SoulAlive said:

Co-sign.

6sixx6 said:

These ladies are completely disposable.That's why you don't see too many people asking about new music from them Mya's been around for what....a decade now,and has failed to make any kind of lasting impact.

SoulAlive said:

I need to be more upfront. This is why I stated that this is the only place I see people checking for Mya. I don't know anyone who thinks about or misses Mya but of course I don't know everyone.

I also never thought she was that attractive. She's okay but I guess she falls into the category of what a lot people like. I think these could very well be her last days.

SoulAlive said:

Well you could throw almost every RB female/Male into that category. The thing is i dont see many people asking for anyones music period.

JackieBlue said:

The thing is alot of RB females could fall into that trap. Look at Kelly Rowland, i mean i watched the posts on this board and every post about her was really about who hates beyonce more, no one was digging Kelly they were hating on Beyonce. The thing is i dont see anyone asking for anyones music at this point, you really have to go to artists personal site to get any news. To me there are about 4-5 people in music right now that are jammed down peoples throats 24/7 and the rest, well its up to whoever likes them to find them.

SoulAlive said:

I can barely name 3 songs by Mya. Her output is definitely forgottable. She already hit her peak. It's a wrap for her.

Some of these artists should be dropped for good. Make room for people that can’t get a label deal or signed artists that get no promotion.

PurpleCharm said:

Ok buts lets also throw in Keyshia Cole,Ciara,Kelly Rowland,Christina Milian,Ashanti, all of the neo-soul ladies etc..

lastdecember said:

I'd put a lot of the blame on these so called producers of today. Not very impressive. The basic formula and weak writing is killing the music.

JackieBlue said:

Exactly.

It's hard for me to give a damn about Amerie and Mya's label woes when there are artists out there that are 10x's better than both of them that are getting shafted. Amerie and Mya both had their 15 minutes of fame...some will never get that opportunity because of the way the industry is.

mya has zero charisma...just looking at her bores me...even in Chicago.

now Res...that's somebody i can get worked up about. damn you geffin.

lastdecember said:

Completely wrong...

And you're VERY late...

His album has officially sold more than 500,000 units on Soundscan.

Considering he's an average r&b singer with no talent whatsover, that's pretty amazing.
[Edited 9/7/07 7:59am]

krayzie said:

Well what i checked has him certified Gold and 298,000 sold to date. But this isnt a debate about who can sell and who cant its how Labels do their business. Motown is a garbage label at this point, corrupt, and is run by people that have no clue about anything, they cant even do re-issues properly. I wouldnt even say Lloyd is an average singer, i put him in that carbon-copy rb male group with Omarion and Marques Houston etc,,,,

PurpleCharm said:

Well that debate can go on for ages. I mean a-Ha cant get their album released in America and yet bands like Keane,Snow Patrol,Coldplay and Radiohead who totally ripped off their acoustic sound reap rewards for it in this country. So the debate about labels, who they push who they drop etc..The point is chooose your own battles, i think everyone should just leave their labels and put their shit out on their own and everyone who likes them than can follow them. We can debate all day that Van Hunt should be pushed and not Thicke or Jaguar Wright should be getting Beyonce time, but its a useless debate. Now i would take Amerie and Mya in a sceond over Beyonce or Ciara or Rihanna, why? they are more interesting in my opinion. Rihanna is nothing but a "covers" singer and Ciara is nothing more than Aaliayh's ghost at this point.

lastdecember said:

I agree with the bolded part. I don't know if Tamia was dropped or not from her old label, but I know she released her most recent album on her own label. Supposedly, the album has sold about 500,000 copies. I don't know if that's true or not, but if it is, that's very decent for an independent release. She has a edge that most unknown artists don't have as far as funding goes because she has a rich husband, but with viral marketing anything is possible.

lastdecember said:

Don't know why it's so hard to understand. Again there's NO room for third rate artist like her. This is over.

Motown won't release her new album unless there's a hit behind.

This is how it is, Music has changed. The Music industry is 10x more competitive right now for r&b artists.

And a lot of singers are in the same situation...

krayzie said:

There is no competition anywhere in Music right now. And any competition there is, is because everyone in "mainstream" RB/POP/Rock/Rap are all the same, theres no difference between anyone at this point. Everyone packages themselves the same. To use the word competition in todays enviroment is a slap to what came before. This is why that whole 50cent, Kayne thing was a joke. Fake competition, nothing but HYPE over releases that have nothing to them. To me competition would be the 80's with Madonna,prince,MJ,Janet,george michael and others all putting out DIFFERENT music on a steady basis, that is competition. lloyd and Omarion and Chris Brown is not competition because they are all doing the same lame songs.

PurpleCharm said:

It also helps that Tamia can actually sing and she has decent songs that don't suffer from "producer of the day" syndrome.

I think the main difference between a Beyonce and the rest of the pack (Ciara, Amerie, Maya) is the fact that there is actual vocal ability behind the flashy stage shows and super choreographed videos. If she had to just stay in one spot, dressed in a business suit and rely on just her voice and her songs, I think she'd fare a lot better than the others.

The thing is that any of these artists could make just as much and sell just as much on their own as they could with a label. I talked to two artists based out in LA, one is Candice Pillay and the other is Miss Issa, both of them released cds this year through their own sites and labels, neither "charted" but they have sold between 50-150,000 copies to date. Now in soundscan terms thats a BOMB but they are selling them for 10bucks a pop, and it costs almost nothing to press and do the artwork so they are making more than people with label deals. Which is why you will see people like Ciara or Rihanna having to do endorsements,magazine shoots etc.. its because there music makes no $$ at all. One of the reasons Amerie's record didnt get put out in the states was that Sony here used up all its $$ this year and basically had no money to promote, so they licensed it overseas and to date worldwide its sold 250,000, may not seem like a lot to anyone, but those markets are more loyal than the usa, and there are WAY more outlets there to promote yourself, unlike here where there is nothing.

just a further note to show MOTOWN has no clue on anything, they sent out emails to Mya's official fan site and members telling about the online premier of the video on 9/9, and the morons premiered the video today? Can they do anything right?
[Edited 9/8/07 2:24am]

sosgemini said:

Res is real cool. i like her album but i was tad disapointed she didnt really write or produce it. the way they made her look was like this one woman show who wrote and produced. "Santi White" wrote the bulk of res's album.she served as the projects executive producer.

lastdecember said:

damn dude, i think you might be too emotionally invested in this stuff.

PurpleCharm said:

Exactly.Nobody remembers her songs at all.I can barely name more than one song by her.These ladies seriously need to do something different.I'm not a huge fan of Rhianna,but her latest single "Shut Up and Drive" isn't half-bad.At least it dares to take her out of the R&B comfort zone that so many others are trapped in.

sosgemini said:

He could be the president of the Mya fan club,the Cassie fan club,and the Nicole from Pussycat Dolls fan club

SoulAlive said:

Rihanna's album is a pop album, not an R&B album. And Europop at that.

VoicesCarry said:

Maybe that's the direction that many of these other female R&B artists need to pursue.It might breathe new life into their fading careers.

VoicesCarry said:

Maybe that's the direction that many of these other female R&B artists need to pursue.It might breathe new life into their fading careers.

SoulAlive said:

Rihanna's smarter than the rest since she figured out that no one else is selling records in the US, so you need to go pop to appeal to the rest of the world. Pink figured this out, too.

VoicesCarry said: