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Reply #60 posted 06/22/03 11:28am

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TEENA MARIE hands down!!! I believe that other white singers may have soulful voices, but Lady Tee is definitely a soul singer. "Out on a Limb", "Portuguese Love", "Cassanova Brown", "Fire and Desire"...those titles just evoke emotion out of me! Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinions, but I would say Teena is the epitomy of Blue Eyed Soul! (She's better than many black soul singers as well, especially in regard to lyrical ability, vocal range, craftsmanship, talent, musicianship and longevity!!!)

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Your correct there are not many female RnB singers around today that can compare to Teena Marie. To hear people rant and rave about a Mary J. Blige when someone like Teena Maria is around is bizzare.
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Reply #61 posted 06/22/03 11:56am

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laurarichardson said:

The1AndOnlyAndTheOnly1 said:

TEENA MARIE hands down!!! I believe that other white singers may have soulful voices, but Lady Tee is definitely a soul singer. "Out on a Limb", "Portuguese Love", "Cassanova Brown", "Fire and Desire"...those titles just evoke emotion out of me! Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinions, but I would say Teena is the epitomy of Blue Eyed Soul! (She's better than many black soul singers as well, especially in regard to lyrical ability, vocal range, craftsmanship, talent, musicianship and longevity!!!)

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Your correct there are not many female RnB singers around today that can compare to Teena Marie. To hear people rant and rave about a Mary J. Blige when someone like Teena Maria is around is bizzare.


Both ladies are different and both brought something new to the table. Teena Marie is a trained vocalist while Mary J Blige is NOT. Mary J Blige is considered 2 be the female Bobby Womack(vocaly) both have the same raspy thang going on but both deliever pre4mances with raw emotions & depth enough to wipe Mariah, Whitney & Celine. You have to witness MJB 2 know exactly what I'm talking about.

As 4 the thread's question?

Teena Marie all day and night nod Who could go wrong with "Fire & Desire" and "Mr.Gaye"? love
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Reply #62 posted 06/22/03 3:03pm

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Annie who? Lennox? Is she kin to Lennox Lewis? biggrin

Seriously...without a doubt TEENA is a soul singer. Why? Everything she has done has been all about soul & R&B music. She got the "R&B treatment" from her label, too. Annie has a great voice, but is not a soul singer. Everybody black grew up around that one white family in the neighborhood who went through the same things as we did. Sang in the Baptist church choir then went to the candy lady on Sunday after church. That's where Teena is with "US". We FEEL Teena when she's singing "Fire and Desire" and when she sang "M-O-N-E-Y neva did a thing for L-O-V-I-N"; she FEELS the same way as our sistas do when she sings and conveys that same emotion. She draws from the same pains as Lauryn and Whitney and Mary. Just like Whitney had to deal with Bobby, Teena had to deal with Rick James...that couldn't have been easy. Teena is DOWN. Annie? Not so much. Jon B. is down too, in my book.
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Reply #63 posted 06/22/03 3:07pm

Harlepolis

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[color=blue:a0ce14f400:2eb0830264]Annie who? Lennox? Is she kin to Lennox Lewis? biggrin

Seriously...without a doubt TEENA is a soul singer. Why? Everything she has done has been all about soul & R&B music. She got the "R&B treatment" from her label, too. Annie has a great voice, but is not a soul singer. Everybody black grew up around that one white family in the neighborhood who went through the same things as we did. Sang in the Baptist church choir then went to the candy lady on Sunday after church. That's where Teena is with "US". We FEEL Teena when she's singing "Fire and Desire" and when she sang "M-O-N-E-Y neva did a thing for L-O-V-I-N"; she FEELS the same way as our sistas do when she sings and conveys that same emotion. She draws from the same pains as Lauryn and Whitney and Mary. Just like Whitney had to deal with Bobby, Teena had to deal with Rick James...that couldn't have been easy. Teena is DOWN. Annie? Not so much. Jon B. is down too, in my book.


Call me a bluff but what went down between the 2 of 'em(Rick & Teena) beside being musical due partners?
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Reply #64 posted 06/22/03 4:09pm

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Harlepolis said:


Call me a bluff but what went down between the 2 of 'em(Rick & Teena) beside being musical due partners?



ahem..."Fire and Desire". Rick was "producing" Teena for a LONG time. wink
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Reply #65 posted 06/22/03 8:06pm

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Vanessa Williams
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Reply #66 posted 06/22/03 8:11pm

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Vanessa Williams




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Reply #67 posted 06/24/03 3:15am

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laurarichardson said:

Cloudbuster said:

If we're talking white female soul singers then Kate Bush wipes the floor with all of them.

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Please leave the crack alone. Teena Marie is a real soul singer. Not Kate Bush or Anna Lennox. No one looks at Kate or Annie as soul singers.


Really?

Concerning Kate, she's had props for her soulful voice from the likes of Prince, Maxwell, Stevie Wonder, Tricky, Seal, John Lee Hooker, Terence Trent D'Arby, Lee "Scratch" Perry, B.B. King & Lenny Kravitz among others.

Put down your own crack pipe and do your homework.
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Reply #68 posted 06/24/03 9:59am

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Michael McDonald should be at or near the top of the list. He's got the best voice of any white soul crooner I've ever heard. I was listening to NPR today and they were playing songs from his new LP of Motown covers. That man can SANG.

I'd also co-sign on Teena Marie.

There are a lot of good white R and B acts, but as far as true SOUL acts, I think of those and few others.
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Reply #69 posted 06/24/03 10:02am

namepeace

BlaqueKnight said:

[color=blue:a0ce14f400:017b9b94bf]Annie who? Lennox? Is she kin to Lennox Lewis? biggrin

Seriously...without a doubt TEENA is a soul singer. Why? Everything she has done has been all about soul & R&B music. She got the "R&B treatment" from her label, too. Annie has a great voice, but is not a soul singer. Everybody black grew up around that one white family in the neighborhood who went through the same things as we did. Sang in the Baptist church choir then went to the candy lady on Sunday after church. That's where Teena is with "US". We FEEL Teena when she's singing "Fire and Desire" and when she sang "M-O-N-E-Y neva did a thing for L-O-V-I-N"; she FEELS the same way as our sistas do when she sings and conveys that same emotion. She draws from the same pains as Lauryn and Whitney and Mary. Just like Whitney had to deal with Bobby, Teena had to deal with Rick James...that couldn't have been easy. Teena is DOWN. Annie? Not so much. Jon B. is down too, in my book.


Absolute co-sign on that. Annie Lenox is a great singer, but Teena Marie "sangs." Period.
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Reply #70 posted 06/24/03 11:00am

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TEENA MARIE is thee absolute tops nutty
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Reply #71 posted 06/24/03 11:03am

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I wanna add John B. and Tom Jones.

btw, does anyone know whether Phoebe Snow is black or white? This has been one of my personal 7 wonders of the world for ages.
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Reply #72 posted 06/24/03 11:18am

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Bobby Caldwell... period!
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Reply #73 posted 06/24/03 11:30am

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laurarichardson said:

Cloudbuster said:

If we're talking white female soul singers then Kate Bush wipes the floor with all of them.

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Please leave the crack alone. Teena Marie is a real soul singer. Not Kate Bush or Anna Lennox. No one looks at Kate or Annie as soul singers.



Word nod I'm still trippin that people trying to sell them as soul singers.
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Reply #74 posted 06/24/03 1:25pm

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Bobby Caldwell... period!


Bobby Caldwell is white! What, what, WHAT!?!? omg
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Reply #75 posted 06/24/03 1:26pm

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UptownDeb said:

I wanna add John B. and Tom Jones.

btw, does anyone know whether Phoebe Snow is black or white? This has been one of my personal 7 wonders of the world for ages.

I believe she's black or biracial not sure though, I've always thought she was black.
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Reply #76 posted 06/24/03 1:31pm

UptownDeb

butterfli25 said:

UptownDeb said:

I wanna add John B. and Tom Jones.

btw, does anyone know whether Phoebe Snow is black or white? This has been one of my personal 7 wonders of the world for ages.

I believe she's black or biracial not sure though, I've always thought she was black.


Vicki Sue Robinson used to confuse me like that too!
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Reply #77 posted 06/24/03 2:26pm

laurarichardso
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Cloudbuster said:

laurarichardson said:

Cloudbuster said:

If we're talking white female soul singers then Kate Bush wipes the floor with all of them.

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Please leave the crack alone. Teena Marie is a real soul singer. Not Kate Bush or Anna Lennox. No one looks at Kate or Annie as soul singers.


Really?

Concerning Kate, she's had props for her soulful voice from the likes of Prince, Maxwell, Stevie Wonder, Tricky, Seal, John Lee Hooker, Terence Trent D'Arby, Lee "Scratch" Perry, B.B. King & Lenny Kravitz among others.

Put down your own crack pipe and do your homework.

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So because other artist have covered her songs and given her props that makes her a soul singer ???

I am sure I know a lot more about soul music than you do.
Don't let me pull out my list of great soul singers and embarrass the hell of you. If you think Kate Bush is a soul singer you don't know jack shit about soul music and you do need to check into NA for the crack use(LOL)
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Reply #78 posted 06/24/03 2:33pm

Chico319

omg boxed
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Reply #79 posted 06/24/03 2:33pm

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I LOVE Teena & Kate equally!!
Kate technically doesn't do soul music,so in that way she is NOT a "soul singer" like Aretha or Chaka,but at the same time,her singing can be described as "soulful",ok?

I don't know if you can understand what I'm saying,but it makes sense to me lol
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Reply #80 posted 06/24/03 3:08pm

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JANIS JOPLIN!!!
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Reply #81 posted 06/24/03 3:49pm

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UptownDeb said:

intha916 said:

Bobby Caldwell... period!


Bobby Caldwell is white! What, what, WHAT!?!? omg


lol I can feel your shock. I remember back in the day he would have album covers where you would never see his face. I was as shocked as you when I finally found out he was a white dude. Pretty much proves my case for him being at the top of the list of white male soul singers.
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Reply #82 posted 06/24/03 5:17pm

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UptownDeb said:



btw, does anyone know whether Phoebe Snow is black or white? This has been one of my personal 7 wonders of the world for ages.



Phoebe was on a late night show years ago and the host (it may have been Merv Griffin) said that he always thought she was a black singer. She and her background singers (one of whom was Luther Vandross!) fell out laughing and she said to him. "No, I'm not a black singer." It was really funny because what she meant was that she was a SINGER and not to be catagorized by race. I later found out that she was born Phoebe Laub in Teaneck New Jersey and took her name from the train called the Phoebe Snow. Laub is, I believe, generally considered a Jewish surname, but you'll have to do more research if that isn't enough. BTW, I was a HUGE fan back in the day and remain one today.
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Reply #83 posted 06/24/03 5:33pm

Janfriend

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Vanessa Williams

LMAFAO
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Reply #84 posted 06/24/03 5:40pm

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i'll tell ya who's better?!


MICHAEL 'FUCKING BALDY' BOLTON!!!

'ohhh baby, i, i, i, wannabe your soul provider'
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Reply #85 posted 06/24/03 11:27pm

Chico319

milty said:

i'll tell ya who's better?!


MICHAEL 'FUCKING BALDY' BOLTON!!!

'ohhh baby, i, i, i, wannabe your soul provider'



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Reply #86 posted 06/25/03 2:30am

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laurarichardson said:

Cloudbuster said:

laurarichardson said:

Cloudbuster said:

If we're talking white female soul singers then Kate Bush wipes the floor with all of them.

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Please leave the crack alone. Teena Marie is a real soul singer. Not Kate Bush or Anna Lennox. No one looks at Kate or Annie as soul singers.


Really?

Concerning Kate, she's had props for her soulful voice from the likes of Prince, Maxwell, Stevie Wonder, Tricky, Seal, John Lee Hooker, Terence Trent D'Arby, Lee "Scratch" Perry, B.B. King & Lenny Kravitz among others.

Put down your own crack pipe and do your homework.

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So because other artist have covered her songs and given her props that makes her a soul singer ???

I am sure I know a lot more about soul music than you do.
Don't let me pull out my list of great soul singers and embarrass the hell of you. If you think Kate Bush is a soul singer you don't know jack shit about soul music and you do need to check into NA for the crack use(LOL)


Soul basically means to believe in what you are singing. In that respect Kate Bush is "soulful".

Soulful 1 having or expressing or evoking deep feeling. 2 over-emotional.
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Reply #87 posted 06/25/03 2:32am

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gypsyfire said:

I LOVE Teena & Kate equally!!
Kate technically doesn't do soul music,so in that way she is NOT a "soul singer" like Aretha or Chaka,but at the same time,her singing can be described as "soulful",ok?

I don't know if you can understand what I'm saying,but it makes sense to me lol


Thank you.
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Reply #88 posted 06/25/03 6:57am

UptownDeb

gypsyfire said:

I LOVE Teena & Kate equally!!
Kate technically doesn't do soul music,so in that way she is NOT a "soul singer" like Aretha or Chaka,but at the same time,her singing can be described as "soulful",ok?

I don't know if you can understand what I'm saying,but it makes sense to me lol


I think I get it. I wanted to know The Doobie Brothers Michael McDonald would be considered blue eyed soul; if not, I guess one could argue that he sings with soul.
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Reply #89 posted 06/25/03 8:45am

Harlepolis

I may not be soo deep about Phoebe's racial backround but one than 4 sure, that woman ain't white at all:



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