prettymansson said:

If I remember correctly,this album (released in 1975) bombed big time and the guys angrily left Motown,signing to Epic where they were paired with producers Gamble and Huff.It seems that,after their early 70s hits,Motown didn't treat them like a priority anymore.

prettymansson said:

Joyful Jukebox Music was actually released in 1976 after the brother had already left Motown It actually came out aweek or two before their CBS debut appeared in stores. It was no singles or even promtion for this release it just appeared. This album included shelced tracks the brothers had recored including their last track ever recored for Motown "We're Gonna Change Our Style"


Motown would do this throughout the years releasing "Boogie" right after Destiny hit stores. The first singles for Destiny was titled "Blame it on the Boogie," so this was to confusse fans.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Motown was always trying to sabotage the Jacksons after they left them. They even decided to release One Day In your Life during the success of Off The Wall. Ironically, One Day in YOur Life became Michael's first solo, nr 1 in the UK. He probably didn't even get any royalties from it.

whatsgoingon said:

They did the same with Thriller. Remember "Fairwell My Summer Love"?

"Forever, Michael" is an incredible album. I've always considered it the first real Michael Jackson album (not OTW.)

"Dapper Dan" is a sweet jam.

ProgRocker said:

You know he had three other solo joints before Forever Michael?

ProgRocker said:

You know he had three other solo joints before Forever Michael?

Here is the list:

The Jacksons > Joyful Jukebox Music
Destiny > Boogie
Off The Wall > One Day In Your Life
Thriller/Victory > Farewell My Summer Love
Bad > Looking Back At Yesterday and The Original Soul Of Michael Jackson
HIStory > Pre History, Soulsation, and Michael Jackson Anthology
The 2001 Reissues > The J5 reissues
Invincible > Love Songs

whatsgoingon said:

yes

bboy87 said:

Does Michael Jackson own any Jackson 5 materials? Does he get any loyalties from these Motown releases?

So...if Michael Jackson comes out with a new solo album, I bet Motown (like you said) is going to release something from its vault as well.

Rodya24 said:

Michael Jackson, or no other Jackson for that matter, owns any of the rights to The Jackson 5 material. Hell, they don't even own the name The Jackson 5!

Anyone who read the Magic and the Madness can back me up on this, too: Papa Joe signed a pretty bad deal at Motown. For each album they sold, the band made, if I'm not mistaken, $0.06 per album to split six ways (including Joe). (I might need to double check that number, but it's not more than $0.10 per album). Epic signed to a contract that guaranteed them about $1.00 and more per album, again to split six ways.

What I never understand was when Mike was going around buying everyone's music catalogue, how come he didn't try to buy his own. That's some valuable stuff! Or maybe he tried to and Motown wouldn't sell...I don't know.
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Lovesexy82 said:

That is too bad.

At least Michael Jackson (I think) owns The Jacksons material. BTW, do you know if albums like Destiny and Triumph are going to be remastered anytime soon?

Rodya24 said:

Michael Jackson, or no other Jackson for that matter, owns any of the rights to The Jackson 5 material. Hell, they don't even own the name The Jackson 5!

Anyone who read the Magic and the Madness can back me up on this, too: Papa Joe signed a pretty bad deal at Motown. For each album they sold, the band made, if I'm not mistaken, $0.06 per album to split six ways (including Joe). (I might need to double check that number, but it's not more than $0.10 per album). Epic signed to a contract that guaranteed them about $1.00 and more per album, again to split six ways.

What I never understand was when Mike was going around buying everyone's music catalogue, how come he didn't try to buy his own. That's some valuable stuff! Or maybe he tried to and Motown wouldn't sell...I don't know.
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Rodya24 said:

Michael Jackson, or no other Jackson for that matter, owns any of the rights to The Jackson 5 material. Hell, they don't even own the name The Jackson 5!

Anyone who read the Magic and the Madness can back me up on this, too: Papa Joe signed a pretty bad deal at Motown. For each album they sold, the band made, if I'm not mistaken, $0.06 per album to split six ways (including Joe). (I might need to double check that number, but it's not more than $0.10 per album). Epic signed to a contract that guaranteed them about $1.00 and more per album, again to split six ways.

What I never understand was when Mike was going around buying everyone's music catalogue, how come he didn't try to buy his own. That's some valuable stuff! Or maybe he tried to and Motown wouldn't sell...I don't know.
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[Edited 9/21/07 7:58am]

Here is the list:

The Jacksons > Joyful Jukebox Music
Destiny > Boogie
Off The Wall > One Day In Your Life
Thriller/Victory > Farewell My Summer Love
Bad > Looking Back At Yesterday and The Original Soul Of Michael Jackson
HIStory > Pre History, Soulsation, and Michael Jackson Anthology
The 2001 Reissues > The J5 reissues
Invincible > Love Songs

Lovesexy82 said:

That's the reason Michael held a grudge towards Motown and Berry Gordy for awhile. They settled in 1980 which the family didn't get royalties for anything released before 1976. Michael made it clear after that situation that he wanted control on his work. He also tried to buy Jobete publishing back in 1988 or 1989 but for $200 million? nah
Michael also renotiagated his contract in 1991 that he would get ownership of his master recordings after his contract expired. He'll get the master recordings in the next couple of years, if he hasn't already.


Remastered editions of the Jacksons' albums are on the top of my list too!

Lovesexy82 said:

That's the reason Michael held a grudge towards Motown and Berry Gordy for awhile. They settled in 1980 which the family didn't get royalties for anything released before 1976. Michael made it clear after that situation that he wanted control on his work. He also tried to buy Jobete publishing back in 1988 or 1989 but for $200 million? nah
Michael also renotiagated his contract in 1991 that he would get ownership of his master recordings after his contract expired. He'll get the master recordings in the next couple of years, if he hasn't already.


Remastered editions of the Jacksons' albums are on the top of my list too!

bboy87 said:

I thought that was the case, but I wasn't sure. While Berry Gordy was a visionary, he was a shady businessman. On top of the pittance he gave artists for their album sales, he also did things like charge them for studio time for songs that he never released! As far as I know there are HUNDREDS of Unreleased Jackson 5 tracks in that vault.

Lovesexy82 said:

Think about this:

From 1969 to 1975, The Jackson 5 recorded over 469 songs, and that's not including alternate versions and takes.
Motown was also very disorganized also. There was an article about the old detroit building having tapes and papers just lying around just before it was demolished. Fortunately, someone got to the stuff and saved it from being destroyed

bboy87 said:

Why is Motown still around?

Rodya24 said:

Because Universal is really Motown. Motown only has a hand full of artists now. They haven't been big since the early 90s.

daPrettyman said:

Makes sense.

Rodya24 said:

I read an interview with Brian McKnight (around the time when his latest album came out). He stated he was so frustrated with Motown because they didn't properly promote his last 3 albums with them. That's when he signed with WB (which I don't think is smart because they don't have a goog urban marketing department either).

prettymansson said:

This was re-issued on hip-o select's site with the album "Boogie".


From Hip-o Select's Website:

With the release of this collection, the Jackson 5 album catalog on CD is finally complete. Two hard-to-find albums return, with a bonus track to boot!


After the J5’s explosive success at Motown, the group left to join Epic Records in 1975. When their new label debuted The Jacksons, Motown did what any smart label would: issue tracks from the vaults. Joyful Jukebox Music came out in 1976. The bulk of Joyful’s tracks were cut in 1972-1973, around the Skywriter and Get It Together sessions.



In 1979, the Jacksons jumped back into the Top 10 with Destiny, just as Michael was beginning his ascent to solo super-stardom with Off TheWall. Motown again dipped into its archive and issued Boogie on its Natural Resources label. J5 fans were ecstatic - the seven unreleased tracks weren’t throwaways, but great finds. It was only out in the market for a very brief window before being withdrawn.



This disc closes with a previously unheard, uncut version of “Hum Along And Dance.” Originally an 8:36 album track from Get It Together, “Hum” has been restored to its original near-15 minute length.



Both Boogie and Joyful Jukebox Music have long been highly sought by collectors, and we’re elated to have them available for the first time on CD. No mere sweeping of the dusty corners of the vaults, this.


Track List:
Disc 01
1. Joyful Jukebox Music
2. Window Shopping
3. You're My Best Friend, My Love
4. Love Is The Thing You Need
5. The Eternal Light
6. Pride And Joy
7. Through Thick And Thin
8. We're Here To Entertain You
9. Make Tonight All Mine
10. We're Gonna Change Our Style
11. Love's Gone Bad
12. I Ain't Gonna Eat My Heart Out Anymore
13. ABC
14. I Was Made To Love Her
15. One Day I'll Marry You
16. Never Can Say Goodbye
17. Oh, I've Been Bless'd
18. Penny Arcade
19. Just Because I Love You
20. Dancing Machine
21. Hum Along And Dance (Uncut) [previously unreleased]
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