU may think is good, but if it's not something you can shake ass to, ANDY don't think it's good.....it's that simple. . . . [Edited 9/20/07 2:47am] Andy is a four letter word. | |
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VoicesCarry said:
He's already answered this before. I sure have. And I have anwered it over and over and OVER again. But someone always wants to ask me the question or make the statement....."There's plenty of good music out there but you have to look for it".....as if I haven't looked already. The answer is YES, and he'll say NO MATTER WHERE YOU LOOK, THERE AIN'T NO FUNK LIKE THERE USED TO BE. And he's right.
Or not even just funk. A better description would be something danceable. I understand that times change and so do styles in music. I'm open for a new genre of music made for the dance floor. But there's nothing made for the dance floor anymore. Absolutely nothing. Everything is either slow or midtempo. Fuck that shit. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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SirPsycho said:
and HELL NO there shouldn't be....why should ANY art (be it sonic or not) step backwards....that's retarded... I'm not wanting anything to step backwards. All I want music to do is change and move forward. We have not had style change in R&B over 15 years. Shit hop has dominated that long. A change is long overdue. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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SirPsycho said: music always has it's slump before the revival....I guess all disco was the shit huh...I mean, even SWING got over populated and played out...but I bet you could hear Miles warmin up somewhere... Exactly. Everything in the past has done it's time and moved on. What's shit hop's problem? Why won't it move on? Andy is a four letter word. | |
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theAudience said:
...Look here you young whipper-snapper.
Some of us have the ability to appreciate music before our own "golden years" as well as after. It's not when something was recorded (5 minutes or 5 decades ago). It's whether or not it touches something in you or not. I've heard that "grumpy old man" arguement so many times from young people trying to excuse and justify their music by saying...."every older generation hated the newer generation's music"....That's not true at all. My mother loved a lot of my generation's music. Her teenage years were in the 60s and she continued partying throughout the 70s and 80s. She wasn't an older person in a club full of youngsters either. Everyone in the clubs were her age and they were partying to the latest music at the time. That's because music was ever changing but it was still good and it was still "music". People in their 40s don't party to the latest music any more. My mother never said that music was shit until the 1990s and she was in her 50s. I started bitching about music when I was in my early 20s when shit hop was taking over. Someone in their early 20s doesn't sound like someone old to me. Actually, to be exact, I first started bitching about music a few years earlier when I was 17.....when Shitney Houston first came out. Of course, like Yogi Bear used to say....."I'm smarter than the average bear". Andy is a four letter word. | |
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SoulAlive said: I guess I'm a "grumpy old man" too because I think most of today's music sucks I feel blessed that I grew up in the 70s,when we had so much amazing music.The funny thing is, when we get older, they are going to have to make vibrating walkers and wheelchairs for us because our generation grew up on music where you just couldn't sit still. Even if we are confined to a bed, as long as we can turn over on our side, we will still be shaking ass in the bed if at all possible. In the meantime, the younger generation that comes to visit us will leave the nursing homes worn out and out of breath because they aren't used to such a workout because they grew up on all this slow shit. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: In the entire decade of the 1990s, the only thing I listened to was new music that was underground and wasn't played on the radio. During the early 1990s, I was in the black gay clubs every weekend and the only thing they played was some of the baddest house music I ever heard in my life. The majority of this music was never played on the radio because R&B stations at that time were into the new jack scene and shit hop was just starting to emerge shortly after that. Once shit hop starting taking over more and more of the radio, I noticed the black gay clubs started playing less and less house music and more and more shit hop. At that time, I started going to the white gay clubs. They were playing their own version of house music but it was a more acid sounding, techno, trance, or whatever the hell it's called. It kinda resembled the stuff on Madonna's "Confessions of a Dance Floor" album. It's not really the kind of music I like but it was tolerable. Then the white gay clubs started playing more and more shit hop. That's when I absolutely said "fuck it, it's just hopeless". Yes, I've looked for good music that's not played on the radio. Yeah, there's plenty of new music out there but it's not good music. My idea of good music is some sort of dance music whether it be funk, disco, house, or any other type of music that is made for the dance floor. I don't give a damn about the "neo soul" music or whatever it's called these days. It has to be something dance related. My first love was disco and everything I have listened to since it's death has been something that was able to replace it on the dance floor. Funk during the early 1980s was very danceable like disco was. House music came along after funk and was the new dance floor music. Where the hell is the new dance floor music these days? No, I don't give a damn about all the artsy/fartsy shit that may be underground that you can just bob your head to. I want something you can shake ass to. Every generation has had some form of dance music. Hell, even in the 1940s, they had The Andrew Sisters with "Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy of Company B". What the hell is today's generation's problem? And before you go listing some uptempo songs that are underground, if they have any shit hop influence in them whatsoever, I don't want to hear them. I have grown to absolutely despise shit hop in even the smallest doses because it has absolutely ruined any hope of us ever getting back on track again. I want something uptempo and 100% pure and free of any shit hop influence whatsoever. I could type paragraph after paragraph trying to explain but my best explanation can be summed up in one sentence.....There may be a ton of underground music that YOU may think is good, but if it's not something you can shake ass to, ANDY don't think it's good.....it's that simple. . . . [Edited 9/20/07 2:47am] So what do you think of the new "Justice"-album? http://www.youtube.com/wa...o_QVq2lGMs See the man with the blue guitar, maybe one day he`ll be a star... | |
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vainandy said: I could type paragraph after paragraph trying to explain but my best explanation can be summed up in one sentence.....There may be a ton of underground music that YOU may think is good, but if it's not something you can shake ass to, ANDY don't think it's good.....it's that simple.
okay...i guess all debates on art must end at a difference in opinion. i can respect your discontent with music that doesn't inspire you to move...but i think you should've wrote "if ANDY can't shake his ass to it, ANDY don't think it's good"...unless you claim to posses the "deciding" ass which was my initial issue (and perhaps an assumption) vainandy said: Exactly. Everything in the past has done it's time and moved on. What's shit hop's problem? Why won't it move on? and signs of evolution in hip-hop and post hip-hop-club are being seen. There is movement, but you've expressed (everywhere..lol) your intolerance for anything remotely associated with hip hop {i do recall you saying you liked a few early groups however...again cuz you could dance to em} so I won't name artists... 
in conclusion, i'm sorry hip-hop kicked in the door and fucked up your party life (or at least put a damper on it) but some did continue to dance and still are... i do appreciate you taking the time to restate your opinion since I missed the other times, however...and sorry about the death in your family. thanx | |
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